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Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 16 2013 23:08 GMT
#9981
On July 17 2013 08:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

Translation: My god please bring us all your tips that he was racist, so we can review them and all still not bring a case. Please make sure you send every one, because we are only going to do this once.


Didn't the FBI kind of do an investigation and find that there was no racist motives to this or anything?

Or am I thinking of something else?
dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
July 16 2013 23:10 GMT
#9982
On July 17 2013 08:08 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:07 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

Translation: My god please bring us all your tips that he was racist, so we can review them and all still not bring a case. Please make sure you send every one, because we are only going to do this once.


Didn't the FBI kind of do an investigation and find that there was no racist motives to this or anything?

Or am I thinking of something else?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/little_document_pursues_zimmerman_uAQjdqGhtH6RVcBFemuPyK
Aint got time to bleed
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
July 16 2013 23:11 GMT
#9983
On July 17 2013 07:57 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.

Even if that is true, what more can be done? Convict an innocent man?

1. The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free.
2. Outrage.
3. The police do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free.
4. Outrage.

Legitimate anger, perhaps, but now misdirected and purposeless. Unless new evidence suddenly appears from nowhere a future conviction would be a fiasco after such a lengthy trial.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 16 2013 23:12 GMT
#9984
On July 17 2013 08:08 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:07 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

Translation: My god please bring us all your tips that he was racist, so we can review them and all still not bring a case. Please make sure you send every one, because we are only going to do this once.


Didn't the FBI kind of do an investigation and find that there was no racist motives to this or anything?

Or am I thinking of something else?

Yes, but the FBI wasn't headed by a black man said "we will do everything we can for the black community". This is a whole bunch of politics and theater.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
July 16 2013 23:13 GMT
#9985
On July 17 2013 07:57 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.

I didn't pay much attention at the start but how did the police bungle the case?
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
July 16 2013 23:16 GMT
#9986
On July 17 2013 08:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:08 Fruscainte wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:07 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

Translation: My god please bring us all your tips that he was racist, so we can review them and all still not bring a case. Please make sure you send every one, because we are only going to do this once.


Didn't the FBI kind of do an investigation and find that there was no racist motives to this or anything?

Or am I thinking of something else?

Yes, but the FBI wasn't headed by a black man said "we will do everything we can for the black community". This is a whole bunch of politics and theater.


What's worse is that mob mentality not only got this to become a case in the first place but now they feel like justice wasn't served even though it was. So now mob mentality is going to force the DOJ to do something that it shouldn't be doing. Funny how justice being served only means him going to jail. Sorry, those 6 people decided what justice was, and they decided it was GZ being a free man. Mob mentality is turning this country into a circus.
Arkitek
Profile Joined January 2012
United States51 Posts
July 16 2013 23:20 GMT
#9987
http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-zimmerman-wins-florida-state-lottery,33139/ he won the lottery? wtf.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 23:22:32
July 16 2013 23:21 GMT
#9988
On July 17 2013 07:57 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.


Watch the video, the lawyer actually cover the topic well.

8:55 is what you would be interested in imo
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 23:21 GMT
#9989
On July 17 2013 08:10 dotHead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:08 Fruscainte wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:07 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

Translation: My god please bring us all your tips that he was racist, so we can review them and all still not bring a case. Please make sure you send every one, because we are only going to do this once.


Didn't the FBI kind of do an investigation and find that there was no racist motives to this or anything?

Or am I thinking of something else?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/little_document_pursues_zimmerman_uAQjdqGhtH6RVcBFemuPyK

thats only the serino affidavit if im reading it correctly. they did a full investigation and found nothing.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/65574-obama-holder-blocked-by-fbi-investigation-shows-zimmerman-not-racist/
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 16 2013 23:22 GMT
#9990
On July 17 2013 07:57 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.


Ah, yes, the "institutional racism" of a Police department that knew Zimmerman thought they weren't very good at their job (which, with the handling of the physical evidence, Zimmerman had a point), knew he was Hispanic and a local activist and took a man with a bleeding head to the station to interview rather than the hospital.

Yes, that local police department. If the local department had been trying to railroad Zimmerman, people might have a point. But since almost no evidence came up from later parts of the investigation that wasn't impeached, it's as it has been since the beginning.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 23:22 GMT
#9991
On July 17 2013 08:20 Arkitek wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-zimmerman-wins-florida-state-lottery,33139/ he won the lottery? wtf.

lol. onion.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 16 2013 23:27 GMT
#9992
On July 17 2013 07:57 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.

How exactly did the police bungle the case so much? The investigator even recommended manslaughter so that the investigation would continue, they gathered all the evidence they could, but it really looked like self defense. If it was a white on white crime and they didn't charge him, this outrage wouldn't exist. It was not because of improper police work. I can't recall a single big mistake from the police, there were issues like improper conditioning of the evidence, but nothing really huge.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
July 16 2013 23:38 GMT
#9993
On July 17 2013 08:21 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:57 Chytilova wrote:
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.


Watch the video, the lawyer actually cover the topic well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm-OK0rjw8&feature=endscreen
8:55 is what you would be interested in imo


Sharpton's reaction to O'Mara is pretty priceless.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 23:43:59
July 16 2013 23:41 GMT
#9994
On July 17 2013 08:20 Arkitek wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-zimmerman-wins-florida-state-lottery,33139/ he won the lottery? wtf.

ahahaha
take a look at any other article from the onion if you are confused
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 16 2013 23:41 GMT
#9995

By the way, how do you respect the decision of 6 people and then sprint swiftly to the millions of people that didn't agree?
Susteren (originally a lawyer herself): ... It's the jury's duty to weigh them [the facts] and all of a sudden, suddenly afterwards you say they can't do their job?

Rand: I have a greater duty beyond being an attorney and that's to be a social engineer and when the law doesn't get it right, I believe that we have the right to peacefully and morally .... conscientiously object to the decision of the jury

What a family lawyer.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
July 17 2013 00:12 GMT
#9996
On July 17 2013 08:41 Danglars wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhhnNw6UaU
By the way, how do you respect the decision of 6 people and then sprint swiftly to the millions of people that didn't agree?
Show nested quote +
Susteren (originally a lawyer herself): ... It's the jury's duty to weigh them [the facts] and all of a sudden, suddenly afterwards you say they can't do their job?

Rand: I have a greater duty beyond being an attorney and that's to be a social engineer and when the law doesn't get it right, I believe that we have the right to peacefully and morally .... conscientiously object to the decision of the jury

What a family lawyer.


Wow. I'd hit it, but she's pretty dumb for a lawyer.
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
July 17 2013 00:36 GMT
#9997
On July 17 2013 09:12 ZackAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:41 Danglars wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhhnNw6UaU
By the way, how do you respect the decision of 6 people and then sprint swiftly to the millions of people that didn't agree?
Susteren (originally a lawyer herself): ... It's the jury's duty to weigh them [the facts] and all of a sudden, suddenly afterwards you say they can't do their job?

Rand: I have a greater duty beyond being an attorney and that's to be a social engineer and when the law doesn't get it right, I believe that we have the right to peacefully and morally .... conscientiously object to the decision of the jury

What a family lawyer.


Wow. I'd hit it, but she's pretty dumb for a lawyer.


I'd hit it all day
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Budmandude
Profile Joined September 2009
United States123 Posts
July 17 2013 00:41 GMT
#9998
On July 17 2013 09:12 ZackAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:41 Danglars wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhhnNw6UaU
By the way, how do you respect the decision of 6 people and then sprint swiftly to the millions of people that didn't agree?
Susteren (originally a lawyer herself): ... It's the jury's duty to weigh them [the facts] and all of a sudden, suddenly afterwards you say they can't do their job?

Rand: I have a greater duty beyond being an attorney and that's to be a social engineer and when the law doesn't get it right, I believe that we have the right to peacefully and morally .... conscientiously object to the decision of the jury

What a family lawyer.


Wow. I'd hit it, but she's pretty dumb for a lawyer.

She's not a lawyer, she's a "Social Engineer." Which guess means she tries to direct lynch mobs when the jury doesn't go her way.
dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 01:15:02
July 17 2013 01:14 GMT
#9999
She has a BA in Political Science, African American Studies, and went to law school. I doubt she is dumb, she just wants to appeal to a certain crowd.

http://parkscrump.com/attorneys/jasmine-rand/

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Aint got time to bleed
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 17 2013 01:21 GMT
#10000
you guys have reached a new level of irrelevant.
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