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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 16:07 GMT
#5441
On July 06 2013 00:58 AimForTheBushes wrote:
And for the record, I don't think the Seal of the State of Florida is that "Great".. pretty unimpressive, in my opinion..

I'm just glad that someone finally straightened the seal.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 16:31 GMT
#5442
Instead of ending on the testimony of Trayvon's mother, they decided to likely have this witness end their case. Very different impression to leave upon the jury.
FatChicksUnited
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada214 Posts
July 05 2013 16:33 GMT
#5443
Didn't watch family testify. How did they do? Anything surprising?
Fat chicks need love too.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 17:01 GMT
#5444
From what I saw on HLN analysis, it was pretty short. They identified the screams, as expected. They didn't want to open the can of worms that was Trayvon's character.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
July 05 2013 17:02 GMT
#5445
poor doc
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 17:43:17
July 05 2013 17:38 GMT
#5446
So this doctor can't remember how long he met with the prosecutor yesterday because he has no notes? This is just so silly.

When this guy is on his deathbed, a revered patriarch of his family and all, I'm sure his opinion will be that his life was well-lived.

It's not a terrible plan, to play the, "I don't know anything 100% card," (do I really "think, therefore I am?") but people will figure out a way to read between the lines, whether the lawyers or the jurors.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 17:40 GMT
#5447
Losing credibility by the question. But that's my opinion, not fact. It is subject to change at any time.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 05 2013 17:41 GMT
#5448
I'm seriously face-palming so hard right now.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 17:42 GMT
#5449
I just remembered. Jury not present right now. That, by the way, is fact. No opinion.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 05 2013 17:43 GMT
#5450
On July 06 2013 02:42 Kaitlin wrote:
I just remembered. Jury not present right now. That, by the way, is fact. No opinion.

Wait. Is the jury really not present?
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 17:44 GMT
#5451
Ok, attorneys, what is a Richardson hearing ?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 17:44 GMT
#5452
On July 06 2013 02:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 02:42 Kaitlin wrote:
I just remembered. Jury not present right now. That, by the way, is fact. No opinion.

Wait. Is the jury really not present?


If it's a hearing, which it apparently is, they would not be present.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 05 2013 17:44 GMT
#5453
On July 06 2013 02:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 02:42 Kaitlin wrote:
I just remembered. Jury not present right now. That, by the way, is fact. No opinion.

Wait. Is the jury really not present?


Of course not, this guy is currently being coached on how to answer questions in a general sense by both the Prosecution and defense...lol...This guy is a joke man.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 05 2013 17:45 GMT
#5454
Wow, prosecution witnesses are sooo bad. The prosecution should have presented fewer witnesses and more documents, because their witnesses do so bad on the stand. Did the prosecution even bother to properly prep their witnesses?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 17:46 GMT
#5455
Richardson hearing is a hearing to determine if the State hid evidence. I just got back to watching, so I haven't seen what happened. However, it looks like the State has been playing games with the disclosure of Bao's opinions. That's a big no no.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
July 05 2013 17:46 GMT
#5456
On July 06 2013 02:44 Kaitlin wrote:
Ok, attorneys, what is a Richardson hearing ?

It is a hearing meant to investigate the circumstances surrounding an alleged discovery violation.

From Florida State Law.
XXXIX. RICHARDSON HEARING REQUIREMENTS

A. When a discovery violation is brought to the attention of the trial court, the court must conduct a hearing as to the circumstances of the violation and its potential prejudice to the defendant. Carter v. State, 665 So.2d 1112 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996).

B. When it has been alleged that the state has committed a discovery violation, the trial court pursuant to Richardson, and its progeny, has a duty to first make an adequate inquiry into all of the surrounding circumstances concerning the violation. Tarrant v. State, 668 So.2d 223 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996).

C. A trial court's failure to hod an adequate Richardson inquiry may be grounds for a new trial. Carter v. State, 665 So.2d 1112 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996).

D. The "guts" of a Richardson hearing:

The Richardson Inquiry follows:

1. Was there a discovery violation?

2. Was the violation willful or inadvertent?

3. Was the violation trivial or substantial?

4. What effect did the violation have on the ability of the other side to prepare for trial?

Richardson v. State, 246 So.2d 771 (Fla. 1971).

E. The requirement to hold a Richardson hearing reinforces the discovery rules and encourages full compliance. It would be counterproductive to disregard the cause of a discovery violation. Donahue v. State, 464 So.2d 608 (Fla. 4th DCA 1985).

F. "The purpose of a Richardson inquiry it so ferret out procedural, rather than substantive, prejudice. In deciding whether this type of prejudice exists in a given case, a trial judge must be cognizant of two separate but interrelated aspects. First, the trial judge must decide whether the discovery violation prevented the defendant from properly preparing for trial.... The second aspect of procedural prejudice deals with the proper sanction to invoke for a discovery violation." State v. Schopp, 653 So.2d 1016 (Fla. 1995).

G. A trial court's failure to conduct a proper Richardson hearing does not constitute per se reversible error. However, the failure to make a full Richardson inquiry may be deemed harmless only where the state proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not procedurally prejudiced by the violation. State v. Schopp, 653 So.2d 1016 (Fla. 1995).
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24367 Posts
July 05 2013 17:53 GMT
#5457
Anyone know what the toxicology reports for Zimmerman said the night of the incident?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 05 2013 17:55 GMT
#5458
To the people who responded to me on page 269: At age 17, he is a child for child abuse laws, I read that part of the florida statute. And I can easily argue that the culpable act was one of recklessness that occurred at leaving the car. It's not hard to do that at all; and it'd be better than this pathetic case by the prosecution. When you chase people, them getting hurt is a foreseeable outcome. Kids are dumb, they're likely to flee or fight. A 1v1 fight has higher risks than a 3v1 fight. Running on a dark rainy night, could easily result in serious injury. I can make a point of 5-6 things, that taken together, constitute negligence or somesuch; wherein doing any one of them, could have prevented this from resulting in a death.

xdaunt, shut up, you're an idiot. I'd read the jury instructions quite carefully already, you just don't get what i'm saying at all. So you should stop talking until you learn something about law; lest you look even more stupid. I see enough stupidity watching the prosecution witnesses

User was temp banned for this post.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 05 2013 17:56 GMT
#5459
I'm interested in people's opinion on the judge not allowing the witness' change in thought. Going from no effect of marijuana intoxication to some effect. Why wouldn't she allow that, when it could have affected behavior?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
July 05 2013 17:59 GMT
#5460
On July 06 2013 02:55 zlefin wrote:
To the people who responded to me on page 269: At age 17, he is a child for child abuse laws, I read that part of the florida statute. And I can easily argue that the culpable act was one of recklessness that occurred at leaving the car. It's not hard to do that at all; and it'd be better than this pathetic case by the prosecution. When you chase people, them getting hurt is a foreseeable outcome. Kids are dumb, they're likely to flee or fight. A 1v1 fight has higher risks than a 3v1 fight. Running on a dark rainy night, could easily result in serious injury. I can make a point of 5-6 things, that taken together, constitute negligence or somesuch; wherein doing any one of them, could have prevented this from resulting in a death.

xdaunt, shut up, you're an idiot. I'd read the jury instructions quite carefully already, you just don't get what i'm saying at all. So you should stop talking until you learn something about law; lest you look even more stupid. I see enough stupidity watching the prosecution witnesses

clearly the guy arguing with the lawyer about the law is not the one whos looking more and more stupid as time goes on.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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