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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 05 2013 18:28 GMT
#5481
On July 06 2013 03:22 xDaunt wrote:
So it's confirmed that Bao is the last state witness?


Didn't the State say they would be resting today, back a few days ago? Which suggests he's last.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 05 2013 18:32 GMT
#5482
On July 06 2013 03:27 xDaunt wrote:
For reference, what West is doing with Bao right now is usually what happens in criminal cases. The State typically has a fairly solid case, and all that the Defense can do is poke holes here and there to create little pockets of doubt.


Poking holes with a sledgehammer. Guy's bringing notes no one has access to that changes what his original, stated opinions are?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 18:33 GMT
#5483
This witness just took away the "inconsistency" about GZ splaying the arms out contradicting the location of the hands under his body. This testimony totally explains it.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 05 2013 18:35 GMT
#5484
So it seems like Dr. Bao is pretty incompetent. He is pretty much basing everything on anecdotal evidence and what he feels may be right, not on any kind of science. Usually that would be a terrible thing for any kind of Doctor, but when you couple it with having seemingly no long-term memory it seems even worse.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 18:38:17
July 05 2013 18:37 GMT
#5485


Favorite quote from today "You can't shoot people"... GZ and the defense seem pretty confident the situation is otherwise...

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 18:39 GMT
#5486
On July 06 2013 03:32 Felnarion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 03:27 xDaunt wrote:
For reference, what West is doing with Bao right now is usually what happens in criminal cases. The State typically has a fairly solid case, and all that the Defense can do is poke holes here and there to create little pockets of doubt.


Poking holes with a sledgehammer. Guy's bringing notes no one has access to that changes what his original, stated opinions are?

It's a good cross examination that's definitely drawing blood. However, you can't get caught up with any one witness in a case. When presenting a case at trial, attorneys have to think about each fact that they get into evidence as being a "penny in the cup." It's very rare that what happens with one witness is outcome dispositive. If this were a normal case rather than the shit show for the prosecution that it has been, this examination of Bao may not matter at all in terms of whether the jury decides to convict the defendant.
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 18:44:27
July 05 2013 18:40 GMT
#5487
dang whats going on? What are they trying to prove right now? That Treyvon moved himself in that position or what?

woah is he trying to say George Zimmerman wasnt that close to him when he shot?


.4 inches-4ft......hmmmm idk what to think. thats a very large gap but it still seems George's story works
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 18:43:50
July 05 2013 18:43 GMT
#5488
Well, they have established that it's reasonable to conclude that Trayvon brought his hands underneath his body after George splayed them out.

edit: Also that the ME's office is fairly incompetent.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 05 2013 18:43 GMT
#5489
On July 06 2013 03:40 AllHailTheDead wrote:
dang whats going on? What are they trying to prove right now? That Treyvon moved himself in that position or what?

Dude I don't even know...

This witness is everywhere.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
ConGee
Profile Joined May 2012
318 Posts
July 05 2013 18:47 GMT
#5490
On July 06 2013 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:


Favorite quote from today "You can't shoot people"... GZ and the defense seem pretty confident the situation is otherwise...



That's just a dumb statement. If that were actually true, this trial wouldn't be a thing and Zimmerman would be in prison.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 18:47 GMT
#5491
Just confirmed he couldn't say anything more specific as far as range other than between .4 inches and 4 feet. So, yeah, anything goes. Reasonable doubt abounds.
FatChicksUnited
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada214 Posts
July 05 2013 18:47 GMT
#5492
Bao is referencing a book written by the defence's expert witness.
Fat chicks need love too.
OVERTsc2
Profile Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
July 05 2013 18:50 GMT
#5493
This witness is strange. Why is he so difficult to get answers out of?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 05 2013 18:51 GMT
#5494
On July 06 2013 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:


Favorite quote from today "You can't shoot people"... GZ and the defense seem pretty confident the situation is otherwise...


He meant for science
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11084 Posts
July 05 2013 18:51 GMT
#5495
On July 06 2013 03:35 rasnj wrote:
So it seems like Dr. Bao is pretty incompetent. He is pretty much basing everything on anecdotal evidence and what he feels may be right, not on any kind of science. Usually that would be a terrible thing for any kind of Doctor, but when you couple it with having seemingly no long-term memory it seems even worse.


Well at least in medicine there's reference to best practices in malpractice law. I imagine (?) that might hold true for other professions? I don't think it's unreasonable to have an expert rather than something done with scientific methodology in some cases. God knows things like environmental damage reports are subjective as hell because the economist can tweak the weighting of variables at whim (ish).
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
July 05 2013 18:52 GMT
#5496
On July 06 2013 03:50 OVERTsc2 wrote:
This witness is strange. Why is he so difficult to get answers out of?



not a native English speaker? Thats what I think anyways, he has a heavy accent and usually if thats true then they usually have a hard time with English
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
July 05 2013 18:52 GMT
#5497
On July 06 2013 03:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:


Favorite quote from today "You can't shoot people"... GZ and the defense seem pretty confident the situation is otherwise...


He meant for science



Haha yeah just couldn't help but smile that somehow we got to the point where that had to be said.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
July 05 2013 18:58 GMT
#5498
So whats left? Is it true that they will reach a decision today?


xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 18:59 GMT
#5499
Alright. Time for a motion for a directed verdict. I don't think that it will be granted, but I may revise my opinion when I hear what the standard is.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2013 18:59 GMT
#5500
On July 06 2013 03:52 AllHailTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 03:50 OVERTsc2 wrote:
This witness is strange. Why is he so difficult to get answers out of?



not a native English speaker? Thats what I think anyways, he has a heavy accent and usually if thats true then they usually have a hard time with English


His English was fine, it was just a matter of his intellect and desire to be precise combined with lack of courtroom acumen.
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