Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 15

On March 30 2012 02:29 Defacer wrote:


There should be medical reports and photos documenting all these injuries.

The police should seriously consider releasing them before Zimmerman is lynched.

On March 30 2012 02:31 Felnarion wrote:


It's part of a trial, and there's privacy concerns as well, I don't know that its necessarily in their court to decide.

On March 30 2012 02:07 Defacer wrote:
I think this is post by blogger Julian Sanchez is worth consideration.



If the police did not document Zimmerman's injuries properly, it would indicate that the attack wasn't as serious as they want people to believe, or they seriously botched the handling of the case.

On March 30 2012 02:34 Durp wrote:

On a different note, however, I can't decide if I'm bothered by the fact that Trayvon's mother was copyrighting phrases using his name. The cynic in me wonders if she's looking to score some money off this tragedy, which is disgusting. I can't see that being true, so I next wonder if she's planning to use money earned through these copyrights to support inevitable incoming legal fees. (though, if that is the case, I don't really see the need. I can't see a reality where the ACLU or other organizations wouldn't fund any legal followings for her)

edit, hope this lives up to thread standards Kwark

On March 30 2012 02:41 lwwkicker wrote:
Was there ever an autopsy on Trayvon? I read something about the funeral director, meaning it seems that Trayvon has been embalmed/buried.

On March 30 2012 02:27 Defacer wrote:


The funeral director's statement combined with the potential lack of documentation of Zimmerman's injuries (they even let him go home in the same clothes that night) is truly suspicious.

The police were at scene of the crime. If Zimmerman was defending himself, they had all the opportunity in the world to collect and document HARD evidence that would indicate Zimmerman was defending himself from imminent danger, and/or Trayvon assaulted him.

This case is starting to feel less about Zimmerman's incompetence, and more about the Sanford police's bias and negligence.

On March 30 2012 02:44 MountainGoat wrote:


They did an autopsy but it hasn't been released yet.

On March 30 2012 02:47 silynxer wrote:
I remember I read somewhere that she wanted to prevent people from printing Trayvon T-shirts etc. which would be completely understandable, I certainly wouldn't want strangers instrumentalizing the death of a loved one.

I don't think she wants to profit from it, but it remains to be seen.

On March 30 2012 03:02 BrownBagin wrote:
One thing i think a lot of people need to do is put themselves in Zimmerman's shoes, and put yourself in the same situation and play it out the exact way up to the point of the shooting. As a person who works under a law enforcement agency in Texas in the 3rd largest county jail in the U.S. by Zimmerman's story and witness's statements i would have done the same thing. My training has told me when in an altercation with an inmate an officer must keep the level of force just above that of the inmate. Now by Zimmerman's and the witness's statements he was underneath Trayvon and being beating, if he used a gun my conclusion is he could not fight back well enough to get Trayvon off and control him. I have two examples of inmate fights i was in the past two weeks that show the amount of force that is required to control another that is fighting. The first was a week ago, while i was doing a cell search we got a call that there was an inmate fight. I ran to the fight were 2 black males were punching each other, me and my sergeant fought to control and handcuff one inmate who was resisting to put his hands being his back. The second the inmate pushed back on my sergeant i grabbed him by the collar and put my leg on the inside of his thigh and pulled him down to the ground where we were able to handcuff him. My level of force went up above that of the inmates as soon as he raised his level of aggression. Now two nights ago i had another fight between two black males, i went into the cell and grabbed one of them from around his back and pulled him off the other inmate and brought him to the closest wall. The inmate did not fight back so i let go he did not resist so i did not have to use any other force to control him. Now ask was Zimmerman able to control Trayvon while being hit, so was his level of force being raised up to deadly force justifiable? If he did not pull his gun out would Trayvon have beaten him to death? These are very hard questions to ask from looking on the outside in.

Now on the whole racial subject of Zimmerman going door to door. If the neighborhood was known to have black males committing crimes what is wrong with him letting people know to keep a look out for suspicious black males?! The jail i work in has over 15,000 inmates, over 90% of these inmates are black, 5% are hispanic, and the other 5% are split between whites and asians. Now seeing as most of these inmates are black i would assume the same thing if i saw a black male walking in the rain with his hands in his pockets looking at houses. Does that make me a racists? Or does it show that i have experienced enough to know that the chances a white/asian/hispanic males walking alone versus a black male walking alone and possibly them being up to no good are vastly great. Could Zimmerman also have been experienced enough to know about his neighborhood to know that he in fact did look like he was up to no good? From what the facts have shown that the neighborhood has had a huge amount of crimes from black males. So Zimmerman saw a black male walking alone at night, suspicious? Not really who cares. Now take it even further, Zimmerman seeing a black male walking alone at night while raining, suspicious? A little but not a lot. Once again even further! Zimmerman seeing a black male walking alone at night in the rain with his hands in his pockets, suspicious? Yes this is suspicious! Now again! Zimmerman seeing a black male walking alone at night while its raining with his hands in his pockets and looking at the houses, suspicious? YES VERY! Zimmerman found all of this very suspicious from his history and knowledge of his neighborhood previous crimes.

On March 30 2012 03:02 BrownBagin wrote:
Now seeing as most of these inmates are black i would assume the same thing if i saw a black male walking in the rain with his hands in his pockets looking at houses. Does that make me a racists?

On March 30 2012 03:12 lwwkicker wrote:


What does subduing inmates (known, convicted criminals) have to do with what was apparently a 'street fight' between two strangers? I, personally, would never put myself in Zimmerman's situation, and I would never conceal and carry, but that's just me.



More black people are convicted of crime, so let's start racially profiling them? If you gotta walk somewhere, you gotta walk, raining or not. Walking with his hands in his pockets? Seriously? I do that almost all the time. If it is cold (or rainy), expect to see me with my hands in my pockets 100% of the time.

On March 30 2012 03:19 Crushinator wrote:


Yes, in my honest opinion, that makes you a racist. But that's ok we are all racist to varying degrees, do try not to act on your racist biases like Zimmerman did though.

On March 30 2012 03:24 BrownBagin wrote:




If you do not understand the comparison i was making of the amount of force Zimmerman used to the amount of force the law enforcement use then you should re-read what i wrote. I do not see why you would think to put yourself in Zimmerman's shoes literally. Put yourself in his shoes in your head! (DUH!) I do not see it as racially profiling when the facts show one race is the cause for most of the crimes in an area, and you see a person of that race doing something you find suspicious how is that racially profiling?! Now If Trayvon was just walking looking down and it was not raining and still had his hands in his pockets and it wasnt night i would have not found it suspicious at all. The reasons i would as Zimmerman most likely did are the facts about that night. One it was night time and he was walking alone in a neighborhood known for alot of criminal activity at night. Would you be walking around at night just to get skittles and a drink in that neighborhood? Second it was raining! I know if it was night time and it was raining i would go walking to the store unless i had no other choice in that neighborhood, even then i wouldnt do it for a drink and skittles! All of these are reasons why a black male in a neighborhood like that would look suspicious to me.

On March 30 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:

why do people assume that because they havent seen something, it doesnt exist? we dont know what evidence the police took at the scene or have in their evidence locker, and i doubt they are going to open that up to the public to let them comb through it before the grand jury investigation. lets stop assuming what the police do or do not have, and focus only on what we have been able to see.

it is perfectly reasonable to say that the ABC video shows an apparently uninjured individual, but its not reasonable to say that the police did not take any pictures of his injuries at the scene. lets stick to the facts and reasonable assumptions based on those facts. please.