... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
Certain standards of respect should always be held up. For example, if I am in a room and someone is talking about "stupid niggers" or "filthy jews" (even if he just uses these phrases in a joke), it doenst matter for me if there is no jew or black person around to be offended directly. If this person is spreading intolerance with this, everyone has the right to be offended.
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
so then he fairly has the right to ridicule you.
Thats kind of the funny thing. People don't ridicule those who think racism is wrong, just races. people who think racism is wrong ridicule those who think its right, but not races.
I suppose you're like night and day complimenting each other, since all systems must have balance.
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
so then he fairly has the right to ridicule you.
Thats kind of the funny thing. People don't ridicule those who think racism is wrong, just races. people who think racism is wrong ridicule those who think its right, but not races.
I suppose you're like night and day complimenting each other, since all systems must have balance.
Are you really thinking that just because it's possible to put the label "my opinion" on some bullshit like racism or antisemitism, it becomes suddenly logically dubious and morally intractable terrain? Well, then I guess in my opinion water isn't wet.
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
So you think the way to deal with racism is just to ridicule them or let them know they are disliked? That solves nothing.
a moral law, set of laws, should be added to the current penal/criminal law that should punish 'offensive behavior' with ... community service (and maybe, on repeated offenses, with jail). making examples out of random people from time to time does't help anyone.
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
so then he fairly has the right to ridicule you.
Thats kind of the funny thing. People don't ridicule those who think racism is wrong, just races. people who think racism is wrong ridicule those who think its right, but not races.
I suppose you're like night and day complimenting each other, since all systems must have balance.
Of course he (and those that feel the same) have the right to ridicule and dislike me based on my opinion.
Since when is it a right not to be condemned and ridiculed for your opinions?
Tolerance have gone too far when we say 'no matter what you say or believe, it's fine, nothing to be upset about - you are in fact wrong to be upset about something people just say' ?
It's like people who believe in faith healing, mediums, mystics etc, they certainly have a right to feel offended when I tell them they are complete and utter morons being scammed by swindlers. Doesn't mean I don't have a right to tell them that - since it's in fact what is happening. Wrong for them to be offended by it? Certainly not. That's their right. But if we start to discuss it, perhaps we'll get some facts in there and maybe some will be convinced that that whole business is just bullshit.
Since when is it wrong to be emotional about what you believe in? Should we condemn preachers for trying to convert people to their faith, because they are telling people they are wrong? Should we not care one bit if nazi's hold a rally where the message is to kill jews, blacks and handicapped people?
I think the idea that being offended by anything is stupid, is wrong. If you aren't upset about it, why would you bother spending time trying to correct their mistaken beliefs?
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
The thing about Orwell is that he was being cautionary ...
On March 28 2012 16:57 aebriol wrote: ... people get offended mostly when other people do or say something they perceive as morally / ethically wrong, or if they feel personally insulted and attacked (sometimes because they are part of a group being attacked, and they take it personally).
This may be some really dumb examples but: - A muslim taxidriver saying "hell no, I am not driving you to the synagogue you filthy jew". (offensive to ... most anyone that isn't a muslim, but not offensive to the most devout muslims for obvious reasons - however, can be equally offensive to moderate muslims).
- A white person saying "fuck off, you are not welcome here you dirty nigger". (offensive to ... most anyone, but not white supremacists for obvious reasons).
That is two things that are really offensive, and most anyone would agree, but isn't offensive to some, because they believe it's right.
The problem is when people say "hey, that isn't so offensive" or perceive it as PC going too far. Because, yes, someone somewhere is most likely offended by pretty much any statement. And if you see nothing wrong with something, you don't see why others are making a big deal about it.
I belong to those that think people get offended by way too much these days ... but I certainly believe that certain things are not okay to say, or believe, without people getting offended and telling you to basically fuck off and die for being a complete and utter moron (like the two examples above). You have a right to your opinion, but not a right not to be criticized and ridiculed and hated for it. Pretty much at least. Which is why it's funny to me when people say hateful shit about some group (gays for example), then get riled up when people hate them for it ...
For example, I think that being offended because someone - in any context whatsoever - use the word 'nigger' - is dumb. But I can understand why people find it offensive, and so I never choose to use it in real life. Where, well, I care a bit more about my reputation than I do here
I'm getting Orwellian flashbacks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but some people have more of a right than others - ain't that the truth.
That is the truth yes.
And that is how most everyone feels. Do you disagree?
I have the right to think racism is wrong. You have the right to think that racism is okay because race X is inferior to other races. But you should expect to be ridiculed and disliked based on your opinion. Because it's not correct, or right. But you have the right to have that opinion - certainly.
So you think the way to deal with racism is just to ridicule them or let them know they are disliked? That solves nothing.
Did I say that? No. So in the future, why don't you respond to what I am writing instead?
What I say that is if someone is racist, they should expect to be ridculed and disliked because of that.
In addition, of course, you make laws, you educate people, etc etc etc.
On March 28 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote: a moral law, set of laws, should be added to the current penal/criminal law that should punish 'offensive behavior' with ... community service (and maybe. on repeated offenses, with jail). making examples out of random people from time to time does't help anyone.
So you'd rather threaten someone with force and hope they don't just be 'offensive' when you can't hear them rather than educate them as to why that line of thinking is wrong. And here I thought fascism was going to die off. If you don't think the way I want you to, then go to jail.
He is a great comedian with a great point, however - if you substitute what he ridicules with racism, bigotry, etc, whatever you deeply believe is wrong, then it might not be so funny any more.
I certainly agree that people are taking it too far - that a lot of people think it's a right to go around not being offended. Which is just stupid. But I don't think the answer to that is to say - being offended by anything is just wrong, and dumb. That's taking it too far in the other direction.
If a comedian make a joke about muslims, you might certainly be correct to say that people that are being offended by that and try to get him banned are ridiculous (and in fact, you are ridiculing them and disliking them based on their opinion), but if a group holds a rally saying muslims should be killed or deported from the country ... well, you know, I find it ridiculous if someone say it's stupid of me to be offended by that. And, anyone participating in that rally, I would dislike based on that alone.
On March 28 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote: a moral law, set of laws, should be added to the current penal/criminal law that should punish 'offensive behavior' with ... community service (and maybe. on repeated offenses, with jail). making examples out of random people from time to time does't help anyone.
So you'd rather threaten someone with force and hope they don't just be 'offensive' when you can't hear them rather than educate them as to why that line of thinking is wrong. And here I thought fascism was going to die off. If you don't think the way I want you to, then go to jail.
Being a nazi can get you sent to jail in Germany I think.
Saying you hope someone would shoot the president, or your school, or your workplace, might send you to jail in the US.
An imam was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison in Norway (this week), for over several years, encouraging people to commit terrorist attacks against Norway, and political figures in particular.
Do you believe there should be no laws against discrimination and hate speech? A lot of people disagree with you.
On March 28 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote: a moral law, set of laws, should be added to the current penal/criminal law that should punish 'offensive behavior' with ... community service (and maybe. on repeated offenses, with jail). making examples out of random people from time to time does't help anyone.
So you'd rather threaten someone with force and hope they don't just be 'offensive' when you can't hear them rather than educate them as to why that line of thinking is wrong. And here I thought fascism was going to die off. If you don't think the way I want you to, then go to jail.
Being a nazi can get you sent to jail in Germany I think.
Saying you hope someone would shoot the president, or your school, or your workplace, might send you to jail in the US.
An imam was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison in Norway (this week), for over several years, encouraging people to commit terrorist attacks against Norway, and political figures in particular.
Do you believe there should be no laws against discrimination and hate speech? A lot of people disagree with you.
Saying you hope someone would shoot someone is implying a threat of force. Telling people to commit terrorist attacks is a threat of force. Saying to someone you don't like them because of their race, is an opinion. So no, I don't think there should be laws against people stating their opinions. Obviously threats of force should be treated as such. Can you see how these things are completely different and need to be treated like it?
On March 28 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote: a moral law, set of laws, should be added to the current penal/criminal law that should punish 'offensive behavior' with ... community service (and maybe. on repeated offenses, with jail). making examples out of random people from time to time does't help anyone.
So you'd rather threaten someone with force and hope they don't just be 'offensive' when you can't hear them rather than educate them as to why that line of thinking is wrong. And here I thought fascism was going to die off. If you don't think the way I want you to, then go to jail.
Being a nazi can get you sent to jail in Germany I think.
Saying you hope someone would shoot the president, or your school, or your workplace, might send you to jail in the US.
An imam was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison in Norway (this week), for over several years, encouraging people to commit terrorist attacks against Norway, and political figures in particular.
Do you believe there should be no laws against discrimination and hate speech? A lot of people disagree with you.
Saying you hope someone would shoot someone is implying a threat of force. Telling people to commit terrorist attacks is a threat of force. Saying to someone you don't like them because of their race, is an opinion. So no, I don't think there should be laws against people stating their opinions. Obviously threats of force should be treated as such. Can you see how these things are completely different and need to be treated like it?
wait... So you think people who have pro-nazi and other offensive opinions should not be punished?
I think everyone can use their common sense when it comes to what's acceptable and what's not... and the people who can't, probably can't be persuaded by discussion
On March 28 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote: a moral law, set of laws, should be added to the current penal/criminal law that should punish 'offensive behavior' with ... community service (and maybe. on repeated offenses, with jail). making examples out of random people from time to time does't help anyone.
So you'd rather threaten someone with force and hope they don't just be 'offensive' when you can't hear them rather than educate them as to why that line of thinking is wrong. And here I thought fascism was going to die off. If you don't think the way I want you to, then go to jail.
Being a nazi can get you sent to jail in Germany I think.
Saying you hope someone would shoot the president, or your school, or your workplace, might send you to jail in the US.
An imam was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison in Norway (this week), for over several years, encouraging people to commit terrorist attacks against Norway, and political figures in particular.
Do you believe there should be no laws against discrimination and hate speech? A lot of people disagree with you.
Saying you hope someone would shoot someone is implying a threat of force. Telling people to commit terrorist attacks is a threat of force. Saying to someone you don't like them because of their race, is an opinion. So no, I don't think there should be laws against people stating their opinions. Obviously threats of force should be treated as such. Can you see how these things are completely different and need to be treated like it?
wait... So you think people who have pro-nazi and other offensive opinions should not be punished?
I get your joke, but for the rest, right, I don't think that people with offensive opinions should be punished. Educated? Sure. Punished? No.
On March 28 2012 18:16 Kira__ wrote: I think everyone can use their common sense when it comes to what's acceptable and what's not... and the people who can't, probably can't be persuaded by discussion
Just like criminals can't be rehabilitated..... Right?
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