On March 09 2012 23:48 samscraft wrote: this is alload of junk, there has been inside posts released that state exactly how much money donated goes to stop this kony guy and i can say its below 35% which is pathetic.
First of all a link to these inside posts is needed for you post what you did.
Second of all calling any attempt to stop a man breaking as many human rights laws as Kony is while you have probably done shit fuck all to stop what's happening in any way is outrageous. Even if it is only 35%, this guy is actually doing something to stop evil in the world and bringing people together to do so. This guy should be making money for his efforts because he is making a real change.
And at least have a well thought-out paragraph ready before you call a organization that's helping people in the world "alload of junk".
This is a pretty bad argument. You're basically saying, who cares if they're taking your money for themselves at least they're doing a little bit! You're not doing anything!
That's not how a non profit organization works in my book ( yeah yeah the money goes towards videos blerp derp they take a fair share as 'welldeserved' salary) and there's better organizations to spend your money on. Like doctors without borders.
Thereby the 35% that is going somewhere is going to the Ugandian army which isn't the best direction for it to take as many people do think.
I never said it couldn't be done better. I was simply saying don't bash them for doing something, even if that something could be done much better. You don't have to give them your money but don't bash a organization trying to help others, as it will always make you look like a total douche and quite frankly anyone who does insult this organization is a total douche
On March 09 2012 23:48 samscraft wrote: this is alload of junk, there has been inside posts released that state exactly how much money donated goes to stop this kony guy and i can say its below 35% which is pathetic.
First of all a link to these inside posts is needed for you post what you did.
Second of all calling any attempt to stop a man breaking as many human rights laws as Kony is while you have probably done shit fuck all to stop what's happening in any way is outrageous. Even if it is only 35%, this guy is actually doing something to stop evil in the world and bringing people together to do so. This guy should be making money for his efforts because he is making a real change.
And at least have a well thought-out paragraph ready before you call a organization that's helping people in the world "alload of junk".
I have to agree. A statistic not backed up by anything is very likely to be wrong. Saying it is an inside source does not increase it's validity.
All these sources you're looking for are ALL OVER this thread, go back a few pages and be englightened.
That figure is most certainly incorrect. The actual percentage is 31. Its just a matter of reading their own bookkeeping.
On March 08 2012 14:17 emc wrote: did the mods of the forum change the title of the thread?
the directors of the movie wanted it to make him "famous" not "infamous" even if that's what they really meant. Not sure why the mods had to change the title, must not have watched the film.
To be honest, this movement's rallying line of "make Kony famous" just annoys me so much. Making him "famous" implies a positive connotation, it sounds like they're trying to get Kony elected for 2012.
it only implies that if you didn't watch the video, anyone with a brain who watched it clearly understands why the director wanted him to be "famous". Maybe he originally wanted infamous but thought there would be a lot more attention given with "famous". And also look at it this way, he wanted average, every day people who use facebook and twitter to get their attention. The title of the movie got my attention and it certainly has gotten the attention of over 52 million people.
Could it had a different title? yes? but I think the one that was given is actually perfect and I don't feel mislead because of it. Sorry if you think that this would imply he is a good guy for some reason.
I'm glad the mods changed the title to what it is now instead of bastardizing the directors vision for his movie title. I'd be upset if I made a movie, someone created a thread with my movie title then was later changed because a mod with god complex decided it wasn't up to his standards.
not sure if this was posted or not in the 26 pages of this thread, but here is the truth from someone who knows from personal experience what she is talking about.
The LRA and Kony were pushed out of Africa years ago, and he is not the problem in Uganda. Invisible Children keeps 68% of their profits for themselves, while funding the Ugandan military with money which can't be used for anything other than stopping Kony, who ISNT even in Uganda.
Long story short, people on Facebook and other media sites are dumb and blind to real problems in this world, and will jump on any cause that puts together a well-made video without doing their research. Syria is a real problem in this world, yet no one even knows what is happening there.
On March 09 2012 16:13 TanTzoR wrote: This Kony 2012 is intellectually dishonest. It looks cool to save poor African children by posting a video link doesn't it? Paternalistic shit from kids from developed countries. Helping the homeless guy you come across everyday is less epic than join a big movement to save Africa for sure. I hate it so much, this is being done so bad. Good editing, cute kid, atrocities, epic music, sad music and finally some dubstep and you have all the stupid fucks of this planet blindly joining.
guys, do u think everything is fine, just because u hear nothing in the news about africa??? human right violations happen over there every day, but its radio silence... now some video, backed buy the cooperations that have material interest their screem war? c´mon get real: its all about oil and rare earths that china is buying and the U.S.S.A wants under their empire
same thing in syria and libya...one oil rich region over there just declared independence, just like ol´ times: Divide and Conquer!
colonialism at its best, and we should support that?? wtf
Where are people getting the 33% figure? Was there an independent audit or something? I quickly looked at the financials of IC and saw that out of $13.7 million on revenue, $7.16 miillion was spent on program services. That's more than 50% already. The payment for management and fundraising is about $1.7 million, and the rest was kept as net income to the organization. My guess is they're planning to use the extra income for expansion. They also had a LOSS of $1million in 2009 and a gain of only $189,000 in 2010.
Plus IC isn't like Red Cross. They're an awareness organization. So I wouldn't be surprised if much of their funds simply go towards things things focused on domestic media and such rather than rebuilding the infrastructure in Uganda.
Anyhow, I don't see where the 33% talk is coming from. If there is reason to believe they are misappropriating funds, then people need to bring evidence to this claim rather than just saying it "just cuz it's on the internet." I'm not really a supporter of an "awareness program" like IC, but I do think that the organization is trying its best to fulfill its mission.
Edit: Oh I see now. If you take out the cost of awareness programs then the percentage drops down to around 37%. :/ But that's not representative of their expenses on awareness and media. It's well above that percentage.
On March 09 2012 23:48 samscraft wrote: this is alload of junk, there has been inside posts released that state exactly how much money donated goes to stop this kony guy and i can say its below 31% which is pathetic.
This argument needs to stop already. That number, 31%, does NOT mean that IC puts 69% of incoming donations in their own pocket.
IC are not a charity organization in that matter, they work with raising AWARENESS and that is pretty much what the other 69% goes to.
That said, now that they succeeded in raising awareness, maybe they don't need more money and I myself will not give anything to IC, I would rather give it to Save the Children if I'd want to stick to this particular cause.
Edit: Yeah I know this is pretty much what the guy above me said ^^
On March 09 2012 23:48 samscraft wrote: this is alload of junk, there has been inside posts released that state exactly how much money donated goes to stop this kony guy and i can say its below 35% which is pathetic.
First of all a link to these inside posts is needed for you post what you did.
Second of all calling any attempt to stop a man breaking as many human rights laws as Kony is while you have probably done shit fuck all to stop what's happening in any way is outrageous. Even if it is only 35%, this guy is actually doing something to stop evil in the world and bringing people together to do so. This guy should be making money for his efforts because he is making a real change.
And at least have a well thought-out paragraph ready before you call a organization that's helping people in the world "alload of junk".
I have to agree. A statistic not backed up by anything is very likely to be wrong. Saying it is an inside source does not increase it's validity.
All these sources you're looking for are ALL OVER this thread, go back a few pages and be englightened.
That figure is most certainly incorrect. The actual percentage is 31. Its just a matter of reading their own bookkeeping.
The number 35 came from some man saying that they aren't EVEN spending 35%. Implying that it was even lower than 35. Than the other just took that number and said theýre spending 35%.
On March 09 2012 23:48 samscraft wrote: this is alload of junk, there has been inside posts released that state exactly how much money donated goes to stop this kony guy and i can say its below 35% which is pathetic.
First of all a link to these inside posts is needed for you post what you did.
Second of all calling any attempt to stop a man breaking as many human rights laws as Kony is while you have probably done shit fuck all to stop what's happening in any way is outrageous. Even if it is only 35%, this guy is actually doing something to stop evil in the world and bringing people together to do so. This guy should be making money for his efforts because he is making a real change.
And at least have a well thought-out paragraph ready before you call a organization that's helping people in the world "alload of junk".
I have to agree. A statistic not backed up by anything is very likely to be wrong. Saying it is an inside source does not increase it's validity.
All these sources you're looking for are ALL OVER this thread, go back a few pages and be englightened.
That figure is most certainly incorrect. The actual percentage is 31. Its just a matter of reading their own bookkeeping.
The number 35 came from some man saying that they aren't EVEN spending 35%. Implying that it was even lower than 35. Than the other just took that number and said theýre spending 35%.
A small misunderstanding.
This is where i draw problems. Some man is your source.
80.5% of their expenses are program expenses. This is what they spend on their goals, such as building schools in uganda and so forth.
16.2% of their expenses are administration. This is the office keeping, accounting, and basically the paperwork section. This includes salaries, if these are their only 3 expense accounts.
3.2% goes into fundraising, which is the growth of the non-profit.
This means that 80 cents out of every dollar you give them is going to help the children in africa, or whatever other projects they are doing.
This is besides the point however of Kony being the main target here. Don't donate to IC but get Kony's name out there, the government will do the rest.
I don't even know if we should even believe their little financial record considering they are known to withhold a lot of information for whatever reason.
As someone has said before instead of trying to treat the "symptom" why don't people, like a good doctor, try to treat the disease. I can guarantee you there are WAY WAY WAY better organizations that need more attention/funding and would do a better/ efficient job with more results if given the support like "Doctors without Borders."
This is what we are arguing about. IC's method and agenda is so damn naive and ignorant. Honestly it is somewhat infuriating.
guys, do u think everything is fine, just because u hear nothing in the news about africa??? human right violations happen over there every day, but its radio silence... now some video, backed buy the cooperations that have material interest their screem war? c´mon get real: its all about oil and rare earths that china is buying and the U.S.S.A wants under their empire
same thing in syria and libya...one oil rich region over there just declared independence, just like ol´ times: Divide and Conquer!
colonialism at its best, and we should support that?? wtf
ive listened to the alex jones podcast along time. i still do today to get a different perspecitve. and everyone should do so.
problem with his followers is most of them use him as the only source. i read mainstream aswell as indie media and after it make up my mind.
you should do the same.
because you will get lost in details otherwise and wont understand the bigger picture and understand the system as a hole.
suprised someone hasn't just pushed alex jones down some stairs.... hes made up so much crap, and been wrong many times, yet everybody still listens to him.
I knew something was fishy about that video, I felt it right away...
It's sad how the political elite make plans to invade a country, and one of the steps is to go 'backdoor' and have the social networks push them into military action. The sad part is how the people actually did exactly as expected, and the video went viral....
On March 10 2012 07:43 leecH wrote: ive listened to the alex jones podcast along time. i still do today to get a different perspecitve. and everyone should do so.
Everyone should listen to a maniac who spouts unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?
Alex Jones...well, I think he's radical, and wants to see everything fit into his conspiracy theory. But he's not just a nutcase. He does some good research and has valuable input on a lot of things. Like leecH says above...take it with a grain of salt.
On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities).
because there is no oil in africa
Nigeria, Angola, Libya, Egypt, Sudan (South), Gabon, DRC, not to mention vast mineral wealth that puts much of the world to shame...
And the US has a highly vested interest in Nigerian oil, hence the strong partnership between the two...there is a definite US interest in Africa. We are "already there"
I'm pretty sure the point was "there's no oil where Kony/these guys are, but there is where Saddam/Qaddafi/etc are" so that's why we invaded those countries and not the other ones, despite both having commited horrible acts against humanity.. I agree he could have worded it better though.
Folks forget the US govt. has an overwhelmingly shitty reputation worldwide. Going after Kony is a boost for them, and any good PR they can get is good for them.