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On March 01 2012 02:55 zalz wrote:
I think people are too eager to look for light at the end of the tunnel.
This is like the drug addicated family member that has gone into rehab for the sixth time. You really want to believe him, but you should prepare for the more likely outcome.
North-Korea probably the most unreliable nation in the world, exactly why they are so hard to engage in diplomacy. Diplomacy is entirely based around trust. You just can't trust North-Korea.
We will see, but it has a long way to go before I am going to compliment that atrocious nation for anything.
atleast it means more food for the poor people over there. thats something to be happy about.
ofc we shouldnt expect a big change and this happened before. still its the first good news since a long time.
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On March 01 2012 03:00 cellblock wrote:
Meanwhile, U.S.A is nuking the shit out of the Pacific ocean.
Nice contribution, go back to reddit.
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A good step in the right direction!
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I'm going to approach this cautiously, but hopefully Kim Jung Un is a much more benevolent and less hostile leader than his father and grandfather. It's good news...but I hope it leads to more improvements.
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So they're basically trading physical, tangible items like food and other supplies for a promise to not go into nuclear works.
Regardless of how much writing this is in, I say we have weekly proof of this lack of nuclear "research." I'd sooner trust my crazy neighbors with such promises than North Korea with a still-somewhat-unpredictably-new leader.
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On March 01 2012 03:01 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 02:55 zalz wrote:
I think people are too eager to look for light at the end of the tunnel.
This is like the drug addicated family member that has gone into rehab for the sixth time. You really want to believe him, but you should prepare for the more likely outcome.
North-Korea probably the most unreliable nation in the world, exactly why they are so hard to engage in diplomacy. Diplomacy is entirely based around trust. You just can't trust North-Korea.
We will see, but it has a long way to go before I am going to compliment that atrocious nation for anything. atleast it means more food for the poor people over there. thats something to be happy about. ofc we shouldnt expect a big change and this happened before. still its the first good news since a long time.
No, it doesn't mean that.
We in the first world don't view food in the same way as people in the third world (and yes, North-Korea, despite its nukes, is 3rd world).
Dictatorships regularly use food as a weapon. They give it to those that are loyal, they feed their soldiers. The rest can starve.
The further you go from Pyongyang, the less people will get a taste of this food. Food is a tool to keep control. The fact that they might limit their nuke production does nothing to curtail the atrocious situation that exists in North-Korea.
This food might just as easily help the Kim's and the military to tighten their grasp on power.
They have their nukes. They have their obscene ammount of guns aimed at Seoul. They are still Orwellian on a scope that nobody would ever think was possible.
Again, people shouldn't treat this as some massive leap forward. If this trend continues, then you might begin to be a bit more optimistic. At this point, you are just setting yourself up for a dissapointment.
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On March 01 2012 03:09 CreatorGX wrote:
So they're basically trading physical, tangible items like food and other supplies for a promise to not go into nuclear works.
Regardless of how much writing this is in, I say we have weekly proof of this lack of nuclear "research." I'd sooner trust my crazy neighbors with such promises than North Korea with a still-somewhat-unpredictably-new leader.
Well, what we get is not necessarily intangible. IAEA inspectors will be allowed back into the country to conduct inspections on the main nuclear facilities in NK. So its not just a promise. I am not sure if with the new inspections also means the re application of the other safeguard mechanisms such as seals or cameras to monitor the facilities too.
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I wonder if the leftover generals will assassinate Kim Jung Un if he's too soft, or if they respect the "Dear Leader" aura enough to support his decisions.
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eh we'll see
i coulda sworn i read that kim jong il's successor (his son) is even more bad ass than his father
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On March 01 2012 03:01 251 wrote:
Same old same old, really
going to listen to this guy, seems like something to make him look better instead of helping the people out.
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I really have high hopes for Kim Jong-Un, so I'll be optimistic and hope for improvement in North Korea. Also it would be sad to see him go at such a young age.
Here's the thing - if North Korea just flips off everyone else enough times, eventually someone will get pissed off enough to either invade or forcibly remove their nukes. At some point they'll have to lay low at least for a while and stop being dicks to other countries.
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Meh this has happened before. The way NK words their agreements they can basically back out whenever they feel like it.
If the talks "stop going fruitfully" they can back out. That being said, its nice to see that jong-Un is at least willing to talk.
Hopefully this results in aid being given to the North Korean Citizens, who certainly could use it.
Obama said it well, "Important, But limited" steps
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Well to be honest it sounds very good. Communication with North Korea and foreign countries is nice to see as it shows kim jong un understands the importance of globalization for his nation and is willing to give up its weapons for it.
Like the choice
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On March 01 2012 03:48 iiGreetings wrote:
Well to be honest it sounds very good. Communication with North Korea and foreign countries is nice to see as it shows kim jong un understands the importance of globalization for his nation and is willing to give up its weapons for it.
Like the choice
It's just the same crap they've done forever. Everytime they get food shortage, they suddenly become friendly to get food and throw "sacred war" and "nuclear inferno" bullshit right after.
Nothing to comment, they are not opening themselves to the world, they won't lower their nuclear ambitions and they certainly won't stop pulling their stunts.
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On March 01 2012 02:46 Galaxy613 wrote:
It's probably just a bid to get more food for his army and do more offensive posturing later.
so what your saying is their damned if they do, and damned if they don't essentially?
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heard about this or at least the talks, they wanted tons of food and I guess US's speechcraft level was high enough for this result. good job
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On March 01 2012 03:00 cellblock wrote:
Meanwhile, U.S.A is nuking the shit out of the Pacific ocean.
I hope this is sarcasm. The US and Russia were the first countries to ban nuclear testing DECADES ago.
To the OP, the inspectors being allowed into the country is the big deal. The primary control mechanism for the N. Korean government is control of information into their country. If the inspectors are allowed to do their job that in of itself will be progress. But that's a big IF.
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Optimism is fine to have with this, just don't go betting the farm for this to work.
Granted Kim jong-Un is new, but he was picked by his father to keep legacy of Kim il-Sung (and by proxy Kim jong-Il) alive. Un is not the elder of Il's sons. In fact, he is the youngest. The eldest son and daughter of Kim jong-Il have/are publicly in opposition to the leadership in NK. So to think Un is going to be a reformer, it is unlikely (but not out of the realm of possibility).
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I would say Diplomacy is based more around mutual benefits than trust. For NK to be diplomatic, for the most part would have to go in a different direction than they are willing. To them Diplomacy doesnt have as much benefits as other countries who are on the same page.
NK might aswell have all their add stopped and then see how willing they are to curb their nuclear program. The aid isnt even being given to the people who need it. We bitch and moan about NK but yet we support them. We send MORE aid; why are we bending to them? Cut the aid, tell them to halt all nuclear programs if they want it returned. If we are supporting their military i dont see how we have a reason to bitch about it.
Just thinking out loud.
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On March 01 2012 02:46 Galaxy613 wrote:
It's probably just a bid to get more food for his army and do more offensive posturing later.
North Korea please don't troll us.
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