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It's IMO the best WWII Documentary by far, incredibly detailed.
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War It's IMO the best WWII Documentary by far, incredibly detailed. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Sorry i didn't get you then! Its early and i have only had a cup of coffee so far. ^_^ | ||
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Mvrio
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:21 DoubleReed wrote: By that I mean you have to justify both bombs. If I'm not mistaken, I thought Japan was willing to surrender after the first one, but they were still trying to figure out what the hell happened to their city. I think, with the red army entering the japanese war, the americans were pressed for a quick surrender in order to limit the soviet union's post-war influence in the region. By this time the military outcome of the war was pretty much decided. The political outcome, however, was not. On January 02 2012 19:44 dmnum wrote: I don't know if this has been posted yet but I would recommend to anyone interested in WWII to watch this documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War It's IMO the best WWII Documentary by far, incredibly detailed. I can only concur to this. Awesome series. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 02 2012 16:41 gchan wrote: I'd argue that Germans could have taken the East if they held off Operation Barbarossa until the Spring of 1942 or even 1943--once they had secured oil from the Middle East as well as rare mineral/rubber resources from central/southern Africa. There was no indication that the USSR would have broken the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Something has been playing a bit too much Hearts of Iron.... How were the Germans going to occupy Iran where the bulk of the British Oil was? They could barely support an armored corps in Africa. Even if they take the Suez they still have to cross Syria, Jordan and Iraq to get to the oil resources while the British control the ocean. | ||
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Mvrio
689 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:53 Mvrio wrote: Its cool, but BBC's the World at War is probably the greatest documentary ever on WW2 but 26 episodes at total running time over 22 hours not including the bonus extra episodes on Auschwitz, Hilter's Germany etc. with the DVDs is killer. and I have it all on my computer... 9.1 GBs haha Yeah, it's definitely not meant for people who are just mildly interested in WWII. However if you really like it you won't notice time passing while watching this series. | ||
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TheStonedGuest
United States19 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:21 DoubleReed wrote: By that I mean you have to justify both bombs. If I'm not mistaken, I thought Japan was willing to surrender after the first one, but they were still trying to figure out what the hell happened to their city. No, the Japanese Cabinet actually thought that the reports that Hiroshima had been destroyed by a single plane were completely false, and were deadset on continuing the war. Kind of silly since their very own investigator told them straight-up that all witnesses who survived said there was very clearly only a single plane, and then a gigantic, blinding flash of light, but that's what their aides recorded in the meeting transcriptions as them denying : / Also most regrettably the second bomb was necessary. They were only willing to surrender after the Soviets invaded Manchuria if four conditions were met: retention of the emperor, they were in charge of their own disarming, Japanese control of any war-crimes trials, and no Allied occupation of Japan. Even then, the entire Cabinet aside from Foreign Minister Togo was perfectly willing to continue the war if these were rejected. The second bomb gave them the impression that we actually had a half-dozen or so and were going to drop one every three days. That was the final nail in the coffin for them, at which point they accepted unconditional surrender (even then, the army nearly pulled off another coup to continue -_-). | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:32 Grettin wrote: And why was that? Oh yeah, because they weren't prepared and geared well enough! Anytime anyone loses it because they weren't prepared or geared enough... "You know, Andorra could have totally beat the USA in a war... if only they had more of everything. You can totally do better in wars by having more of everything." | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:17 DoubleReed wrote: While the Japanese atrocities were pretty horrid, I was under the impression that the Holocaust was quite simply larger. The holocaust was probably larger in terms of scale because hitler's goal was to systematically exterminate the jewish race while japan wasn't necessarily out to massacre all the chinese and korean people because china and korea served as fuel for their war against the US. Why japan is a lot worse than germany is because the things they did were so unimaginably horrifying. Just search "japanese war crimes" on google and prepare to throw up because you'll get into things like biological experiments on humans, cannibalism, mass rape, etc etc. It's disgusting, really. Some other examples: 1. Japan turned korea's royal palace into a public zoo (really? how immature can you be?) 2. Japan forced thousands of koreans and chinese for labor in japan and japanese colonies (note many of these people died from american fire bombings and later the a-bombs) 3. Japan systematically distorted korean artifacts, historical records, and archaeological sites to delete the koreans historical exploitations of japan, koreans' historical military victories over japan, and koreans' records of "primitive" and "uncultured" japan. The really sad thing is that japan today aren't even sorry for what they did. In fact a lot of japanese people don't even know what they did back in WWII. Germany makes the usage of the swastika illegal and they are totally apologetic about it so they get my respect. I think its unfair to blame the current generation of japanese people because it isn't their fault but I can totally understand if koreans or chinese never forgive japan even if the japanese government today suddenly made a full blown apology on the scale that germany did. They did too many bad things. | ||
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Reggiegigas
234 Posts
russia <3 | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On January 02 2012 23:07 white_horse wrote: The really sad thing is that japan today aren't even sorry for what they did. In fact a lot of japanese people don't even know what they did back in WWII. Germany makes the usage of the swastika illegal and they are totally apologetic about it so they get my respect. I think its unfair to blame the current generation of japanese people because it isn't their fault but I can totally understand if koreans or chinese never forgive japan even if the japanese government today suddenly made a full blown apology on the scale that germany did. They did too many bad things. How long does losing side needs to feel sorry about it? On January 03 2012 00:05 Reggiegigas wrote: I think russia was a pretty cool guy, eh sacrificed more lives for freedom than any other country ever and didn't afraid of anything. russia <3 I guess shelling their own guys and blaming it that Finland did it. Still cool? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote: How long does losing side needs to feel sorry about it? It's not that the people of Japan themselves should feel sorry about it (apart from the ones who were alive and took part in the atrocities), it's the fact that the Japanese government has never officially apologized for it like Germany did and the fact that they neglect to teach it in schools. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:44 dmnum wrote: I don't know if this has been posted yet but I would recommend to anyone interested in WWII to watch this documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War It's IMO the best WWII Documentary by far, incredibly detailed. Indeed I did ! On December 28 2011 05:28 Tufas wrote: if you have time at your hand and did not previously research anything on the II World war and you want to know the basics and more, watch the BBC series "The World at War" from the 60/70. Excellent production. But it is so awesome, as many people as possible should mention it anyway. And I think the BBC series are still a lot of basics and dates, there is much more to know. I can only recommend Ian Kershaw. Really good writing and stylistic in case you are worried if it is just going to be boring dates and facts. small fun-fact : In austria, our school books show that the II world war began in 1938, and not in 1939. Why ? Because everyone knows that austria was forcefully added to germany and was completely innocent. + Show Spoiler + HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA + Show Spoiler + such a sad, sad, true story | ||
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote: How long does losing side needs to feel sorry about it? They don't feel sorry about it. That's the whole point.... -_- | ||
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secretary bird
447 Posts
They are hardly undefeated in recent history but taking over all of that territory might be impossible, the Soviet Union was different though. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:46 secretary bird wrote: Russia lost in WW1, they lost against Poland and they lost against Japan, the Crimean War too. They are hardly undefeated in recent history but taking over all of that territory might be impossible, the Soviet Union was different though. They didn't really lose in WW1, they just had the nasty business of a revolution to deal with so decided they didn't want to take part in that war anymore. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:46 kaisen wrote: They don't feel sorry about it. That's the whole point.... -_- And they shouldnt feel sorry - that's his point (and I agree). The only thing which I can agree with the post is "in fact a lot of japanese people dont even know what they did back in WWII" - that should change (if it's true and they dont learn something like that in school). Learn history - so you dont repeat the mistakes yourself. But this applies to all people - I doubt the majority of the world population knows what Japan did in WWII (i.e. it wasnt part of my curriculum). | ||
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secretary bird
447 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:50 jello_biafra wrote: They didn't really lose in WW1, they just had the nasty business of a revolution to deal with so decided they didn't want to take part in that war anymore. They gave up a ton of territory and money for peace so thats losing to me. | ||
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