Mythbusters cannonball A cannonball fired by the "Mythbusters" TV show plowed through a Northern California house, struck the roof of another house and smashed through a minivan's window in a science experiment gone wrong.
The mishap occurred Tuesday while the Discovery Channel show was testing out whether other materials are just as effective as a cannonball when fired from a cannon.
Instead, the mythbusters learned how effective a cannonball can be when it misses its intended target, according to KGO-TV San Francisco.
The cannonball was fired from a bomb range in Dublin, about 35 miles east of San Francisco in Alameda County. It was supposed to hit trash cans but instead soared 700 yards into the home of a sleeping couple, leaving a 10-inch hole in the bedroom wall. The cannonball was traveling as fast as a bullet. It exited the house, bounced across four lanes of traffic, struck the roof of another house and then smashed through the window of a parked minivan.
No one was injured.
Neighbors said "MythBusters" often tries its experiments in the area, and they have grown used to hearing explosions.
Wow, that was really dangerous... I'm glad that noone got hurt.
But this might really hurt the show, I hope it doesn't gen canceled, but maybe they got too confident over time and forgot to take some extra precautions.
Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
THat is increidbly dangerous. But i hope it gets to air on TV!
I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad no one got hurt, and I'm sure Discovery or whomever will pay the damages, so assuming it airs, I'm looking forward to see behind the scenes of this incident.
Quite crazy that it got so far without doing any real harm. Yeah, I know ruining people's houses isn't good, but I'm sure the show makes enough money to rebuild it...
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
I never really like them. They are not even scientists, but special effect guys. They always see to have predetermined conclusions, and their methodology is often questionable, if not scientifically inaccurate: case in point, this cannon ball incident, the cowboy episode where a cowboy hits a moving target from a moving horse, where they decide that it is impossible to do so where in reality it is simply a matter of statistics, and the more you do it, say you are a cowboy gun slinger yourself, the more you are likely to achieve it. And there is also that ninja episode. Also, I really disliked how they treated the moon hoax episode. Too much Americanism while disregarding rigid scientific procedure.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Well cannon balls are kind of meant to go through things...
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
American houses are pretty much made out of paper lol
Going to be sued. Going to settle/reimbursed. Local news is the farthest this will reach, doubt it will hurt the show, doubt this was the first time this has happened.
Neighbors said "MythBusters" often tries its experiments in the area, and they have grown used to hearing explosions.
HAHAHA!
Well, thank god no one got hurt. Holy shit that sounded dangerous.
An overwhelming majority of all explosions Mythbusters detonates are there on the Alameda bomb range so it's not weird they have gotten used to big explosions taking place.
well i suppose this is in the pursuit of science u cant make an omelette without breaking a few eggs im sure they took precautionary measures but shit happens sometimes
I'm very glad that no one got hurt, especially because now I can imagine how awesome it looked to blast a modern home with a cannonball and I don't have to feel guilty about it. Imagine if you were that couple. How great would it be to be able to say that Mythbusters accidentally blew a hole through your house?
On December 08 2011 02:45 mordek wrote: The trash cans were supposed to stop it... ?
The concrete wall at the end of the range was supposed to stop it. If you actually watch the report it says it ripped through that.
If you actually watch the report It didnt say that was supposed to stop it, just that it ripped through it after they missed. Im sure there was a mound of dirt or something behind the trashcans.
Why americans sue everyone whenver they can It was an accident, no one was hurt, they apologies, you get to know them =) They pay for everything and there.... happy face everyone
On December 08 2011 03:10 therockmanxx wrote: Why americans sue everyone whenver they can It was an accident, no one was hurt, they apologies, you get to know them =) They pay for everything and there.... happy face everyone
On December 08 2011 02:55 Newbistic wrote: I hope Mythbusters wasn't bombarded by lawsuits afterwards, that would really put a hole in their reputation for safety.
I cannon derstand that sooner or later an accident like this would happen.
you deserve a medal or something XD
Stuff like this has happened before...they are banned from some other town, and they've been evicted from a couple of their workshops. Don't think anything has been as serious as an AWOL cannonball though.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
On December 08 2011 03:20 .V. wrote: Mythbusters seem careful, how could this happen?
Well when you do mass experiments, it's bound to happen one time or another. I'm sure it happens more times but definitely not this bad.
It's quite a problem though and i hope it won't lead to cancelling their show. Hopefully they'll just be restricted to more safe areas (further from residential area) or smth like that.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
American houses are pretty much made out of paper lol
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
Does this kind of complete stupidityand generalization not annoy anyone else? Lets just randomly insult every American because every derp-tard knows, everything America does is complete trash. What makes it better is that it's someone from Mexico and Portugal(clearly 0.5th world countries) confirming that yes, indeed, America sucks at buildings too.
To answer your question, yes, every single American home is made out of paper mache and cardboard. If you're lucky you might get some wood fragments glued together in your wall, and the 1% actually use the occasional nail and screw throughout the house. Sometimes birds and other things come crashing through several walls, so I have to go buy some printer paper and use some chewing gum to stick it back up over the hole. When a breeze over 20 mph comes, I have to evacuate and go to my back yard bomb shelter I have in case of nuclear war with Iran. I just hope my V16 4x4 Ford Truck doesn't get scratched by any flying debris, I can barely afford the gas since it uses about 3 gallons per mile, so I won't be able to repaint it if it does. GO MERCA!! USA!! USA!!!
Fortunately I live in a brick home, so I must be, like, one of the richest people in the US? I think I'm the president sometimes.
Back to the subject at hand, how does this happen if you have any kind of real safety controls at all? I know Mythbusters usually goes out of their way(seemingly) to make sure everything is safe, so i wonder what they overlooked with something so ridiculous as shooting stuff out of a cannon. I would think that would be a MAJOR undertaking as far as keeping everything safe, not just pointing it at a few garbage cans and a concrete wall and hoping for the best.
On December 08 2011 03:26 Sm3agol wrote:Sometimes birds and other things come crashing through several walls, so I have to go buy some printer paper and use some chewing gum to stick it back up over the hole. When a breeze over 20 mph comes, I have to evacuate and go to my back yard bomb shelter I have in case of nuclear war with Iran. I just hope my V16 4x4 Ford Truck doesn't get scratched by any flying debris, I can barely afford the gas since it uses about 3 gallons per mile, so I won't be able to repaint it if it does. GO MERCA!! USA!! USA!!!
I can't stop laughing over the images invoked in this paragraph, rofl.
Apparently it was an unlucky bounce, there is a huge dirt mound behind the concrete wall, the cannon ball hit it, bounced over, and flew into the neighborhood. 1/2 mile away.
To those who complain about the fact is went thought the house. You realise that when cannons were first used they build walls half a meter thick just to make sure it didnt go right through?
No single modern building will "resist" an old fasion cannonball
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
This is California. There are many earthquakes. That's why.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
American houses weren't made to withstand impacts from cannons.
On December 08 2011 03:24 Hrrrrm wrote: People need to keep in mind that this was NOT Adam and Jamie but, the three stooges(Kari, Grant, and Tory).
Honestly, makes no difference.
Mythbusters is more than 2 people.
It's usually always supervised by law enforcement anyway. Im sure no sort of egregious carelessness went on but just some freak accident.
THEY SHOT A CANNONBALL INTO SOMEONES HOUSE. Even pointing a gun(or cannon) in a direction where the room behind your target is not cleared, is a huge lapse of judgement. One of the first things you learn in shooting is to look behind your target. I would be furious if this happened to me, but lets just hope mythbusters pays up fast.
Also, American homes (modern ones) are usually made with drywall.that is about 1/2 to 3/4 in. thick (2 cm roughly) sandwiching a wood frame if anyone was curious. Older homes have plaster instead of drywall, which is much more durable.
On December 08 2011 03:24 Hrrrrm wrote: People need to keep in mind that this was NOT Adam and Jamie but, the three stooges(Kari, Grant, and Tory).
Honestly, makes no difference.
Mythbusters is more than 2 people.
It's usually always supervised by law enforcement anyway. Im sure no sort of egregious carelessness went on but just some freak accident.
THEY SHOT A CANNONBALL INTO SOMEONES HOUSE. Even pointing a gun(or cannon) in a direction where the room behind your target is not cleared, is a huge lapse of judgement. One of the first things you learn in shooting is to look behind your target. I would be furious if this happened to me, but lets just hope mythbusters pays up fast.
Yeah but that's not mythbusters fault. It's a police range, they're the ones who should be responsible for that.
On December 08 2011 02:34 CrimsonLotus wrote: But this might really hurt the show, I hope it doesn't gen canceled, but maybe they got too confident over time and forgot to take some extra precautions.
If anything this is just good press for them. More people will watch it as it will be thought of as more exciting.
On December 08 2011 03:24 Hrrrrm wrote: People need to keep in mind that this was NOT Adam and Jamie but, the three stooges(Kari, Grant, and Tory).
Honestly, makes no difference.
Mythbusters is more than 2 people.
It's usually always supervised by law enforcement anyway. Im sure no sort of egregious carelessness went on but just some freak accident.
THEY SHOT A CANNONBALL INTO SOMEONES HOUSE. Even pointing a gun(or cannon) in a direction where the room behind your target is not cleared, is a huge lapse of judgement. One of the first things you learn in shooting is to look behind your target. I would be furious if this happened to me, but lets just hope mythbusters pays up fast.
Then maybe you should have been present at the firing range to check behind their target.
This thread needs more Kari anyways and less arguing about shitty paper mache american mcmansions.
On December 08 2011 03:24 Hrrrrm wrote: People need to keep in mind that this was NOT Adam and Jamie but, the three stooges(Kari, Grant, and Tory).
Honestly, makes no difference.
Mythbusters is more than 2 people.
It's usually always supervised by law enforcement anyway. Im sure no sort of egregious carelessness went on but just some freak accident.
THEY SHOT A CANNONBALL INTO SOMEONES HOUSE. Even pointing a gun(or cannon) in a direction where the room behind your target is not cleared, is a huge lapse of judgement. One of the first things you learn in shooting is to look behind your target. I would be furious if this happened to me, but lets just hope mythbusters pays up fast.
it's not like there were houses right behind the concrete wall, there was a giant dirt mound to absorb any bad shots, the cannonball bouncing in such a way to go that far is indeed a freak accident.
On December 08 2011 03:24 Hrrrrm wrote: People need to keep in mind that this was NOT Adam and Jamie but, the three stooges(Kari, Grant, and Tory).
Honestly, makes no difference.
Mythbusters is more than 2 people.
It makes a HUGE world of difference if you've watched the show and how Adam and Jamie talk about having ABSOLUTE trust between each other but, that's not the case for the other three. The moment I heard about the accident I knew it couldn't of been Adam and Jamie because they don't fuck around EVER with something as serious as this. Obviously they'll still be held responsible since those three work for them.
Again Adam and Jamie are just on another level of caution than the other three. I just hope the show doesn't get irrevocably damaged and just glad they dodged a huge bullet with no one getting seriously hurt.
On December 08 2011 03:30 phant wrote: Apparently it was an unlucky bounce, there is a huge dirt mound behind the concrete wall, the cannon ball hit it, bounced over, and flew into the neighborhood. 1/2 mile away.
So Mythubsters follows the same safety protocol as a Boy Scout rifle ranged stocked with .22s? A dirt mound would suffice if you were target shooting normal guns but if you're going to launch a giant fuck-off cannonball, why are you anywhere near residential areas?
On December 08 2011 03:30 phant wrote: Apparently it was an unlucky bounce, there is a huge dirt mound behind the concrete wall, the cannon ball hit it, bounced over, and flew into the neighborhood. 1/2 mile away.
So Mythubsters follows the same safety protocol as a Boy Scout rifle ranged stocked with .22s? A dirt mound would suffice if you were target shooting normal guns but if you're going to launch a giant fuck-off cannonball, why are you anywhere near residential areas?
Because the Alameda bomb range is one of the few places where they can do this stuff legally.
At least nobody got hurt, more than likely they just were not very experienced with cannons and made a mistake a super mega gargantuan mistake that could have killed people.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
American houses are pretty much made out of paper lol
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
Does this kind of complete stupidityand generalization not annoy anyone else? Lets just randomly insult every American because every derp-tard knows, everything America does is complete trash. What makes it better is that it's someone from Mexico and Portugal(clearly 0.5th world countries) confirming that yes, indeed, America sucks at buildings too.
To answer your question, yes, every single American home is made out of paper mache and cardboard. If you're lucky you might get some wood fragments glued together in your wall, and the 1% actually use the occasional nail and screw throughout the house. Sometimes birds and other things come crashing through several walls, so I have to go buy some printer paper and use some chewing gum to stick it back up over the hole. When a breeze over 20 mph comes, I have to evacuate and go to my back yard bomb shelter I have in case of nuclear war with Iran. I just hope my V16 4x4 Ford Truck doesn't get scratched by any flying debris, I can barely afford the gas since it uses about 3 gallons per mile, so I won't be able to repaint it if it does. GO MERCA!! USA!! USA!!!
Fortunately I live in a brick home, so I must be, like, one of the richest people in the US? I think I'm the president sometimes.
Back to the subject at hand, how does this happen if you have any kind of real safety controls at all? I know Mythbusters usually goes out of their way(seemingly) to make sure everything is safe, so i wonder what they overlooked with something so ridiculous as shooting stuff out of a cannon. I would think that would be a MAJOR undertaking as far as keeping everything safe, not just pointing it at a few garbage cans and a concrete wall and hoping for the best.
Eh.. Just ignore it, you get used to seeing snide comments like that a lot. Honestly who cares? It's no secret that American homes aren't built with incredibly durable materials. You probably live in a house 5x bigger than theirs anyways gogo USA!
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
Yes, lets make our houses out of bricks in an earthquake zone. We'll be protected from random cannon accidents!
Really hope this doesn't impact the show too much. I can't imagine Discovery not paying anything the homeowners ask for in this case. Glad no one got hurt.
On December 08 2011 02:47 HaXXspetten wrote: Been a huge Mythbusters fan since their early days, nothing like this has ever happened before. Lucky nobody got hurt :o
there was this one episode where they launched a car and it landed pretty close to someone's backyard iirc.
and of course the episode where they blew c4 or anfo or something up and caused them to be banned from some small nevada town.
On December 08 2011 04:05 Anachromy wrote: I think the real question here is, why is a bomb range so close to a residential area? you'd think they'd space these kind of things out a bit more...
I'm pretty sure that the bomb range came first before the residential area.
I'm also sure that you could get a SUPER DEAL on a house in development being built near a bomb range!
I know that road and that neighborhood. :O They must've been at the top of the hill when they shot that cannon because damn that's a really far distance it went. In which case... what were they thinking?
yeah, I'm sure I'm not the only person who has either slammed a door too hard or punched a wall for some reason, resulting in it being broken wide open.
Let me get something straight. They shoot a cannonball at a few garbage cans full of water, fully expecting it to stop. When in reality, The ball went through 1) A concrete wall 2)A house 3) Another house 4) Off a roof 5) Into a car. How solid are these garbage cans? Seems like they won't be aiming at residential neighbourhoods anymore.
On December 08 2011 02:42 LlOoKkIi wrote: I cant believe this actually happened. Lucky no one go hurt.
When I used to watch the show it seemed like they always took the biggest safety precautions before doing tests.
lol you make me chuckle. mythbusters always took the barest of safety precautions and all of their experiments were incredibly flawed anyway. talk about having no control variables or even any basic logic.
On December 08 2011 04:27 Puph wrote: Let me get something straight. They shoot a cannonball at a few garbage cans full of water, fully expecting it to stop. When in reality, The ball went through 1) A concrete wall 2)A house 3) Another house 4) Off a roof 5) Into a car. How solid are these garbage cans? Seems like they won't be aiming at residential neighbourhoods anymore.
Umm, the point is the water.
You know how water can stop a full speed bullet in 3-5 feet? Same general principle with any projectiles.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Both are true, drywall is literally paper, i mean if you were angry enough you could probably punch a hole that big in someones house eventually. My house has plasterboard (really old shit but its thick) and I was still able to punch clean through a double sheet of it when taking down a wall to make my kitchen bigger.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
On December 08 2011 02:55 iG.Zeep wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:43 Skilledblob wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
American houses are pretty much made out of paper lol
On December 08 2011 03:19 shell wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:43 Skilledblob wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
Does this kind of complete stupidityand generalization not annoy anyone else? Lets just randomly insult every American because every derp-tard knows, everything America does is complete trash. What makes it better is that it's someone from Mexico and Portugal(clearly 0.5th world countries) confirming that yes, indeed, America sucks at buildings too.
To answer your question, yes, every single American home is made out of paper mache and cardboard. If you're lucky you might get some wood fragments glued together in your wall, and the 1% actually use the occasional nail and screw throughout the house. Sometimes birds and other things come crashing through several walls, so I have to go buy some printer paper and use some chewing gum to stick it back up over the hole. When a breeze over 20 mph comes, I have to evacuate and go to my back yard bomb shelter I have in case of nuclear war with Iran. I just hope my V16 4x4 Ford Truck doesn't get scratched by any flying debris, I can barely afford the gas since it uses about 3 gallons per mile, so I won't be able to repaint it if it does. GO MERCA!! USA!! USA!!!
Fortunately I live in a brick home, so I must be, like, one of the richest people in the US? I think I'm the president sometimes.
Back to the subject at hand, how does this happen if you have any kind of real safety controls at all? I know Mythbusters usually goes out of their way(seemingly) to make sure everything is safe, so i wonder what they overlooked with something so ridiculous as shooting stuff out of a cannon. I would think that would be a MAJOR undertaking as far as keeping everything safe, not just pointing it at a few garbage cans and a concrete wall and hoping for the best.
Eh.. Just ignore it, you get used to seeing snide comments like that a lot. Honestly who cares? It's no secret that American homes aren't built with incredibly durable materials. You probably live in a house 5x bigger than theirs anyways gogo USA!
Why the whole rant? The fact that American houses tend to be prefab wood is a generalization? I'm mighty sure that there are brick american houses, they are in very few number compared to wooden houses though.
Hmm. Let me see... in addition to the stringent requirements their insurance companies force them to follow, this particular incident was also supervised by trained EOD law enforcement technicians (JD - you've seen him on the show before), no doubt with EMTs and the fire department on quick response standby (again, insurance companies have no concept of "fun" when it comes to statistical chances of potential fatality), a hoard of checks, double checks, and safety checks on their safety checks (yeah, Tori, Grant, and Kari LOOK like they're more fancy and care free... it's called editing), they set up in one of the few places where shooting off a cannon at an object may be legal in the state of CA, and if you look at an aerial view of the Alameda County Bomb Range (where they have in the past detonated microwaves, fuel/air mixtures of non-dairy creamer and sawdust, water heater "rockets", grenades, etc) one of the few places where there is a significant earthen berm (not unlike what you would find in, for example, a medieval castle's outer defenses) as a backstop to the concrete backstop in front of the targets, they actually were taking quite reasonable precautions. The cannon was not in any way aimed at the houses - any reasonable individual would expect the cannon ball to have been stopped by the various safety measures in place. That said, probability plays no favorites, and a cannonball in motion will tend to stay in motion... lots of motion. Gladly no one was injured, and I'm certain the insurance will pay all damages. Unfortunately, Kari isn't pregnant so they can't use the "pregnant lady" defense that meant they only got banned from that one town back when they were doing "Knock your socks off" in the quarry. The crew and Alameda EOD team may have to re-frame what types of experiments are allowed in their facility - but I don't see this as stopping their show.
Hell, there are people that do this without all the safety precautions except for "No way man, it can't possibly go that far..." that don't wind up in jail. (Sometimes they do.) Things happen - this cannon ball took an amazing bounce (it traveled quite a distance just to get from the bomb range into the neighborhood) they probably couldn't replicate if they tried.
Also, yes... if you are dissing the construction of houses in subdivisions... It's a house. Built to code to withstand earthquakes, help slow down fires, and stand up to some wind. Building codes do not require being able to withstand a cannon shot. Or even gunshots. Remember, these cannon were used to shoot through the solid wooden walls of a ship several inches thick, could pass completely through a ship's mast the size of a telephone pole, and were designed to blast down thick walls of masonry. 2x4 studs placed every 16" sandwiched by siding and plywood on one side, with drywall and maybe some insulation on the other side, just ain't gonna cut it. Maybe if they had kevlar sheathing over the plywood, but that's expensive and very rarely used.
Ninja Edit: Also, I did not win a ladder match last night using a cannon rush when this happened. I swear.
this reminds me of when the three inadvertently launched a remote controlled car doing like 70 mph over the edge of a parking lot, not knowing what was down the hill on the other side. oops!
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
On December 08 2011 02:55 iG.Zeep wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:43 Skilledblob wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
American houses are pretty much made out of paper lol
On December 08 2011 03:19 shell wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:43 Skilledblob wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
Does this kind of complete stupidityand generalization not annoy anyone else? Lets just randomly insult every American because every derp-tard knows, everything America does is complete trash. What makes it better is that it's someone from Mexico and Portugal(clearly 0.5th world countries) confirming that yes, indeed, America sucks at buildings too.
To answer your question, yes, every single American home is made out of paper mache and cardboard. If you're lucky you might get some wood fragments glued together in your wall, and the 1% actually use the occasional nail and screw throughout the house. Sometimes birds and other things come crashing through several walls, so I have to go buy some printer paper and use some chewing gum to stick it back up over the hole. When a breeze over 20 mph comes, I have to evacuate and go to my back yard bomb shelter I have in case of nuclear war with Iran. I just hope my V16 4x4 Ford Truck doesn't get scratched by any flying debris, I can barely afford the gas since it uses about 3 gallons per mile, so I won't be able to repaint it if it does. GO MERCA!! USA!! USA!!!
Fortunately I live in a brick home, so I must be, like, one of the richest people in the US? I think I'm the president sometimes.
Back to the subject at hand, how does this happen if you have any kind of real safety controls at all? I know Mythbusters usually goes out of their way(seemingly) to make sure everything is safe, so i wonder what they overlooked with something so ridiculous as shooting stuff out of a cannon. I would think that would be a MAJOR undertaking as far as keeping everything safe, not just pointing it at a few garbage cans and a concrete wall and hoping for the best.
Eh.. Just ignore it, you get used to seeing snide comments like that a lot. Honestly who cares? It's no secret that American homes aren't built with incredibly durable materials. You probably live in a house 5x bigger than theirs anyways gogo USA!
Why the whole rant? The fact that American houses tend to be prefab wood is a generalization? I'm mighty sure that there are brick american houses, they are in very few number compared to wooden houses though.
Depends on the area honestly. Most of the areas I've lived in have been predominantly brick, some stone.
While I was there, stories were circulating of the US army missing the shooting range, and hitting a kindergarden, albeit on the weekend, but I can't find anything about that right now.
About the houses - you can't generalize about the United States. The US is so big that depending on what the dangers are of natural disasters they build houses out of different material. In California you aren't allowed to build residential homes entirely out of brick as I understand it (because of earthquakes).
Back on topic - so ridiculous that this cannon ball was able to go through so much lmao. I would think it would stop in the house somewhere...
So it went through a concrete wall, through a house, bounced several times and still managed to bash a car... Kind of makes you respect 17th centure soldiers even more . I still don't quite understand how it went so wrong, they've done many experiments where you had to be better prepared :/
On December 08 2011 05:29 driftme wrote: this reminds me of when the three inadvertently launched a remote controlled car doing like 70 mph over the edge of a parking lot, not knowing what was down the hill on the other side. oops!
If you mean the episode where they tested cars going trough fruit stands and stuff like that, it was not really remote controlled but towed by a company (at the companys test site) that does that kind of crash tests for living. Im sure the company did knew whats behind the hill.
Well they certainly proved a cannon ball can go straight through someones house, bounce off someones roof and go straight through a van window minutes after the guy got out. Oh....that wasn't the myth? .... kinda awkward....
Someone is going to have a field day in court. Hope the show doesn't get cancelled over it; but I also hope this never happens again, because that could have gone from mildly amusing property damage to man slaughter really quick.
The afternoon calm was shattered as Mighty Mouse rockets fell on downtown Palmdale. Edna Carlson was at home with her six-year-old son William when a chunk of shrapnel burst through her front window, bounced off the ceiling, pierced a wall, and finally came to rest in a pantry cupboard. Another fragment passed through J. R. Hingle's garage and home, nearly hitting Mrs. Lilly Willingham as she sat on the couch. A Leona Valley teenager, Larry Kempton, was driving west on Palmdale Boulevard with his mother in the passenger seat when a rocket exploded on the street in front of him. Fragments blew out his left front tire, and put numerous holes in the radiator, hood, windshield, and even the firewall. Miraculously, no one was injured by any of the falling rockets. Explosive Ordnance Disposal teams later recovered 13 duds in the vicinity of Palmdale. It took 500 firefighters two days to bring the brushfires under control.
good thing no one got hurt. I haven't really kept up with it but mythbusters is a very good timewaster tv show in that it is interesting. I would be interested if they made a whole episode solely about htis incident focusing on the failures / sources of error etc.
On December 08 2011 06:14 dAPhREAk wrote: guess this is why they have so much insurance. great show; hope this doesnt cancel it.
No chance. If someone was hurt that would be a different story, but there is no chance the property damage cancels the show.
Maybe, but I hope their insurance company doesn't pull out afterwards-- they had a really good record going into this, but now it might be harder for a company to justify covering them.
Wait, didn't they do something like this with cheese? I think it's pretty obvious you can do this with other materials if it's dense enough, don't see why they needed to do this when something went this wrong.
On December 08 2011 05:47 Mzimzim wrote: did they expect a concrete wall to stop a cannon? aren't cannons made to destroy shit like that?
lol so many people can't even read a story. Just jump to conclusions about negligence.
It wasn't just a wall, or just some trash cans. It was trash cans filled with water, with a concrete wall behind it, with a safety berm behind that. It missed the water cans, blasted through the wall, hit the safety berm, and took an incredibly unlikely bounce off of it to fly into the neighborhood that was 700 yards past the range.
"A Public Information Officer and bomb technician for the Alameda County Sheriff’s office, who is a regular safety explosives expert for MythBusters, was on site and all proper safety protocol was observed."
"Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy," said Sgt. J.D. Nelson, a spokesman for the Alameda County Sheriff's Department. "You wouldn't think it was possible."
link Not exactly sure why I can't get the image to show for me but this is a google earth image with measurement to nearest residential area from the most common mythbusters test site. I am not exactly sure if this is the location where the cannon was fired but it the [Probable] location based on the information given.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I can't believe this happened considering the usual safety precautions the mythbusters take. I am really glad that nobody got hurt and I pray that the show won't get canceled or slowed in any way.
Funny dichotomy of statements in this thread. Some saying "LOL they thought a cannon ball would be stopped by a concrete wall!?" and others saying "LOL what's that house made of? paper!?"
On December 08 2011 05:47 Mzimzim wrote: did they expect a concrete wall to stop a cannon? aren't cannons made to destroy shit like that?
lol so many people can't even read a story. Just jump to conclusions about negligence.
It wasn't just a wall, or just some trash cans. It was trash cans filled with water, with a concrete wall behind it, with a safety berm behind that. It missed the water cans, blasted through the wall, hit the safety berm, and took an incredibly unlikely bounce off of it to fly into the neighborhood that was 700 yards past the range.
"A Public Information Officer and bomb technician for the Alameda County Sheriff’s office, who is a regular safety explosives expert for MythBusters, was on site and all proper safety protocol was observed."
"Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy," said Sgt. J.D. Nelson, a spokesman for the Alameda County Sheriff's Department. "You wouldn't think it was possible."
Sounds like some sort of extremely unlikely and freaky accident.
On December 08 2011 04:54 Warrior Madness wrote: Lawsuit: Plausible.
If i was the mythbuster's legal team which i would guess expects smaller stuff like this to happen on a yearly basis i would treat those people with the utmost respect and pay for damages to be fixed if not completely replace them with nicer items such as the roofing tiles and the car as long as they sign to not sue them. As those people could sue them together making a viable lawsuit much easier for the people claiming damages. As a person, well although i have my complaints about mythbusters and how they operate their show does promote somewhat the basis for science and so i would be more lenient on them and accept it on a personal level, but if this was just some faceless company i'd sue them to get more out of it even though it would take longer.
I'm pretty sure the most fucked up part of this whole debacle, is the family not waking up while the cannon ball blew the door off its hinges, ricocheted up the stairs, and exited through the fucking wall.
It was Jamie and Adam, with the cannon ball, in the bedroom wall.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
we all live in stucco, drywall with a hint of paper mache houses in the states that are cheap and fast to build. I'm sure all the castles people in Germany live in would hold up much better. After all, they're used to getting cannons chucked at them for hundreds and hundreds of years!
See, I think mythbusters sucks so I'm happy to see this.
All these people going "OH MAN, I LOVE THE HOSTS, THEY ARE SO CAREFUL, AWWW, WOW POOR GUYS" make me sick. Man they are TV personalities not your best buddies. If i shot a cannonball through people's houses, I would probably end up in prison even if I didn't hurt anyone. I hope the show gets fucked hard over this.
Then again its TV, mouthbreathers will probably eat this shit up and make the show more money/viewers than ever before. sigh.
On December 08 2011 07:19 darkscream wrote: See, I think mythbusters sucks so I'm happy to see this.
All these people going "OH MAN, I LOVE THE HOSTS, THEY ARE SO CAREFUL, AWWW, WOW POOR GUYS" make me sick. Man they are TV personalities not your best buddies. If i shot a cannonball through people's houses, I would probably end up in prison even if I didn't hurt anyone. I hope the show gets fucked hard over this.
Then again its TV, mouthbreathers will probably eat this shit up and make the show more money/viewers than ever before. sigh.
You seem like a very friendly, happy person.
They followed all safety procedures, had 3 barriers to stop the cannon, and fired it on a range with permission from the sheriff's office. It's not like they pointed the cannon at a town and fired it at houses.
Not sure why you would "hope the show gets fucked hard," or why you think only stupid people watch television. I suggest you lighten up or you won't last long on this site.
On December 08 2011 07:23 RogerX wrote: I don't even know how I would react if I saw a cannonball in my van?
Modern pirates?
Believe it or not, I knew some kids in high school that rigged an old sailboat up as a mini-pirate ship, complete with mini cannon that launched objects around a grapefruit in size. They would sail up and down the Maumee river, and one kid became quite the cannon marksman, as he would target practice with the permission of the local police. Weird shit goes down in NW small town Ohio haha.
On December 08 2011 07:23 RogerX wrote: I don't even know how I would react if I saw a cannonball in my van?
Modern pirates?
Believe it or not, I knew some kids in high school that rigged an old sailboat up as a mini-pirate ship, complete with mini cannon that launched objects around a grapefruit in size. They would sail up and down the Maumee river, and one kid became quite the cannon marksman, as he would target practice with the permission of the local police. Weird shit goes down in NW small town Ohio haha.
In all seriousness, very glad no one got hurt. Looking towards the future it seems like one of those situations where something dangerous happens, no one gets hurt, and it may or may not become hugely popular and referenced in the future.
On December 08 2011 03:10 therockmanxx wrote: Why americans sue everyone whenver they can It was an accident, no one was hurt, they apologies, you get to know them =) They pay for everything and there.... happy face everyone
I like how you managed to fit countrybashing in that post even though this has nothing to do with america.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
Bricks major weakness is seismic activity. (Mythbusters is filmed in California - where earthquakes occur frequently)
I can't wait to see the blooper reel What kind of expressions and comments did the myth busters crew make? Also, what if they put a camera on the cannan ball? That would be amazing footage!
On December 08 2011 02:42 ishboh wrote: wow thats crazy. hope it doesn't hurt the show too much...other than make them take extra precautions next time.
Please, this will help ratings more then hurt them. And Mythbusters have insurance specificlly to cover "oh shit went wrong" stuff like this.
I thought these guys were pretty smart and cautious even with the wilder experiments but firing a cannon near where people live, guess they weren't thinking too hard at the time.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
Bricks major weakness is seismic activity. (Mythbusters is filmed in California - where earthquakes occur frequently)
Not to mention you would rather have a bunch of wood fall on you than a bunch of bricks. Bricks are used, just not on top of faultlines.
I'm amazed it went so far, even for a cannon ball. I mean it went through the concrete wall at the end and still went hundreds and hundreds of feet. You'd think MythBusters would have these things foreseen; rather unlike them o.O
I feel like this had to happen at some point... Considering the amount of crazy shit they've done, I even find it amazing how it took them so long to fuck up a little. Good thing nobody was hurt!
It would have been a world of shit if someone had gotten hurt, with at lot of people including net executives going to jail and all that. Good thing that wasn't the case, but they've really got to take more precautions.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
Bricks major weakness is seismic activity. (Mythbusters is filmed in California - where earthquakes occur frequently)
Not to mention you would rather have a bunch of wood fall on you than a bunch of bricks. Bricks are used, just not on top of faultlines.
Well, I lived in Nashville where most houses were wood and no chance of earthquakes (and really small chance of tornadoes). Wood houses are cheaper and faster to build, yeah.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Whats more likly to happen is the damage is repaired and a cash settlement is made to those suffering damage.
Not a single second will be spend in jail by any member of the team.
On December 08 2011 02:38 PassiveAce wrote: Holy Crap! Im sure that that whoever is responsible is beating themselves up over this. I am so glad that no one was killed, because it easily could have happened. What a tremendous mistake, pointing a loaded cannon towards a residential neighborhood.
it's more like how could they miss a row of trashcans filled with water hit through a concrete wall and through another house and the god damn canonball did still not stop.
Sounds like they used way too much blackpowder or american houses are made out of paper.
Yep american houses are made out of paper and wood lol
I still dont completely understand why this is the case. Why dont they just use bricks ? It's way stronger, less maintenance. Is it just cause it's cheaper and faster to build ?
Bricks major weakness is seismic activity. (Mythbusters is filmed in California - where earthquakes occur frequently)
Look if it blew through a cement wall a whole house onto someones roof and through a van. They would need to build a house made a of brick, except no room in the house. Just a house size full of brick.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
I'm sure they followed all the normal precautions. If not, they could be sued/prosecuted for negligence. And if a private person followed the same precautions, they wouldn't get sued/prosecuted either.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
People like you give me so much enjoyment.
If a private person got the same permits and undertook the same precautions as Mythbusters did they'd be in the same position. Perhaps the most noteworthy difference would be that most people would assume these precautions were not taken from someone they'd never heard of. This is, however, not interesting as far as the law goes. They'd be judged the same way, and as this was from what I understand a freak accident there's probably not going to be any suing to begin with, and even less so any criminal indictments.. Even if Discovery probably will pay for damages and try to save as much face as possible.
If a private person just fired a cannon randomly in some suburban neighbourhood, though, they'd obviously be charged with reckless endagerment among other things. But that would happen to Mythbusters too, had that been the case.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
They are not receiving any special treatment. If a private person had done the same thing (employ several experts, fire the cannon at an approved location, take every possible safety precaution) then they would not be in any more trouble. They would be if it was just a dumbass firing a cannon out of his backyard, which is an entirely different scenario.
No one will receive any jail time for this and it is ridiculous to suggest that it is appropriate. This was an accident, plain and simple.
If you're driving your car, hit an icy spot in the road and lose control and damage another car... should you spend time in jail? You did nothing wrong, but something bad happened that could have injured someone, do you deserve years in prison? Of course not.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
Problem with speculating of whos fault this was and what happens to show and so on is, that we don´t really know what happened. It´s not like they accidently fired the cannon while it was pointing 180dec wrong direction, more likely its wheel broke 1sec before firing or something like that.
And even if someone is sent to jail, mythbusters got loads of experience of how to get out.
On December 08 2011 02:44 Keyboard Warrior wrote: I never really like them. They are not even scientists, but special effect guys. They always see to have predetermined conclusions, and their methodology is often questionable, if not scientifically inaccurate: case in point, this cannon ball incident, the cowboy episode where a cowboy hits a moving target from a moving horse, where they decide that it is impossible to do so where in reality it is simply a matter of statistics, and the more you do it, say you are a cowboy gun slinger yourself, the more you are likely to achieve it. And there is also that ninja episode. Also, I really disliked how they treated the moon hoax episode. Too much Americanism while disregarding rigid scientific procedure.
It's a reality show about explosions and weird myths. Can't you just enjoy it without picking apart everything they do?
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
you are a moron. accidents happen, no one was hurt = no jail time.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
I'm sure they followed all the normal precautions. If not, they could be sued/prosecuted for negligence. And if a private person followed the same precautions, they wouldn't get sued/prosecuted either.
There are no "standard" precautions for what they're doing. All we know is, they didn't have enough precautions and can/should be sued/prosecuted for negligence. They put unknowing bystanders in mortal danger and no ammount of "normal precautions" can forgive that, legally or morally. They shouldn't do what they do if there's a remote chance of someone getting hurt (except maybe the production crew themselves).
I was gonna respond to about a million misinformed posts in this thread but then found that other people already had, so now I really have nothing else to say haha.
Glad no one got hurt though, and hopefully this doesn't hurt the show too much. Although it's not too scientific, it's still a lot of fun to watch.
Also that's my local news! Since I live about an hour away from where this happened.
Well I really like the show (last months I spend my free time watching starcraft rather than sit in front of tv though), but this was way too much. Why the hell do the do this stuff in a neighbourhood? They can afford to blow up lots of expensive things so why cant they move somewhere safer? It would be really shame if this caused halt of the show, but they clearly deserve it. You cant just say "well nobody got hurt so whats the deal." Cannon is a weapon made to kill and according to the news, they werent far from it. They deserve some kind of punishment and shouldnt get any special treatment just because they are tv persons. I think even jail should be considered
The place where they did this is probably the only place where they CAN do this... Yes obviously someone made a mistake (actually someone made a fundamental mistake, almost every student of history would be able to tell them that they'd need a massive amount of sandbags or an earthen wall to stop a cannonball) but since no one was harmed and they got the proper permits (which shows that the people issueing those also have no clue about history) any question about jail time is simply idiotic.
On December 08 2011 09:56 Archie_Lewis wrote: Well I really like the show (last months I spend my free time watching starcraft rather than sit in front of tv though), but this was way too much. Why the hell do the do this stuff in a neighbourhood? They can afford to blow up lots of expensive things so why cant they move somewhere safer? It would be really shame if this caused halt of the show, but they clearly deserve it. You cant just say "well nobody got hurt so whats the deal." Cannon is a weapon made to kill and according to the news, they werent far from it. They deserve some kind of punishment and shouldnt get any special treatment just because they are tv persons. I think even jail should be considered
They were at a bomb range designated specifically for doing these types of things. It's probably the safest area possible already, not to mention the only place that's legal. The houses were quite far away. It was a freak accident that the cannonball happened to ricochet and go over to the houses. They were under the supervision of police, fire department, and many other officials while doing this. They had complete permission to do it.
Not to mention the houses were most likely built AFTER the bomb range was already there, and were probably sold for cheap under the pretense of "it's close to a bomb range so you might be bothered with some explosion sounds sometimes, but it will be cheaper because of that" which means the owners of the houses knew full well about living next to a bomb range when buying the house, though I'm sure they never expected something like this.
On December 08 2011 09:56 Archie_Lewis wrote: Well I really like the show (last months I spend my free time watching starcraft rather than sit in front of tv though), but this was way too much. Why the hell do the do this stuff in a neighbourhood? They can afford to blow up lots of expensive things so why cant they move somewhere safer? It would be really shame if this caused halt of the show, but they clearly deserve it. You cant just say "well nobody got hurt so whats the deal." Cannon is a weapon made to kill and according to the news, they werent far from it. They deserve some kind of punishment and shouldnt get any special treatment just because they are tv persons. I think even jail should be considered
They did the experiment at the same bomb range they've done a bunch of other experiments, not a neighborhood. The cannonball took a bad bounce over a gigantic dirt mound. Likewise, because they took reasonable (read: all possible) safety precautions there is little legal action to be taken against them.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
I'm sure they followed all the normal precautions. If not, they could be sued/prosecuted for negligence. And if a private person followed the same precautions, they wouldn't get sued/prosecuted either.
There are no "standard" precautions for what they're doing. All we know is, they didn't have enough precautions and can/should be sued/prosecuted for negligence. They put unknowing bystanders in mortal danger and no ammount of "normal precautions" can forgive that, legally or morally. They shouldn't do what they do if there's a remote chance of someone getting hurt (except maybe the production crew themselves).
They've done these types of things numerous times. There are definitely standard precautions. The government gave them permits to perform such an act, so they didn't feel there was a legitimate public threat. I'm not one to say the governments always right, but if they permitted it then the MythBusters certainly can't be held liable. I feel like I'm getting trolled here.
On December 08 2011 02:44 Keyboard Warrior wrote: I never really like them. They are not even scientists, but special effect guys. They always see to have predetermined conclusions, and their methodology is often questionable, if not scientifically inaccurate: case in point, this cannon ball incident, the cowboy episode where a cowboy hits a moving target from a moving horse, where they decide that it is impossible to do so where in reality it is simply a matter of statistics, and the more you do it, say you are a cowboy gun slinger yourself, the more you are likely to achieve it. And there is also that ninja episode. Also, I really disliked how they treated the moon hoax episode. Too much Americanism while disregarding rigid scientific procedure.
It's a reality show about explosions and weird myths. Can't you just enjoy it without picking apart everything they do?
the guy you're quoting is named "keyboard warrior". you've gotta see it coming
I love the Mythbusters, but they should have never even considered using a bomb range so close in proximity to ANYTHING containing people. Why couldn't they just make a range out in the boonies with miles and miles of clearance? I've seen them in such places on past episodes... oh well, somebody is going to lose their shit over this.
WTF were the trash cans going to do even if they hit them?
I can't believe Mythbusters of all people did something so stupid lol
it should slow it down. Water and the trash bin would be send off flying everywhere the velocity of the cannon ball should drop significantly. Water will provide large frictional force to retard the incoming object (or Viscosity). Assuming that there are lot of trash bins to buffer the hit.
any news on the result, consequence of the failed stunt? Endangering the lives of the people in the neighbourhood, something is bound to get cancelled. Add to op when the news comes out
On December 08 2011 11:08 NMx.StyX wrote: any news on the result, consequence of the failed stunt? Endangering the lives of the people in the neighbourhood, something is bound to get cancelled. Add to op when the news comes out
The chances of them getting canceled are pretty slim, to be honest. Had someone actually got hurt, or had they been lax in their usual mounds of precaution, maybe. But all signs and their history, as well as all people involved indicate it was far more of a freak accident than gross negligence on their part.
Tie that in with the Mythbusters being one of their most popular shows by a reasonable amount and the personalities on the show being the types to make double sure something like this never happens again, and you end up with Discovery having little rhyme or reason to shut them down, though this will probably hurt what the network will allow them to do in a noticable way.
WTF were the trash cans going to do even if they hit them?
I can't believe Mythbusters of all people did something so stupid lol
They were filled with water. Tons and tons of water. Water has some of the most stopping power out of anything else ever. Just like how shooting a gun into water, the bullet stops at only ~3 feet. They weren't just trashcans.
Wow, they are extremely lucky no one got hurt. If that happened, the show would probably have been shut down. They really have to take better precautions in the future, though. Carelessness like that is dangerous :/
On December 08 2011 10:03 Angra wrote: Not to mention the houses were most likely built AFTER the bomb range was already there, and were probably sold for cheap under the pretense of "it's close to a bomb range so you might be bothered with some explosion sounds sometimes, but it will be cheaper because of that" which means the owners of the houses knew full well about living next to a bomb range when buying the house, though I'm sure they never expected something like this.
Actually, out of curiosity I happened to look up this area on Google Maps, and then again on Zillow. These homes that back up to a bomb range (and a jail on the other side of that)... they're valued in the price range of $500,000 to $700,000.
It's actually in a nicer area of California that's less densely populated, with forests and mountain ranges on the edge of the town.
On December 08 2011 11:08 NMx.StyX wrote: any news on the result, consequence of the failed stunt? Endangering the lives of the people in the neighbourhood, something is bound to get cancelled. Add to op when the news comes out
The chances of them getting canceled are pretty slim, to be honest. Had someone actually got hurt, or had they been lax in their usual mounds of precaution, maybe. But all signs and their history, as well as all people involved indicate it was far more of a freak accident than gross negligence on their part.
Tie that in with the Mythbusters being one of their most popular shows by a reasonable amount and the personalities on the show being the types to make double sure something like this never happens again, and you end up with Discovery having little rhyme or reason to shut them down, though this will probably hurt what the network will allow them to do in a noticable way.
Yeah, I really think people are overreacting. Sure, this was a serious accident that could have killed someone... but so is a car accident. The company behind Mythbusters will have to pay for all of the repairs plus some kind of settlement to a family or two (particularly the one whose car and home was hit hard), but that's it. No million dollar lawsuits, no jail sentences, no show cancellations.
It was just an accident, and should be treated just like a car accident due to faulty brakes or something like that.
On December 08 2011 10:03 Angra wrote: Not to mention the houses were most likely built AFTER the bomb range was already there, and were probably sold for cheap under the pretense of "it's close to a bomb range so you might be bothered with some explosion sounds sometimes, but it will be cheaper because of that" which means the owners of the houses knew full well about living next to a bomb range when buying the house, though I'm sure they never expected something like this.
Actually, out of curiosity I happened to look up this area on Google Maps, and then again on Zillow. These homes that back up to a bomb range (and a jail on the other side of that)... they're valued in the price range of $500,000 to $700,000.
It's actually in a nicer area of California that's less densely populated, with forests and mountain ranges on the edge of the town.
Any house around the bay area that's 2 story that's been built in like the past 10 years fall around the 400 to 700k range. it's not really about how nice the houses are but how good the location is.
On December 08 2011 12:54 TheAmazombie wrote: Haha. This is hilarious, but at the same time I am surprised that they have not had more major accidents like this. Keep it up Jamie and Adam!
This is pretty much how I see the whole thing. I mean, yeah, wow, near miss glad no one was hurt but in the grand scale of things.. the responses I'm reading are a tad ridiculous. Oh shut them down! I hope they don't get canceled! How dangerous! What are they crazy?
People die in horrible accidents every day, some serious and some not. This is the latter. I'm glad everyone is okay but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
It would be nice if Discovery and History returned to their original purpose of providing educational TV instead of this though. As of right now the only time I turn on the television is to watch sports and check the weather. If I don't feel like using my phone or computer..
On December 08 2011 13:06 homer001 wrote: wonder how much they gonna get sued for
Garunteed we will NEVER find out. Public companys almost always settle out of court and get the victim to voluntarily sign a NDA about the settlement. Victims usally agree because of the huge amount of money they save in legal fees
On December 08 2011 10:03 Angra wrote: Not to mention the houses were most likely built AFTER the bomb range was already there, and were probably sold for cheap under the pretense of "it's close to a bomb range so you might be bothered with some explosion sounds sometimes, but it will be cheaper because of that" which means the owners of the houses knew full well about living next to a bomb range when buying the house, though I'm sure they never expected something like this.
Actually, out of curiosity I happened to look up this area on Google Maps, and then again on Zillow. These homes that back up to a bomb range (and a jail on the other side of that)... they're valued in the price range of $500,000 to $700,000.
It's actually in a nicer area of California that's less densely populated, with forests and mountain ranges on the edge of the town.
I'm sure they're still really pricey, as they are nice homes, but I'd still be willing to bet that they would be even more expensive if they weren't next to the bomb range and jail. :p
WTF were the trash cans going to do even if they hit them?
I can't believe Mythbusters of all people did something so stupid lol
it should slow it down. Water and the trash bin would be send off flying everywhere the velocity of the cannon ball should drop significantly. Water will provide large frictional force to retard the incoming object (or Viscosity). Assuming that there are lot of trash bins to buffer the hit.
The Mythbusters even set up a concrete safety barrier and it still went right through the wall. It just shows that cannonballs really are lethal weapons back in the medieval ages.
I actually was visiting Dublin on that particular day to meet with my relatives. I always inquired where Mythbusters do their special explosive effects.
Yea I really dont get how this was the third one fired and they managed to miss by that much. I mean everyone makes mistakes but that is kind of crazy. Also very glad no one was hurt, that is pretty scary.
Sort me reminds me of that episode where they had a runaway car that jumped over a hill and someone went "What's behind that hill?!?" At the time I thought they were acting but now I'm not so sure.
I guess this could potentially lead to people being less inclined to lend them big expensive objects for their experiements if they hear about this. I know they've had problems before lending jet planes and whatnot so it shouldn't get easier after this not matter what caused the accident.
On December 08 2011 19:07 Regime wrote: very hard to believe that sumthin like this could happen after all there safety regulations
When dealing with firearms (and a cannon, like artillery, is really just a really really big gun), you can have a perfect design and still the odds dictate that someday, at somepoint, something crazy will happen.
Like a hangfire. Or the "magic bullet" theory. Or a cannonball missing the target, plowing through a wall, and bouncing over the 700 foot earthen berm and then careening down a street, through a house, off the roof of another house, and then stopping on the floorboards of a toyota sienna. Having seen the google earth aerial imagery of the area, it could only get weirder if at some point it went through a basketball hoop so I could add "and nothing but net."
Even experts (and if you doubt Jamie, Adam, Tori, Grant, and Kari are experts, be assured there are other experts involved (like JD Nelson or that FBI Frank guy) and others still that have been consulted) sometimes have accidents. As for this being somehow really dangerous... I used to live near one of the USAF's bombing ranges. They have had target drones fished out of the Gulf, people hiking suddenly finding a bomb that failed to detonate, and they close down some roads because they're about to launch a hellfire missile that will be passing overhead. There's "wtf were you thinking" and then there's "acceptable risk due to extremely small chances anything will go wrong". Of course, with the mythbusters, failure is always an option... which is why they take such pains to minimize those risks. (Risk, however, can never be eliminated.)
Ahh... I miss the sound of AC-130 gunships firing off 105mm howitzers and 40mm cannons as I go to sleep...
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
I'm sure they followed all the normal precautions. If not, they could be sued/prosecuted for negligence. And if a private person followed the same precautions, they wouldn't get sued/prosecuted either.
There are no "standard" precautions for what they're doing. All we know is, they didn't have enough precautions and can/should be sued/prosecuted for negligence. They put unknowing bystanders in mortal danger and no ammount of "normal precautions" can forgive that, legally or morally. They shouldn't do what they do if there's a remote chance of someone getting hurt (except maybe the production crew themselves).
They've done these types of things numerous times. There are definitely standard precautions. The government gave them permits to perform such an act, so they didn't feel there was a legitimate public threat. I'm not one to say the governments always right, but if they permitted it then the MythBusters certainly can't be held liable. I feel like I'm getting trolled here.
I don't know much about american law, but I doubt they'd go unpunished if someone had lost a leg/died. Thus they should also be punished for the risk they made those people unwillingly incur. The goverment giving them the "go-ahead" doesn't exempt them from the consequence of their actions as far as I know (though they can/will share in the blame).
If someone with an american law degree could enlighten us, that would be super.
On December 08 2011 09:10 trucane wrote: I hope they sue them for everything they got although I'd rather see a couple of years in prison for the ones responsible for this
Really. I imagine this was an accident. They always have explosives experts on hand, think years in prison for property damage that they can pay for is excessive.
Of course it was an accident but they endangered the lives of many people. If a private person would have done something like this they would be in soooo much trouble so it's not more than fair that these guys get some jail time or have to pay a couple million to every person in that neighborhood
I'm sure they followed all the normal precautions. If not, they could be sued/prosecuted for negligence. And if a private person followed the same precautions, they wouldn't get sued/prosecuted either.
There are no "standard" precautions for what they're doing. All we know is, they didn't have enough precautions and can/should be sued/prosecuted for negligence. They put unknowing bystanders in mortal danger and no ammount of "normal precautions" can forgive that, legally or morally. They shouldn't do what they do if there's a remote chance of someone getting hurt (except maybe the production crew themselves).
They've done these types of things numerous times. There are definitely standard precautions. The government gave them permits to perform such an act, so they didn't feel there was a legitimate public threat. I'm not one to say the governments always right, but if they permitted it then the MythBusters certainly can't be held liable. I feel like I'm getting trolled here.
I don't know much about american law, but I doubt they'd go unpunished if someone had lost a leg/died. Thus they should also be punished for the risk they made those people unwillingly incur. The goverment giving them the "go-ahead" doesn't exempt them from the consequence of their actions as far as I know (though they can/will share in the blame).
If someone with an american law degree could enlighten us, that would be super.
They will certainly be investigated to ensure that all safety procedures were followed. If they weren't, then they will likely be charged with negligence. I don't see how it's even a question of liability if they did follow procedures. It'd be like prosecuting you for someone dying in a car wreck caused by ice when you weren't driving dangerously - it's no ones fault, just a tragic accident.
On December 09 2011 05:59 Keitzer wrote: I really hope they don't cancel the show because of this...
I think everyone's taking this much too seriously, no way it'll get canceled. This one episode might have to pick a different myth to test, but that's about it. They'll pay all the damages and whatever else, and might not be able to test at that specific location pointing in that specific direction.
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