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On November 24 2011 05:28 Shiragaku wrote:
Well it may be in the Quar'an, but I do not think that religion makes people commit such atrocities. The Bible in the Old Testament said to kill women who were raped, women were suppose to marry their rapists, women were not suppose to talk at the table, and there are too many Christians I know that do not support any of these, in fact quite the opposite. So please do not bash Islam.
And yes, people use the Sharia for horrible things, but people have used it for wonderful things. For example, Muhammad Yunus
They aren't real christians, then. That's the relativist/cafeteria style morality. Pick some nice parts and throw the rest of the book out. Yes, religion makes people do bad things. You really don't think Islam had anything to do with this? People say not to judge a religion by its extremists. I don't need to, I judge it by its texts.
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There might be religious of sociological aspects that wasnt made clear in the article. I think someone from with more knowledge about the muslim way of life to elaborate on this.
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This is fucking stupid. I can't even express how mad I am about this... its just madness..:S
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On November 24 2011 04:51 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 04:50 aztrorisk wrote:
Before you guys start hating the Afghanistan government, please be aware that you do not know the whole story.
What if it was a mutual consensus to have an affair and the women lied about what happened after she found out that she was pregnant. If you have ever read To Kill a Mockingbird, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Don't be so quick to judge because CNN will often make bias reports to make the US look better compared to other nations. Oh, she was only put in jail because she was having an extramarital affair? That's okay then. ARE YOU TRIPPING SON
I believe that the man should be punished too. I believe that marriage is like a contract, and breaking it is a violation of that contract. It is equivalent to breaking the law and is fully punishable.
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On November 24 2011 06:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:22 Hittomogasin wrote:On November 24 2011 06:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It's insane when you compare a city like Tokyo or Seoul or NYC to Paris to a country like Afghanistan
It's like certain areas of the world just cannot "advance". Be it culture or religion holding them back.
The only way to fix that sort of problem is a total invasion of that nation and forced institutionalization, but no country in the world has the right to do that yet. Ya, lets solve violence with more violence. Derp. >_> Attacking them would only make muslim world more agressive. Maybe in future more irrational groups get their hands on some nuclear weapons and force the hand of western/eastern powers. Its a grim thought. The middle east has barely changed in the last thousand years. It's never going to unless other countries force it to.
Actually the middle east used to be one of the most educated and intelligent places in the world. They saved the writings of Plato, Aristotle and others from what was happening in Europe. They invented the number zero, algebra, the algorithm. You may be right it hasn't changed much in a thousand years, but it used to be quite civilized.
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On November 24 2011 06:28 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 05:28 Shiragaku wrote:
Well it may be in the Quar'an, but I do not think that religion makes people commit such atrocities. The Bible in the Old Testament said to kill women who were raped, women were suppose to marry their rapists, women were not suppose to talk at the table, and there are too many Christians I know that do not support any of these, in fact quite the opposite. So please do not bash Islam.
And yes, people use the Sharia for horrible things, but people have used it for wonderful things. For example, Muhammad Yunus They aren't real christians, then. That's the relativist/cafeteria style morality. Pick some nice parts and throw the rest of the book out. Yes, religion makes people do bad things. You really don't think Islam had anything to do with this? People say not to judge a religion by its extremists. I don't need to, I judge it by its texts.
To not call them christians because they "pick some nice parts and throw the rest" is contradictory when you yourself lump the bad parts of the bible and call them christian.
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On November 24 2011 06:32 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:28 Roe wrote:On November 24 2011 05:28 Shiragaku wrote:
Well it may be in the Quar'an, but I do not think that religion makes people commit such atrocities. The Bible in the Old Testament said to kill women who were raped, women were suppose to marry their rapists, women were not suppose to talk at the table, and there are too many Christians I know that do not support any of these, in fact quite the opposite. So please do not bash Islam.
And yes, people use the Sharia for horrible things, but people have used it for wonderful things. For example, Muhammad Yunus They aren't real christians, then. That's the relativist/cafeteria style morality. Pick some nice parts and throw the rest of the book out. Yes, religion makes people do bad things. You really don't think Islam had anything to do with this? People say not to judge a religion by its extremists. I don't need to, I judge it by its texts. To not call them christians because they "pick some nice parts and throw the rest" is contradictory when you yourself lump the bad parts of the bible and call them christian.
The irony is at your expense.
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On November 24 2011 06:31 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 24 2011 06:22 Hittomogasin wrote:On November 24 2011 06:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It's insane when you compare a city like Tokyo or Seoul or NYC to Paris to a country like Afghanistan
It's like certain areas of the world just cannot "advance". Be it culture or religion holding them back.
The only way to fix that sort of problem is a total invasion of that nation and forced institutionalization, but no country in the world has the right to do that yet. Ya, lets solve violence with more violence. Derp. >_> Attacking them would only make muslim world more agressive. Maybe in future more irrational groups get their hands on some nuclear weapons and force the hand of western/eastern powers. Its a grim thought. The middle east has barely changed in the last thousand years. It's never going to unless other countries force it to. Actually the middle east used to be one of the most educated and intelligent places in the world. They saved the writings of Plato, Aristotle and others from what was happening in Europe. They invented the number zero, algebra, the algorithm. You may be right it hasn't changed much in a thousand years, but it used to be quite civilized.
for the most part....the middle east is exactly the same as any western country. its just extreme countries like afghanistan that invent their own version of islam and make the entire part of the world look like crap.
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On November 23 2011 23:41 KryptoStorm wrote:
Religion does nothing but ruin the world.
Maybe one day we will be without it.
Replace Religion with Extremists.
I'm not a spiritual person but my mother and my girlfriend have been through very tough times with nothing to hang on to but their faith. Religion servers its purpose for good but others also use it for evil, as cheesy as this may sound.
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On November 24 2011 06:32 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:28 Roe wrote:On November 24 2011 05:28 Shiragaku wrote:
Well it may be in the Quar'an, but I do not think that religion makes people commit such atrocities. The Bible in the Old Testament said to kill women who were raped, women were suppose to marry their rapists, women were not suppose to talk at the table, and there are too many Christians I know that do not support any of these, in fact quite the opposite. So please do not bash Islam.
And yes, people use the Sharia for horrible things, but people have used it for wonderful things. For example, Muhammad Yunus They aren't real christians, then. That's the relativist/cafeteria style morality. Pick some nice parts and throw the rest of the book out. Yes, religion makes people do bad things. You really don't think Islam had anything to do with this? People say not to judge a religion by its extremists. I don't need to, I judge it by its texts. To not call them christians because they "pick some nice parts and throw the rest" is contradictory when you yourself lump the bad parts of the bible and call them christian.
But it's true. They are "moderate" Christians, not serious Christians. Moderates are people who don't take their religion as seriously as the fundamentalists. A religion, and indeed any belief system, should damned well be judged by both its texts and its extremists. Extremism just means that the person is consistent with their beliefs.
Being a moderately religious person is not in itself a good thing. The reason moderates are good is because they mix some reason into their irrationality and accept such good concepts as reason, rights, and separation between church and state. So the less religious a person is, the better. Moderation is only better than extremism if it's a horrible belief that is being taken in moderation.
Islam deserves to be bashed, along with the people who practice it the most consistently and do these things, and the countries that make Sharia the law of their land and commit atrocities like this against their own people. The only good Muslim is a moderate one who truly desires peace, condemns his fundamentalist (consistent), violent counterparts, and does not want Sharia to be made into law.
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On November 24 2011 06:35 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:31 Roe wrote:On November 24 2011 06:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 24 2011 06:22 Hittomogasin wrote:On November 24 2011 06:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It's insane when you compare a city like Tokyo or Seoul or NYC to Paris to a country like Afghanistan
It's like certain areas of the world just cannot "advance". Be it culture or religion holding them back.
The only way to fix that sort of problem is a total invasion of that nation and forced institutionalization, but no country in the world has the right to do that yet. Ya, lets solve violence with more violence. Derp. >_> Attacking them would only make muslim world more agressive. Maybe in future more irrational groups get their hands on some nuclear weapons and force the hand of western/eastern powers. Its a grim thought. The middle east has barely changed in the last thousand years. It's never going to unless other countries force it to. Actually the middle east used to be one of the most educated and intelligent places in the world. They saved the writings of Plato, Aristotle and others from what was happening in Europe. They invented the number zero, algebra, the algorithm. You may be right it hasn't changed much in a thousand years, but it used to be quite civilized. for the most part....the middle east is exactly the same as any western country. its just extreme countries like afghanistan that invent their own version of islam and make the entire part of the world look like crap.
The middle-east is in no way "the same" as "any western country".
When it comes to human rights they are still a great deal behind of western countries.
When it comes to science they are still a great deal behind of western countries.
When it comes to economies they are massively behind of western countries.
I can't think of any real pillar of society in wich the middle-east is even the equall to the western world.
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On November 24 2011 06:28 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 05:28 Shiragaku wrote:
Well it may be in the Quar'an, but I do not think that religion makes people commit such atrocities. The Bible in the Old Testament said to kill women who were raped, women were suppose to marry their rapists, women were not suppose to talk at the table, and there are too many Christians I know that do not support any of these, in fact quite the opposite. So please do not bash Islam.
And yes, people use the Sharia for horrible things, but people have used it for wonderful things. For example, Muhammad Yunus They aren't real christians, then. That's the relativist/cafeteria style morality. Pick some nice parts and throw the rest of the book out. Yes, religion makes people do bad things. You really don't think Islam had anything to do with this? People say not to judge a religion by its extremists. I don't need to, I judge it by its texts.
And like I said, there are many people who take the texts to prove that homosexuality is not a sin by throwing out the Old Testament since much of it already contradicts much of the New. But that is not to say that the New Testament is love and fun...
And about the Middle East not changing for a thousand years, I would say there is little change from the 1800s. Judging from the documents from the Crusades, the Islamic nations seemed to have viewed the Christians more as invaders that want to rival their power like their Muslim neighbors than anything really. It was not until the 1800s when we started seeing the religious rhetoric used to condemn colonialism by the Europeans and then they started using the Crusades as part of their rhetoric.
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On November 24 2011 06:42 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:35 hytonight wrote:On November 24 2011 06:31 Roe wrote:On November 24 2011 06:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 24 2011 06:22 Hittomogasin wrote:On November 24 2011 06:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It's insane when you compare a city like Tokyo or Seoul or NYC to Paris to a country like Afghanistan
It's like certain areas of the world just cannot "advance". Be it culture or religion holding them back.
The only way to fix that sort of problem is a total invasion of that nation and forced institutionalization, but no country in the world has the right to do that yet. Ya, lets solve violence with more violence. Derp. >_> Attacking them would only make muslim world more agressive. Maybe in future more irrational groups get their hands on some nuclear weapons and force the hand of western/eastern powers. Its a grim thought. The middle east has barely changed in the last thousand years. It's never going to unless other countries force it to. Actually the middle east used to be one of the most educated and intelligent places in the world. They saved the writings of Plato, Aristotle and others from what was happening in Europe. They invented the number zero, algebra, the algorithm. You may be right it hasn't changed much in a thousand years, but it used to be quite civilized. for the most part....the middle east is exactly the same as any western country. its just extreme countries like afghanistan that invent their own version of islam and make the entire part of the world look like crap. The middle-east is in no way "the same" as "any western country". When it comes to human rights they are still a great deal behind of western countries. When it comes to science they are still a great deal behind of western countries. When it comes to economies they are massively behind of western countries. I can't think of any real pillar of society in wich the middle-east is even the equall to the western world.
Correct. Although Israel is the exception. That country does equal and in some ways exceed the western world a little bit.
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On November 24 2011 06:42 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:35 hytonight wrote:On November 24 2011 06:31 Roe wrote:On November 24 2011 06:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 24 2011 06:22 Hittomogasin wrote:On November 24 2011 06:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It's insane when you compare a city like Tokyo or Seoul or NYC to Paris to a country like Afghanistan
It's like certain areas of the world just cannot "advance". Be it culture or religion holding them back.
The only way to fix that sort of problem is a total invasion of that nation and forced institutionalization, but no country in the world has the right to do that yet. Ya, lets solve violence with more violence. Derp. >_> Attacking them would only make muslim world more agressive. Maybe in future more irrational groups get their hands on some nuclear weapons and force the hand of western/eastern powers. Its a grim thought. The middle east has barely changed in the last thousand years. It's never going to unless other countries force it to. Actually the middle east used to be one of the most educated and intelligent places in the world. They saved the writings of Plato, Aristotle and others from what was happening in Europe. They invented the number zero, algebra, the algorithm. You may be right it hasn't changed much in a thousand years, but it used to be quite civilized. for the most part....the middle east is exactly the same as any western country. its just extreme countries like afghanistan that invent their own version of islam and make the entire part of the world look like crap. The middle-east is in no way "the same" as "any western country". When it comes to human rights they are still a great deal behind of western countries. When it comes to science they are still a great deal behind of western countries. When it comes to economies they are massively behind of western countries. I can't think of any real pillar of society in wich the middle-east is even the equall to the western world.
ive been there.......hows the science different? they arent a bunch of cavemen throwing shit at each other...
human rights...only in the fucked up countries which arent anywhere near as common as people like to think.
economics...they arent exactly superpowers, but they arent poor.
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And we support many of the dictators in the Middle East so that seems to play a role in why the Middle East may not have been able to advance as quickly as we would like it to.
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On November 23 2011 21:03 Telcontar wrote:
This just makes me sick. It just shows how privileged we are not to have been born to a severely twisted and outdated culture like that.
What makes you able to judge a culture as inferior to yours?
+ Show Spoiler +just kidding 
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On November 23 2011 21:12 Ryndika wrote:
There is so different moral codes around the world. :O What can I say? I feel REALLY bad for that person... ;( I hope she will get better life soon enough. I'm having a hard time believing that unfortunately... 
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How long does she have to make up her mind? Shes fucked wither way though, i think stay in jail and keep family support is the better route
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On November 24 2011 06:49 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:42 zalz wrote:On November 24 2011 06:35 hytonight wrote:On November 24 2011 06:31 Roe wrote:On November 24 2011 06:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 24 2011 06:22 Hittomogasin wrote:On November 24 2011 06:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It's insane when you compare a city like Tokyo or Seoul or NYC to Paris to a country like Afghanistan
It's like certain areas of the world just cannot "advance". Be it culture or religion holding them back.
The only way to fix that sort of problem is a total invasion of that nation and forced institutionalization, but no country in the world has the right to do that yet. Ya, lets solve violence with more violence. Derp. >_> Attacking them would only make muslim world more agressive. Maybe in future more irrational groups get their hands on some nuclear weapons and force the hand of western/eastern powers. Its a grim thought. The middle east has barely changed in the last thousand years. It's never going to unless other countries force it to. Actually the middle east used to be one of the most educated and intelligent places in the world. They saved the writings of Plato, Aristotle and others from what was happening in Europe. They invented the number zero, algebra, the algorithm. You may be right it hasn't changed much in a thousand years, but it used to be quite civilized. for the most part....the middle east is exactly the same as any western country. its just extreme countries like afghanistan that invent their own version of islam and make the entire part of the world look like crap. The middle-east is in no way "the same" as "any western country". When it comes to human rights they are still a great deal behind of western countries. When it comes to science they are still a great deal behind of western countries. When it comes to economies they are massively behind of western countries. I can't think of any real pillar of society in wich the middle-east is even the equall to the western world. ive been there.......hows the science different? they arent a bunch of cavemen throwing shit at each other... human rights...only in the fucked up countries which arent anywhere near as common as people like to think. economics...they arent exactly superpowers, but they arent poor.
Well the science is a bit of an abstract. You could measure it in education, you could measure it in the presence of high tech products (smart phones for example), you could measure it in the sheer ammount of scientific discoveries from the region. In all categories they would fall short of a western nation.
Human rights are horrible all across the middle-east. I don't see how you can really argue that. Even something as basic as freedom of speech isn't a fact in that region.
Their economies are almost all largely based on oil sales. Those aren't healthy economies. Even with oil their economies are weaker then western economies so that would still mean they are below the western standard.
I ain't saying that the middle-east is a hellhole (although i wouldn't want to live in it) but to suggest that it is the equall to the western world is just delusional and goes against all facts.
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If you read on, the article goes to say that if she gets out of jail by marrying her rapist, she will be in danger from her attacker's family because of their "shame".
This comes to mind
"if a man happens to meet a virgin woman who is not engaged to be married, and he seizes her and rapes her, but is caught in the act, the rapist must pay the girls father fifty silver shekels. She must marry the rapist, because he has violated her. And as long as he lives. He may not divorce her" Deutoronomy 22:28-29
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