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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 16 2011 02:12 GMT
#1041
If this bill passes I plan on buying a 3TB hard drive and downloading as much as I can from my favorite piracy website before it gets shut down
ManaFortress
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 02:13:42
December 16 2011 02:13 GMT
#1042
If this amendment dosn't pass, anyone who can write good letters that LOOK credible will be able to take down any webpage they want without involving a court.
Gosu by Proxy
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
December 16 2011 02:13 GMT
#1043
Wow, guy actually acknowledged a good point. I'm kinda shocked.
Moderator
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
December 16 2011 02:14 GMT
#1044
On December 16 2011 11:12 BlackJack wrote:
If this bill passes I plan on buying a 3TB hard drive and downloading as much as I can from my favorite piracy website before it gets shut down


Don't worry bro. You'll just need the IP.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
December 16 2011 02:14 GMT
#1045
Wow, even the Watt guy gets that they need something to make sure it isn't abused. That's saying something.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
StyGGeN
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway52 Posts
December 16 2011 02:15 GMT
#1046
American Liberalism, Capitalism and "Democracy" at its best.

Luckily, ur not waging wars all across the globe telling people how free you are, and how free they should be. (Ethnocentrism, comes to mind)

Your way of letting money control abosloutly every part of govermental establishment (and the rest of society), never ceases to amaze me.

You've made your own bed now lie in it.

Maybe its about time to pass laws that protect against corporation influensing politicians to the extent that it just becomes too blatantly obvious that what they are trying to pass in congress is bullshit.
Examples :

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228434.200-supreme-court-to-judge-on-patents-for-treating-disease.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062056/Pizza-vegetable--covered-tomato-paste.html



PS, stop treating people like shit.
Just because u've had a good life, even if it came through your own hard work, u should still treat other human beings with some fucking dignity.
Americans seems to hate on Obama, i'm not to familiar with what fucked up things he has done to deserve all the critizism, but atleast he has bettered the sosial reforms in US.
A nation with 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population (in 2009), should perhaps rethink their way of treating less fortunate people.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13th, 2011, the nation's (USA) poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010

hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
December 16 2011 02:15 GMT
#1047
On December 16 2011 11:12 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:05 Shaetan wrote:
Can someone explain how this argument resolves into "we shouldn't pass the amendment"?

Person 1: Need court oversight to make sure companies don't just take down anything with a sham notice because there is no provision for courts in bill.

Person 2: That's in the bill I think.

Person 1: Well pass amendment to make it explicit b/c it is not right now.

they agreed that court involve is correct but court action is stated in the section before 1.2.c(fix me if im wrong) in 1.2.1(again i dont rmb) as a prereq to 1.2.c (which is what they were fighting for.

More over the court order is not necessary(in their opinion) because the action would be limited under the user agreement of the firms and copy rights atc etc...

basicly they are bs-ing so they could create a small loop hole for big corp to run around.

What they come up with in the committee won't stick fyi, so they're hopefully not trying to add loopholes because that's pointless. If it leaves committee there will be far longer debates involving more people and groups like the Congressional Research Service will look into any flaws. Of course then it still has several more months to go before even if it reaches the Senate...

Basically it's completely useless to try and put loopholes in this early.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 02:22:31
December 16 2011 02:19 GMT
#1048
On December 16 2011 11:15 StyGGeN wrote:
American Liberalism, Capitalism and "Democracy" at its best.

Luckily, ur not waging wars all across the globe telling people how free you are, and how free they should be. (Ethnocentrism, comes to mind)

Your way of letting money control abosloutly every part of govermental establishment (and the rest of society), never ceases to amaze me.

You've made your own bed now lie in it.

Maybe its about time to pass laws that protect against corporation influensing politicians to the extent that it just becomes too blatantly obvious that what they are trying to pass in congress is bullshit.
Examples :

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228434.200-supreme-court-to-judge-on-patents-for-treating-disease.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062056/Pizza-vegetable--covered-tomato-paste.html



PS, stop treating people like shit.
Just because u've had a good life, even if it came through your own hard work, u should still treat other human beings with some fucking dignity.
Americans seems to hate on Obama, i'm not to familiar with what fucked up things he has done to deserve all the critizism, but atleast he has bettered the sosial reforms in US.
A nation with 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population (in 2009), should perhaps rethink their way of treating less fortunate people.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13th, 2011, the nation's (USA) poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010


What are you talking about? For one, your links don't have anything to do with what you said. the first link was about how someone tried to patent a cure for disease treatment (which he lost) and the second is just untrue (it's the Daily Mail... of course it's untrue). Pizza was not classified a vegetable -- that was an example of the internet being misinformed.

And everything else you said has nothing to do with anything in this thread (not to mention it's idiotic). The US poverty rate is 15.1%. Guess what? That's pretty much the same as every OECD nation.

Honestly, do you even read what you post? Grow up.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 16 2011 02:19 GMT
#1049
On December 16 2011 11:15 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:12 NB wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:05 Shaetan wrote:
Can someone explain how this argument resolves into "we shouldn't pass the amendment"?

Person 1: Need court oversight to make sure companies don't just take down anything with a sham notice because there is no provision for courts in bill.

Person 2: That's in the bill I think.

Person 1: Well pass amendment to make it explicit b/c it is not right now.

they agreed that court involve is correct but court action is stated in the section before 1.2.c(fix me if im wrong) in 1.2.1(again i dont rmb) as a prereq to 1.2.c (which is what they were fighting for.

More over the court order is not necessary(in their opinion) because the action would be limited under the user agreement of the firms and copy rights atc etc...

basicly they are bs-ing so they could create a small loop hole for big corp to run around.

What they come up with in the committee won't stick fyi, so they're hopefully not trying to add loopholes because that's pointless. If it leaves committee there will be far longer debates involving more people and groups like the Congressional Research Service will look into any flaws. Of course then it still has several more months to go before even if it reaches the Senate...

Basically it's completely useless to try and put loopholes in this early.

its an abusive in the language: the action that they were debating on was based on the "action" stated in 1.2.c and by definition 'action' doesnt include prereq of the 'action' itself. Thats really hard to catch @_@.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
December 16 2011 02:20 GMT
#1050
On December 16 2011 11:12 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:09 Shaetan wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:06 hmunkey wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:05 Shaetan wrote:
Can someone explain how this argument resolves into "we shouldn't pass the amendment"?

Person 1: Need court oversight to make sure companies don't just take down anything with a sham notice because there is no provision for courts in bill.

Person 2: That's in the bill I think.

Person 1: Well pass amendment to make it explicit b/c it is not right now.

Elaborate? I wasn't listening to the stream.


The current discussion (I believe) is that the bill does not have a provision requiring a court to sign off on website shutdown. Otherwise (the argument is) that anyone can send a notice to a host requesting a shutdown of a site and they will comply because they will be immune to prosecution if they do the shutdown and will not want to face legal repercussions if they do not shut down the site. Thus the amendment is to require court oversight/court order to shutdown sites.

Argument against it (at least one of them) is that someone thinks that there is a requirement for court oversight.

Amendment author says that it is not explicit so should pass it to make it explicit.


No I get that. What did you mean with your question though? Did the author acquiesce?


No I was just wondering how the rational course of action from Person 2, who is apparently alright with the court oversight, is to not be in favor of the amendment, which makes it explicit.
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
PepperoniPiZZa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
December 16 2011 02:29 GMT
#1051
That guy is making an analogy to the internet using nuclear bombs. It's over, the internet is finished.
Quote?
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
December 16 2011 02:31 GMT
#1052
On December 16 2011 11:29 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
That guy is making an analogy to the internet using nuclear bombs. It's over, the internet is finished.
He has not a clue what he is talking about. He only sees the Internet as an evil money-losing thing from how he talks.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
ManaFortress
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden23 Posts
December 16 2011 02:31 GMT
#1053
Recess for pizza-break at Chairman Smiths office.
Gosu by Proxy
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
December 16 2011 02:31 GMT
#1054
On December 16 2011 11:19 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:15 hmunkey wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:12 NB wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:05 Shaetan wrote:
Can someone explain how this argument resolves into "we shouldn't pass the amendment"?

Person 1: Need court oversight to make sure companies don't just take down anything with a sham notice because there is no provision for courts in bill.

Person 2: That's in the bill I think.

Person 1: Well pass amendment to make it explicit b/c it is not right now.

they agreed that court involve is correct but court action is stated in the section before 1.2.c(fix me if im wrong) in 1.2.1(again i dont rmb) as a prereq to 1.2.c (which is what they were fighting for.

More over the court order is not necessary(in their opinion) because the action would be limited under the user agreement of the firms and copy rights atc etc...

basicly they are bs-ing so they could create a small loop hole for big corp to run around.

What they come up with in the committee won't stick fyi, so they're hopefully not trying to add loopholes because that's pointless. If it leaves committee there will be far longer debates involving more people and groups like the Congressional Research Service will look into any flaws. Of course then it still has several more months to go before even if it reaches the Senate...

Basically it's completely useless to try and put loopholes in this early.

its an abusive in the language: the action that they were debating on was based on the "action" stated in 1.2.c and by definition 'action' doesnt include prereq of the 'action' itself. Thats really hard to catch @_@.

No you don't understand. The bill will literally be rewritten multiple times over the next few months assuming it isn't throw out. The fact that they're arguing semantics just shows they don't have anything real to talk about.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 16 2011 02:34 GMT
#1055
On December 16 2011 11:31 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:19 NB wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:15 hmunkey wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:12 NB wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:05 Shaetan wrote:
Can someone explain how this argument resolves into "we shouldn't pass the amendment"?

Person 1: Need court oversight to make sure companies don't just take down anything with a sham notice because there is no provision for courts in bill.

Person 2: That's in the bill I think.

Person 1: Well pass amendment to make it explicit b/c it is not right now.

they agreed that court involve is correct but court action is stated in the section before 1.2.c(fix me if im wrong) in 1.2.1(again i dont rmb) as a prereq to 1.2.c (which is what they were fighting for.

More over the court order is not necessary(in their opinion) because the action would be limited under the user agreement of the firms and copy rights atc etc...

basicly they are bs-ing so they could create a small loop hole for big corp to run around.

What they come up with in the committee won't stick fyi, so they're hopefully not trying to add loopholes because that's pointless. If it leaves committee there will be far longer debates involving more people and groups like the Congressional Research Service will look into any flaws. Of course then it still has several more months to go before even if it reaches the Senate...

Basically it's completely useless to try and put loopholes in this early.

its an abusive in the language: the action that they were debating on was based on the "action" stated in 1.2.c and by definition 'action' doesnt include prereq of the 'action' itself. Thats really hard to catch @_@.

No you don't understand. The bill will literally be rewritten multiple times over the next few months assuming it isn't throw out. The fact that they're arguing semantics just shows they don't have anything real to talk about.

ahhh i see, i would like to withdraw my previous amendment and i yield the rest of my time.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
StyGGeN
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway52 Posts
December 16 2011 02:37 GMT
#1056
On December 16 2011 11:19 hmunkey wrote:
What are you talking about? For one, your links don't have anything to do with what you said. the first link was about how someone tried to patent a cure for disease treatment (which he lost) and the second is just untrue (it's the Daily Mail... of course it's untrue). Pizza was not classified a vegetable -- that was an example of the internet being misinformed.

And everything else you said has nothing to do with anything in this thread (not to mention it's idiotic). The US poverty rate is 15.1%. Guess what? That's pretty much the same as every OECD nation.

Honestly, do you even read what you post? Grow up.


The US poverty rate is not the same as or close to the other OECD countries, that is not true.

However the point of the links I gave, was to show embarresing agruments being brought up for the justice deparment for the US.

Like i mentioned," blatantly obvious that what they are trying to pass in congress is bullshit."

Like the bill that this thread is about. There are several other examples too, those 2 were just the comes that came to mind.
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
December 16 2011 02:40 GMT
#1057
On December 16 2011 11:34 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:31 hmunkey wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:19 NB wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:15 hmunkey wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:12 NB wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:05 Shaetan wrote:
Can someone explain how this argument resolves into "we shouldn't pass the amendment"?

Person 1: Need court oversight to make sure companies don't just take down anything with a sham notice because there is no provision for courts in bill.

Person 2: That's in the bill I think.

Person 1: Well pass amendment to make it explicit b/c it is not right now.

they agreed that court involve is correct but court action is stated in the section before 1.2.c(fix me if im wrong) in 1.2.1(again i dont rmb) as a prereq to 1.2.c (which is what they were fighting for.

More over the court order is not necessary(in their opinion) because the action would be limited under the user agreement of the firms and copy rights atc etc...

basicly they are bs-ing so they could create a small loop hole for big corp to run around.

What they come up with in the committee won't stick fyi, so they're hopefully not trying to add loopholes because that's pointless. If it leaves committee there will be far longer debates involving more people and groups like the Congressional Research Service will look into any flaws. Of course then it still has several more months to go before even if it reaches the Senate...

Basically it's completely useless to try and put loopholes in this early.

its an abusive in the language: the action that they were debating on was based on the "action" stated in 1.2.c and by definition 'action' doesnt include prereq of the 'action' itself. Thats really hard to catch @_@.

No you don't understand. The bill will literally be rewritten multiple times over the next few months assuming it isn't throw out. The fact that they're arguing semantics just shows they don't have anything real to talk about.

ahhh i see, i would like to withdraw my previous amendment and i yield the rest of my time.

Hahahah, that is about all I understand in this, but it is pretty interesting to watch despite not knowing what is going on.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
December 16 2011 02:42 GMT
#1058
On December 16 2011 11:37 StyGGeN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 11:19 hmunkey wrote:
What are you talking about? For one, your links don't have anything to do with what you said. the first link was about how someone tried to patent a cure for disease treatment (which he lost) and the second is just untrue (it's the Daily Mail... of course it's untrue). Pizza was not classified a vegetable -- that was an example of the internet being misinformed.

And everything else you said has nothing to do with anything in this thread (not to mention it's idiotic). The US poverty rate is 15.1%. Guess what? That's pretty much the same as every OECD nation.

Honestly, do you even read what you post? Grow up.


The US poverty rate is not the same as or close to the other OECD countries, that is not true.

However the point of the links I gave, was to show embarresing agruments being brought up for the justice deparment for the US.

Like i mentioned," blatantly obvious that what they are trying to pass in congress is bullshit."

Like the bill that this thread is about. There are several other examples too, those 2 were just the comes that came to mind.

Dude, I just linked you the numbers...
If you're going to make broad claims, at least make sure they're factually correct. The things you said were stupid and wrong.
StyGGeN
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway52 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 02:50:32
December 16 2011 02:47 GMT
#1059
On December 16 2011 11:42 hmunkey wrote:
Dude, I just linked you the numbers...
If you're going to make broad claims, at least make sure they're factually correct. The things you said were stupid and wrong.


If u had looked at the numbers,u'd see that barely any of the OECD countries were even listed with the amount.
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=poverty

feel free to check out the inequality too, and as for the prison stats i presented, guess they were bullshit too.

Good night.

(added : If u had looked at the numbers,u'd see that barely any of the OECD countries were even listed with the amount.)
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 16 2011 02:49 GMT
#1060
is there an exact posted time on when will they resume?
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