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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
On November 15 2011 20:41 zakmaa wrote: Possible, but if there were two people, one drunk and one sober and one had to blow the test - why would you make the sober one blow the test then make the drunk one drive? That's so unreasonable. Possibility: Cause the sober guy doesn't have a license. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
That said, statistics are on Bratli's side. A significant majority of all car-related accidents are caused by young men under 25. At the same time, doing what she's argumenting for would be punishing everyone, including those who actually drive properly. It'd be like shooting a sparrow with a cannon - lots of collateral damage. Plus it'd also harm the transportational needs of anyone who uses their car for commuting to work / school. Now optimally, we'd be able to completely negate the need for cars for commuting through public transportation such as trains and shuttles, but realistically, Norway's far too spread out and far too lightly populated to make that in any way economically viable (as has been done in Japan, where there's a far smaller private car usage culture). Since the car is so essential to any peripheral settlements, limiting it like this is not really an option. I do agree that all cars should have breathalyzer-locks though. Of course it can easilly be circumvented by having your sober kid brother blowing the lock for you, but at least it'd be more of a hassle, and thus be somewhat preventive. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11912 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:11 plated.rawr wrote: I do agree that all cars should have breathalyzer-locks though. Of course it can easilly be circumvented by having your sober kid brother blowing the lock for you, but at least it'd be more of a hassle, and thus be somewhat preventive. I just read up on this a bit, and have come to the conclusion that, while it would be nice to have a technology that prevents drunk people from driving automatically, it simply does not exist so far. Especially breath analyzers have far to many problems to be mandatory in cars. One of them being that they are pretty inaccurate per se since they don't only detect alcohol, but also other substances with some similar chemic characteristic. For example, apparently you have a pretty high chance to get a positive test result after painting a room. They are pretty reliant on being used in the right way, and apparently you can manipulate the result by a pretty large margin when using the right or wrong breathing techniques. | ||
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zerglyn
Norway19 Posts
Most notably it's never mentioned that the restrictions would apply to males only. There is also no mention of how long the restrictions would last, only that they would apply immediatly after the driving license is aquired and would be lifted gradually as driving skills improves. From what I understand any restrictions would be based on how long someone had owned their driving license, not their age or their gender. VG is a typical tabloid and OP completely fell for their screaming headlines and omition of key information. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:35 Simberto wrote: I just read up on this a bit, and have come to the conclusion that, while it would be nice to have a technology that prevents drunk people from driving automatically, it simply does not exist so far. Especially breath analyzers have far to many problems to be mandatory in cars. One of them being that they are pretty inaccurate per se since they don't only detect alcohol, but also other substances with some similar chemic characteristic. For example, apparently you have a pretty high chance to get a positive test result after painting a room. They are pretty reliant on being used in the right way, and apparently you can manipulate the result by a pretty large margin when using the right or wrong breathing techniques. Yeah in theory it's a good idea but as you say there's to many issues with the technology today for us to remove the human out of the testing procedure. | ||
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
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ilovelings
Argentina776 Posts
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Morphling_
87 Posts
On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote: Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days. This is pretty much the most disgusting thing I've read in a long time. You just explicitly generalized that all men drive more recklessly than all women. You just explicitly stated that all women drive slow and are indecisive. You just generalized an average kid (presumed young male driver) to be an asshole who can't drive. Good job. PS: You should probably check the word discrimination in the dictionary, would probably answer your last question. | ||
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DenSkumle
Norway108 Posts
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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keiraknightlee
United States301 Posts
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Gaga
Germany433 Posts
On November 15 2011 18:32 hypercube wrote: The 3rd point is reasonable and should be mandatory for everyone, not just 18-24 year old males. Why should you be allowed to use your car in a way that's against the law and demonstratably increases your chances of killing someone? i can agree with the alkohol lock ... but as a german there is no such thing like a general limit on how fast i can drive. There are only speed limits for certain roads or parts of it. (ofc there are speed limits on most roads except parts of the highways) | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:56 Morphling_ wrote: This is pretty much the most disgusting thing I've read in a long time. You just explicitly generalized that all men drive more recklessly than all women. You just explicitly stated that all women drive slow and are indecisive. You just generalized an average kid (presumed young male driver) to be an asshole who can't drive. Good job. PS: You should probably check the word discrimination in the dictionary, would probably answer your last question. I'm with you on this... I have been driving since 17, I have never had an accident. I know many men who could say the same, I know many men who couldn't. I know many women who have had accidents, infact of all the people I know there are two girls who between them have caused more road accidents than the rest of us put together. 1 in 5 accidents are caused by men, but male drivers also outnumber women drivers and male drivers spend more time behind the wheel on average than women do especially at the ages of 18-25. Men like to drive, they drive their gf's and mates around, the only time I ever let my gf drive is when I'm either not sober or too tired, most men who can drive are like me... they like to be the one doing the driving. Yes young men tend to be more accident prone in a car but many more good and safe young male drivers exist than unsafe ones. You can't punish me for someone else's crimes. | ||
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Trentelshark
Canada385 Posts
On November 15 2011 19:53 BlackJack wrote: They've shown cars like this on Top Gear that have a speed limiter and when your gps senses that you're at a race track it turns off. I think one of the first vehicles equipped with it was the Nissan GTR which on the street is substantially detuned. On the flip side just because you have the power/top speed doesn't mean you have to use it, there's simply some vehicles younger people should not own and most places have a track (strip or circuit) and open lapping days close enough to go there if you want to use it for what it was built for. I dread the day vehicles like mine and others in its class are cheap enough for a 17/18 year old to purchase used (already close) because there's nothing to stop them from bottoming it out/racing short of common sense. There's also no way to detune it on the fly short of flashing the ECM with a lesser tune which most parents wouldn't have a clue how to do and it's inconvenient to continually reflash the vehicle in the first place  .Do I think the approach the OP posted is over the top, yes, most definitely. Some good points, but too extreme. As for the male versus female debate, it's not so much a sex thing more-so that overly defensive drivers piss people off and cause more accidents with their indecisive/timid approach behind the wheel. I'm not saying drive like a dipshit, but checking your blindspot 45 times, hammering on the brakes for no reason, etc causes problems on highways and in the city. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 15 2011 18:51 zakmaa wrote: This. I think that you are taking it out of line OP and being much too defensive. It's not that women are trying to overthrow men or something, she is legitimately trying to reduce the amounts of collisions in your country and for that you should be for it. If those restrictions were imposed upon men in Norway then I can guarantee you that the collision rate would plummet as those are the very people that cause the most collisions in the world. Such a bad way to argue - you could apply the same to rape... "Most rapes are committed by men, therefore this law that punishes ALL men should be acceptable"...... Its just not a good idea -_- | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 15 2011 18:24 Elegy wrote: hell I'd be down with alcohol locks (breathalyzer I'm assuming) on all cars as standard features, but yeah this is pretty ridiculous and over the top. crazy people are crazy people and politicians are no exception! I wouldn't.... Those things take FOREVER to start your car. Absolutely forever. I had to borrow my friend's car who had one installed, ridiculous pain in the ass, not to mention that you have to constantly blow into it sporadically at different periods or else your car will auto shut down on you. | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:56 Morphling_ wrote: This is pretty much the most disgusting thing I've read in a long time. You just explicitly generalized that all men drive more recklessly than all women. You just explicitly stated that all women drive slow and are indecisive. You just generalized an average kid (presumed young male driver) to be an asshole who can't drive. Good job. PS: You should probably check the word discrimination in the dictionary, would probably answer your last question. You forgot to mention that slow and indecisive driving can represent a hazard. | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
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