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i read this one this morning and it gave me a great laugh to be honest..
quick summary for the ones not bothering for the link (or dont know norwegian):
Some politician (female just to make even more laughable) wants to put a restriction on norwegian males between 18 and 24 that has a driver license (btw 18 is the needed age for drivers license in norway)
1. they cant have passengers
2. not allowed to drive while dark
3. cars must be outfitted with an alcohol-lock and speed-lock..
For me atleast and most of reasonable people this is so far of base its hilarious..
the only reasoning i could find was that 1/5 of accidents involved a young male, and ofc its a right that everyone should feel safe in traffic...
but in general lets look at the faults of this "plan"...
gender and age discrimination, if you are an asshole in traffic at 23... you will probably still be one at 26..
and ofc the feminist movement have fought for "equal rights" for many years.. and now a woman want to make a law that prohibits men from doing something a woman can... irony anyone? 
no passengers... so an 23 year old guy is not allowed to drive his kid sister to school.. but if she's 18 she can drive him.. very unreasonable
not allowed to drive in the dark... though nightvision got worse by the years... and just think about the poor bastards in northern norway.. where in the start of the year have abit over 1 hour during the day with light... 
but hey.. it might be a deliberate attempt to have many insane claims that will kinda overshadow the smaller restrictions in there
alcohol and speed lock aint that a bad idea.. IF! they aim it to be for everyone.. any gender.. any age
though quite a fun laugh... and also a nice pause from the steriotypical "look at what the crazy americans are up to now" threads.. there are carzy people everywhere 
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hell I'd be down with alcohol locks (breathalyzer I'm assuming) on all cars as standard features, but yeah this is pretty ridiculous and over the top.
crazy people are crazy people and politicians are no exception!
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This law is nailing all the wrong points. Most of the people my age from my college drive recklessly... It should not target any specific age or gender. In fact the craziest car I've ridden on was a girl who wanted to give a guy a "birthday treat". I was praying the entire trip, it was scary.
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The 3rd point is reasonable and should be mandatory for everyone, not just 18-24 year old males. Why should you be allowed to use your car in a way that's against the law and demonstratably increases your chances of killing someone?
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Well Australia's got some of what you described, we've got insane rules and limits for Provisional drivers (between 17~21 years old approximately)
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On November 15 2011 18:32 hypercube wrote:
The 3rd point is reasonable and should be mandatory for everyone, not just 18-24 year old males. Why should you be allowed to use your car in a way that's against the law and demonstratably increases your chances of killing someone?
Only illegal on public roads I believe. You can drunk drive all you like if you are on private property as far as I am aware. Might be a country by country thing. You can speed on race tracks which you pay t do a lap on and it is perfectly legal. In general I agree those should be there but there are situations where you can do that stuff and it is completely legal, which means there would need to be a way to turn them off easily which would defeat the entire point.
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The gender discrimination is just ridiculous. I do love whenever us white males get to play the "victim of discrimination" card though. I hope Norway has people that are as good at faking outrage as we have in the states. Maybe you can get her to lose her job.
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Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days.
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On November 15 2011 18:39 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 18:32 hypercube wrote:
The 3rd point is reasonable and should be mandatory for everyone, not just 18-24 year old males. Why should you be allowed to use your car in a way that's against the law and demonstratably increases your chances of killing someone? Only illegal on public roads I believe. You can drunk drive all you like if you are on private property as far as I am aware. Might be a country by country thing. You can speed on race tracks which you pay t do a lap on and it is perfectly legal. In general I agree those should be there but there are situations where you can do that stuff and it is completely legal, which means there would need to be a way to turn them off easily which would defeat the entire point.
i'm not sure about drunk driving on private property in norway... not that many private roads anyways :p
but yeah i have to agree to the speeding on race tracks, so you would need a simple way to shut it off.. but maybe also some sort of warning that it is off, also outside the car... maybe some of the lights goes of or something weird like that
might be as simple as having the signaling lights blinking in alternating patterns.. only reason to have the speedlock off in normal traffic would be to speed anyways... and it would open up for emergency driving
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On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote:
Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days.
It is discrimination... even if i agree with the fact that guys are more careless than girls coming to driving.
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On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote:
Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days.
This. I think that you are taking it out of line OP and being much too defensive. It's not that women are trying to overthrow men or something, she is legitimately trying to reduce the amounts of collisions in your country and for that you should be for it. If those restrictions were imposed upon men in Norway then I can guarantee you that the collision rate would plummet as those are the very people that cause the most collisions in the world.
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Don't exactly know what alcohol-lock and speed-lock are, but I kindof get the idea.
Seems like a stupid idea that wouldn't change anything, it probably will not happen but if it does, I'm using my first vote ever (I can vote for the next election :D ) to NOT vote AP ^^
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On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote:
Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days.
well in this case it is discrimination.. if you target anything (in this case a nation wide law) against a certain segment of the population, its technically discrimination...
its also a statistical fact that many of the girls in my class at school when i turned 18 drove like monkeys on speed...
and there are not THAT many avarage "asshole kids".... most are avarage kids that actually dont drive like idiots.... they still need experience and training to get properly used to driving (having a license does not mean you're a good driver.. it makes you a driver... time to get good) but they are not idiots...
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On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote:
Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days.
Yea, most women don't drive recklessly, just like most men. Are you gonna put a blanket restriction on all men just because a handful of them drive recklessly? Segregating people by a characteristic that is correlated to an issue at hand rather than a characteristic that is causal of the issue is discrimination.
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On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote:
Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days.
Well, it is discrimination. That's a simple fact. That doesn't make it wrong, however - we discriminate all the time, whether that's not allowing young people to vote or making old people get tests to make sure they're still capable of driving.
Personally, I don't think this is reasonable. I already pay considerably more in (mandatory) insurance for my sex and age. I assume the same is true in Norway. A speed/alcohol check seems reasonable for everyone, no passengers for young people makes some sense but I don't see why it would only be males, and not being allowed to drive in the dark seems ridiculous. In technical ability, males are considerably better than females, it is temperament that is the issue, so why would they be penalised in something that only affects technical ability?
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On November 15 2011 18:56 achristes wrote:
Don't exactly know what alcohol-lock and speed-lock are, but I kindof get the idea.
Seems like a stupid idea that wouldn't change anything
Why do you think that? I mean about alcohol and speed-locks specifically.
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This is like reverse Saudi Arabic restrictions.
LOL.
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On November 15 2011 18:51 zakmaa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote:
Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days. This. I think that you are taking it out of line OP and being much too defensive. It's not that women are trying to overthrow men or something, she is legitimately trying to reduce the amounts of collisions in your country and for that you should be for it. If those restrictions were imposed upon men in Norway then I can guarantee you that the collision rate would plummet as those are the very people that cause the most collisions in the world.
aye you might be right... if the statistics in the article is correct it would be up to 20% reduction
but still the same.. it might be good intentions.. but its still idiotic,
it would be the same as having statistics that say that "most robberies are caused by immigrants for bortvekkistan" so all people from that place would have to stay indoors after dark
any law should be for everyone... not just a distinct segment of the population
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On November 15 2011 19:00 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 18:56 achristes wrote:
Don't exactly know what alcohol-lock and speed-lock are, but I kindof get the idea.
Seems like a stupid idea that wouldn't change anything Why do you think that? I mean about alcohol and speed-locks specifically.
Alcohol and speed-lock could be good or bad, I wouldn't really know that. But if seriously, not allowed to drive in the dark ?
IMO that's just stupid. I can't drive yet, but when I'm done with two years of theoretical training to be able to drive then I'm suddenly not allowed to either have passengers, drive in the dark, this only counts for guys(boys/young men/whatever you want to call it) AND still pay a shitload of money for insurance. So I guess something would change, but not for the better.
I think it would piss people off and wouldn't help that much, people would find a way to drive when its dark and stuff anyway so why bother ?
but still the same.. it might be good intentions.. but its still idiotic,
it would be the same as having statistics that say that "most robberies are caused by immigrants for bortvekkistan" so all people from that place would have to stay indoors after dark
Haha, that one made me laugh ^^ (I did get your point)
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I believe barring all female to drive is a much better way to solve the problem.
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