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I'm still not sure what the point of putting him in prison is. It's not like he'll be treated or helped, so after he gets out, he'll probably do it again. At this point, life is better in prison, since when he gets out, the social tags applied to him aren't going to let him live a normal life.
[QUOTE]On November 11 2011 06:47 Hertzy wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 11 2011 04:04 yarkO wrote:
The downfall of society starts when we stop protecting our children. Anybody who says that possessing child porn should be met with anything other than the harshest of penalties needs a hard reality check.
They aren't just 'kinky', or have some 'fetish' that they are harboring innocently. There are millions of sites out there with people who LOOK young but are not. This pervert went and looked for CHILDREN HAVING SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS and kept what he found so he could repeatedly enjoy it.
He does not need counselling, he does not need pills, or a talking doctor; what he needs is to be permanently removed from society- and so he has. Kudos to a justice system that recognizes the severity of allowing children to be sexualized and marketed.
There's no hope for these monsters, stop acting like there is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because its not like he's human or anything. And yes, he does need counselling and treatment. People with mental disorders need to be treated. It's how society works. Take this for example: people who are insane may not understand their actions, and may kill people (among other possible actions) if they are not helped. By this logic, he should be sent to jail for life because he might do something. I can only guess you are a parent who is very happy with his family and you do not want this person in society. I can understand that, but please, don't forget that people have a chance to change.
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On November 11 2011 05:21 Anktious wrote:
I think this is adequate punishment for his crime, tbh.
My company did some private investigations in a case for the local police department and we helped put a pedophile rapist behind bars. He only got 45 years with a plea. This guy deserved life. I personally translated most of the documents since the guy didn't speak very much English, let alone write it and was pretty disgusting what he had done and how close he came to getting away with it.
People like this usually have a few screws missing in their head.
If we still had the electric chair (my state was one of the last ones to still use it), the guy I'm talking about most definitely deserved it.
I think you need to be incarcerated right now. You're having thoughts about killing someone, which is very dangerous. A prison sentence equating first-degree murder should be good enough. No one is arguing that people who act on urges and harm others should not be dealt with. Remember though, murder does not get the death penalty, so just reassure me that you mean murder should be dealt with more severely.
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On November 11 2011 09:46 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:21 Anktious wrote:
I think this is adequate punishment for his crime, tbh.
My company did some private investigations in a case for the local police department and we helped put a pedophile rapist behind bars. He only got 45 years with a plea. This guy deserved life. I personally translated most of the documents since the guy didn't speak very much English, let alone write it and was pretty disgusting what he had done and how close he came to getting away with it.
People like this usually have a few screws missing in their head.
If we still had the electric chair (my state was one of the last ones to still use it), the guy I'm talking about most definitely deserved it. I think you need to be incarcerated right now. You're having thoughts about killing someone, which is very dangerous. A prison sentence equating first-degree murder should be good enough. No one is arguing that people who act on urges and harm others should not be dealt with. Remember though, murder does not get the death penalty, so just reassure me that you mean murder should be dealt with more severely.
I love that you, who seems to be in support of the point that the pedophile got way too much time, thinks that thought policing is okay.
Also, you completely misunderstood his entire post.
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On November 11 2011 10:03 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 09:46 Dark_Chill wrote:On November 11 2011 05:21 Anktious wrote:
I think this is adequate punishment for his crime, tbh.
My company did some private investigations in a case for the local police department and we helped put a pedophile rapist behind bars. He only got 45 years with a plea. This guy deserved life. I personally translated most of the documents since the guy didn't speak very much English, let alone write it and was pretty disgusting what he had done and how close he came to getting away with it.
People like this usually have a few screws missing in their head.
If we still had the electric chair (my state was one of the last ones to still use it), the guy I'm talking about most definitely deserved it. I think you need to be incarcerated right now. You're having thoughts about killing someone, which is very dangerous. A prison sentence equating first-degree murder should be good enough. No one is arguing that people who act on urges and harm others should not be dealt with. Remember though, murder does not get the death penalty, so just reassure me that you mean murder should be dealt with more severely. I love that you, who seems to be in support of the point that the pedophile got way too much time, thinks that thought policing is okay. Also, you completely misunderstood his entire post.
Damn it, it's hard to convey sarcasm on the internet. From what I understood, the post was concerning how people who actually take part in this or take action are deserving of prison time. If I'm wrong, then I'd like him to say what his actual message was.
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So, following the same logic. If somehow I deliberately watch a record of a crime scene...
I should spend the rest of my life in jail, not the actual murdered. Makes sense... Q_Q
The sad part is.. Well, a guy watching child porn is definitely sick, but he needs treatment I guess, not this(
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On November 11 2011 16:18 Elefes wrote:
So, following the same logic. If somehow I deliberately watch a record of a crime scene...
I should spend the rest of my life in jail, not the actual murdered. Makes sense... Q_Q
The sad part is.. Well, a guy watching child porn is definitely sick, but he needs treatment I guess, not this(
OMG I MUST STOP WATCHING CSI LEST IT MOTIVATE ME TO MURDER.
Seriously the displacement of reality (They are bad people, this will never happen to me) here is astounding... more so that some are going to be our future PhD professors and mental health professionals.
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Not only is the punishment not suitable for the crime, but the criminal is one who I'd say could be rehabilitated and/or regulated, and hence should never be sentenced to drastically-prolonged or infinite duration penalties or death penalties for such crimes.
The prison and justice system has so many problems which results in too many needless prisoners, and too much taxpayer money spent. Most prisoners should be rehabilitated, and repeated criminally insane, and sociopath offenders should be killed. It's certainly a contentious issue, but I would like to think people would rather have that, than silly cases of some guy —doing virtually nothing wrong to anyone— costing taxpayers millions of dollars.
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He has to be punished.....But while real murders and rapist get like 6 years or something....he gets lifelong.... That ain't right. He definitly needs to sit in jail for like 8 year or something and definitly needs treatment, but he can't be punished harder then a murder or rapist.....that's also SICK!
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Life sentence is stupid...
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On November 11 2011 09:39 Dark_Chill wrote:I'm still not sure what the point of putting him in prison is. It's not like he'll be treated or helped, so after he gets out, he'll probably do it again. At this point, life is better in prison, since when he gets out, the social tags applied to him aren't going to let him live a normal life. Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 04:04 yarkO wrote:
The downfall of society starts when we stop protecting our children. Anybody who says that possessing child porn should be met with anything other than the harshest of penalties needs a hard reality check.
They aren't just 'kinky', or have some 'fetish' that they are harboring innocently. There are millions of sites out there with people who LOOK young but are not. This pervert went and looked for CHILDREN HAVING SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS and kept what he found so he could repeatedly enjoy it.
He does not need counselling, he does not need pills, or a talking doctor; what he needs is to be permanently removed from society- and so he has. Kudos to a justice system that recognizes the severity of allowing children to be sexualized and marketed.
There's no hope for these monsters, stop acting like there is. Yeah, because its not like he's human or anything. And yes, he does need counselling and treatment. People with mental disorders need to be treated. It's how society works. Take this for example: people who are insane may not understand their actions, and may kill people (among other possible actions) if they are not helped. By this logic, he should be sent to jail for life because he might do something. I can only guess you are a parent who is very happy with his family and you do not want this person in society. I can understand that, but please, don't forget that people have a chance to change.
But just how far can a society with finite resources be expected to care for this kind of people? Personally, I'd say that it's the insane individual's duty to seek help before acting on their impulses.
For example, if someone kills people out of insanity, they have established that they are more likely to act on their insane impulses rather than to seek help. Therefore, I would say that the society should not be expected to expend limited resources on the hope that if the treatments reverse, the perpetrator will seek help unlike the first time.
Pedophilia is another such mental disease, and thus, the onus should be on the pedophile to seek help before acting on their impulses.
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On November 12 2011 00:28 Hertzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 09:39 Dark_Chill wrote:I'm still not sure what the point of putting him in prison is. It's not like he'll be treated or helped, so after he gets out, he'll probably do it again. At this point, life is better in prison, since when he gets out, the social tags applied to him aren't going to let him live a normal life. On November 11 2011 04:04 yarkO wrote:
The downfall of society starts when we stop protecting our children. Anybody who says that possessing child porn should be met with anything other than the harshest of penalties needs a hard reality check.
They aren't just 'kinky', or have some 'fetish' that they are harboring innocently. There are millions of sites out there with people who LOOK young but are not. This pervert went and looked for CHILDREN HAVING SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS and kept what he found so he could repeatedly enjoy it.
He does not need counselling, he does not need pills, or a talking doctor; what he needs is to be permanently removed from society- and so he has. Kudos to a justice system that recognizes the severity of allowing children to be sexualized and marketed.
There's no hope for these monsters, stop acting like there is. Yeah, because its not like he's human or anything. And yes, he does need counselling and treatment. People with mental disorders need to be treated. It's how society works. Take this for example: people who are insane may not understand their actions, and may kill people (among other possible actions) if they are not helped. By this logic, he should be sent to jail for life because he might do something. I can only guess you are a parent who is very happy with his family and you do not want this person in society. I can understand that, but please, don't forget that people have a chance to change. But just how far can a society with finite resources be expected to care for this kind of people? Personally, I'd say that it's the insane individual's duty to seek help before acting on their impulses. For example, if someone kills people out of insanity, they have established that they are more likely to act on their insane impulses rather than to seek help. Therefore, I would say that the society should not be expected to expend limited resources on the hope that if the treatments reverse, the perpetrator will seek help unlike the first time. Pedophilia is another such mental disease, and thus, the onus should be on the pedophile to seek help before acting on their impulses.
The difference between a pedophilia and a murderer is that the first one doesn't hurt anybody directly.
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Being attracted to 13yo girls/boys is actually not pedophilia(assuming they have hit puberty). I'm pretty sure its actually normal, not that most people will ever admit it.
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Some people clearly get blinded by rage.
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His actions have harmed nobody, he's acting on his impulses in a way that do not harm either children or society.
If I have thoughts of murdering the president and download a game that has me shooting and killing him in multiple ways does that mean I will get life in prison? or the death penalty, use your logic.
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Life is short. Everyone knows what is right and wrong in society. It isn't a big deal to shorten someones length of time in society if they can't obey the law.
I would vote for a death sentence myself. Of course murderers, rapists and many other types of criminals should also get death sentences. (fast, not with a decade of drawing it out). There might be money to help rehabilitate minor criminals then, or go into problem families and sort them out before they raise deadbeat kids.
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On November 12 2011 01:49 rederoin wrote:Being attracted to 13yo girls/boys is actually not pedophilia(assuming they have hit puberty). I'm pretty sure its actually normal, not that most people will ever admit it.
It is mostly a society thing. Child producing is attractive and 13yo is capable of that and historically getting married at that age was not uncommon. With that in mind I have to ask what kind of judge sets a president where you get more jail time for watching child porn than you would get for actually raping a child.
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I can't agree with the sentence considering the facts of the case.
First offense, apparently he just downloaded the pictures he wasn't part of a child-porn producing group.
Just makes no sense to me.
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Well, that explains why US prison population is so ridiculously high.
That's so fucking ridiculous. I read a guy got 10 years for stealing 100 dollars this year. This is a parody of justice. At least we know who it benefits.
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Well, that explains why US prison population is so ridiculously high.
That's so fucking ridiculous. I read a guy got 10 years for stealing 100 dollars this year. This is a parody of justice. At least we know who it benefits.
archaic drug and sentencing laws
also judges have almost total freedom in sentencing and sentencing guidelines are generally broad. and once you go in on a multiyear sentence it's pretty hard to get parole before you do a majority of your sentence.
so there's lots of guys who've been there for 10 or 12 years on a 15 year sentence when they probably shoulda been let out after 6 or 7, things like that.
politicians make building prisons too attractive to businesses that build and run them and to smaller towns where the new prisons are usually built.
new jobs, new bloated contracts, new taxes, new campaign donations + a "tough on crime" talking point, everybody gets their big fat piece of the pie. except the prisoners of course. and, in the end, the taxpayers.
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