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On November 06 2011 23:08 Gnax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:58 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:48 Gnax wrote:On November 06 2011 22:35 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:26 ayaz2810 wrote:
I'm more terrified that people in this thread are referring to liking child port like it's a harmless furry fetish. The exploitation of children for pornography or sexual pleasure in general is pretty much the worst thing someone can do short of killing another human being. In some cases, it could probably be considered worse. It amounts to psychological torture during the abuse, and for years after. I obviously can't speak for any other cultures or countries, but I think a zero tolerance approach here is a pretty good one.
Granted, I understand that the American justice system is fucked up. The prisons are overcrowded, and there are some ridiculous "crimes" out there, but being involved in CP in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a 7 year old and a 5 year old daughter. Regardless, sterilize him and lock him up. Firstly, in this particular case, he contributed to the actual bad thing a negligible amount. No one is saying that sexually abusing children is alright. The punishment should fit the harm caused by the crime. How much harm is caused by this crime? Pretty much none. He saw pictures. That's it. Since you've mentioned killing a human being... how many people have seen pictures of murdered people? Essentially everyone. How many people have seen videos of someone being murdered? A lot of people. These are seen as relatively normal, and no one accuses you of contributing to the murder. Yet seeing a video or even pictures of a lesser (not trivializing it, but it is not as bad as murder) crime taking part is somehow so much worse? It isn't. Compairing CP to videos/pictures of murders is beyond retarded. Do you people who do this even believe in that argument yourselves? 1. Child rape is arguably a worse crime than murder. Some people who were raped as children would probably rather get killed before it happened. That's how damaged they are after it. 2. Even if you say murder is worse, comparing someone watching someone get murder and someone beating off to CP is two completely different things. And very few people actually enjoy watching someone get murdered. But they still do it because it's one of those things you think is horrible but can't stop watching. While someone watching CP is liking it. Completely different things. 1. Not particularly relevant. I'm extremely against child rape, the perpetrators should be punished very severely for that, as should the perpetrators of murder. Murder still deserves a harsher sentence though, even if only for strictly practical purposes. If the harshest sentence possible is given for rape, then the person has nothing to lose and a much higher possibility of getting away with it if they kill them as well. 2. I'm not really saying that the motivations for people watching a murder and someone watching child porn are the same, but the important thing is not the motivation, but the act done and the harm caused by it. In both cases, the harm caused is... ~none. If the main reason to lock people up was the harm caused, then it would make more sense to remove prisons and give everyone fines. The main reason why people are locked up is because they are a danger to the society. And to me someone watching CP is potential future child molester/raper AKA danger to society.
Keyword is "potential"
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On November 06 2011 23:06 Mecker wrote:
Claiming that rape is worse than murder is nothing but irrational. Saying that people who were molested as children would rather be dead is complete nonsense and you all know it - if they wanted to be dead they would be dead. They might claim that they want to be dead but then they're just lying.
Besides, how many people have you actually met who were molested as a child? Might be that they think life is fucking awesome and are happy that they're alive. Seriously fed up with insensitive, irrational, posters who dare to make these claims about something they have no clue.
yes, i agree with this post, mostly. saying someone would rather be dead after being abused is stupid. no one knows what a victim of abuse really thinks except for the victim and, of all things, trying to guess that they would rather die (in light of all of the other options involving living - like maybe forgetting what happened or moving on) seems very dark.
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If it's proven he supported child porn by distributing it further or paying for it the sentence is fine for me. It's hard alright, but when i compare it to the sentences these monsters get over here...
+ Show Spoiler +In Leverkusen, Germany a Teacher got sentenced to 2 and a half years in jail, because he molested 62 children. That's the same sentence a dealer in Hamburg, Germany got for selling 100g of hash...
I can understand many pedophiles need help, but if they cross the line, actively taking part in crimes like that, they have to be removed from society. The life of the children is most certainly destroyed. Some can "deal" with it but most of them can't.
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On November 06 2011 23:06 Mecker wrote:
Claiming that rape is worse than murder is nothing but irrational. Saying that people who were molested as children would rather be dead is complete nonsense and you all know it - if they wanted to be dead they would be dead. They might claim that they want to be dead but then they're just lying.
Besides, how many people have you actually met who were molested as a child? Might be that they think life is fucking awesome and are happy that they're alive. Seriously fed up with insensitive, irrational, posters who dare to make these claims about something they have no clue.
I said they would rather be killed before it happened. Not necessarily after.
You say you're fed up with people who make claims about something they have no clue. You just made a claim a bout something you have no clue about yourself. Someone very close to me was raped as a child and many times attempted suicide. Her whole life has been shit because of one person made those sick fantasies real. So yeah, I have a pretty good clue about what I'm talking about.
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On November 06 2011 23:08 Gnax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:58 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:48 Gnax wrote:On November 06 2011 22:35 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:26 ayaz2810 wrote:
I'm more terrified that people in this thread are referring to liking child port like it's a harmless furry fetish. The exploitation of children for pornography or sexual pleasure in general is pretty much the worst thing someone can do short of killing another human being. In some cases, it could probably be considered worse. It amounts to psychological torture during the abuse, and for years after. I obviously can't speak for any other cultures or countries, but I think a zero tolerance approach here is a pretty good one.
Granted, I understand that the American justice system is fucked up. The prisons are overcrowded, and there are some ridiculous "crimes" out there, but being involved in CP in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a 7 year old and a 5 year old daughter. Regardless, sterilize him and lock him up. Firstly, in this particular case, he contributed to the actual bad thing a negligible amount. No one is saying that sexually abusing children is alright. The punishment should fit the harm caused by the crime. How much harm is caused by this crime? Pretty much none. He saw pictures. That's it. Since you've mentioned killing a human being... how many people have seen pictures of murdered people? Essentially everyone. How many people have seen videos of someone being murdered? A lot of people. These are seen as relatively normal, and no one accuses you of contributing to the murder. Yet seeing a video or even pictures of a lesser (not trivializing it, but it is not as bad as murder) crime taking part is somehow so much worse? It isn't. Compairing CP to videos/pictures of murders is beyond retarded. Do you people who do this even believe in that argument yourselves? 1. Child rape is arguably a worse crime than murder. Some people who were raped as children would probably rather get killed before it happened. That's how damaged they are after it. 2. Even if you say murder is worse, comparing someone watching someone get murder and someone beating off to CP is two completely different things. And very few people actually enjoy watching someone get murdered. But they still do it because it's one of those things you think is horrible but can't stop watching. While someone watching CP is liking it. Completely different things. 1. Not particularly relevant. I'm extremely against child rape, the perpetrators should be punished very severely for that, as should the perpetrators of murder. Murder still deserves a harsher sentence though, even if only for strictly practical purposes. If the harshest sentence possible is given for rape, then the person has nothing to lose and a much higher possibility of getting away with it if they kill them as well. 2. I'm not really saying that the motivations for people watching a murder and someone watching child porn are the same, but the important thing is not the motivation, but the act done and the harm caused by it. In both cases, the harm caused is... ~none. If the main reason to lock people up was the harm caused, then it would make more sense to remove prisons and give everyone fines. The main reason why people are locked up is because they are a danger to the society. And to me someone watching CP is potential future child molester/raper AKA danger to society.
people are innocent until proven guilty for what they are charged, and the punishment is meant for that crime(s) alone. it doesn't really matter what it is to you personally.
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On November 06 2011 23:08 Gnax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:58 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:48 Gnax wrote:On November 06 2011 22:35 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:26 ayaz2810 wrote:
I'm more terrified that people in this thread are referring to liking child port like it's a harmless furry fetish. The exploitation of children for pornography or sexual pleasure in general is pretty much the worst thing someone can do short of killing another human being. In some cases, it could probably be considered worse. It amounts to psychological torture during the abuse, and for years after. I obviously can't speak for any other cultures or countries, but I think a zero tolerance approach here is a pretty good one.
Granted, I understand that the American justice system is fucked up. The prisons are overcrowded, and there are some ridiculous "crimes" out there, but being involved in CP in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a 7 year old and a 5 year old daughter. Regardless, sterilize him and lock him up. Firstly, in this particular case, he contributed to the actual bad thing a negligible amount. No one is saying that sexually abusing children is alright. The punishment should fit the harm caused by the crime. How much harm is caused by this crime? Pretty much none. He saw pictures. That's it. Since you've mentioned killing a human being... how many people have seen pictures of murdered people? Essentially everyone. How many people have seen videos of someone being murdered? A lot of people. These are seen as relatively normal, and no one accuses you of contributing to the murder. Yet seeing a video or even pictures of a lesser (not trivializing it, but it is not as bad as murder) crime taking part is somehow so much worse? It isn't. Compairing CP to videos/pictures of murders is beyond retarded. Do you people who do this even believe in that argument yourselves? 1. Child rape is arguably a worse crime than murder. Some people who were raped as children would probably rather get killed before it happened. That's how damaged they are after it. 2. Even if you say murder is worse, comparing someone watching someone get murder and someone beating off to CP is two completely different things. And very few people actually enjoy watching someone get murdered. But they still do it because it's one of those things you think is horrible but can't stop watching. While someone watching CP is liking it. Completely different things. 1. Not particularly relevant. I'm extremely against child rape, the perpetrators should be punished very severely for that, as should the perpetrators of murder. Murder still deserves a harsher sentence though, even if only for strictly practical purposes. If the harshest sentence possible is given for rape, then the person has nothing to lose and a much higher possibility of getting away with it if they kill them as well. 2. I'm not really saying that the motivations for people watching a murder and someone watching child porn are the same, but the important thing is not the motivation, but the act done and the harm caused by it. In both cases, the harm caused is... ~none. If the main reason to lock people up was the harm caused, then it would make more sense to remove prisons and give everyone fines. The main reason why people are locked up is because they are a danger to the society. And to me someone watching CP is potential future child molester/raper AKA danger to society.
Why stop at that?
Why not lock up people for live, who watch murder video's? or rape video's? or those who have a lolicon collection? Or those who have cybersex on the internet while pretending to be little girls?
Or how about the government watches them 24/7? makes perfect sense.
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So one is ill, but he still managed to don't harm children directly because he uses his pictures to satisfy his desires. Then he goes in jail for life? He's ill and has not commited direct harmed.
But life is this way, unfair.
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you must have a twisted mind yourself to even consider this to be injust, anyone who could do that doesnt warrant a place on this earth, torture him to death the wanker
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On November 06 2011 23:19 Gnax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 23:06 Mecker wrote:
Claiming that rape is worse than murder is nothing but irrational. Saying that people who were molested as children would rather be dead is complete nonsense and you all know it - if they wanted to be dead they would be dead. They might claim that they want to be dead but then they're just lying.
Besides, how many people have you actually met who were molested as a child? Might be that they think life is fucking awesome and are happy that they're alive. Seriously fed up with insensitive, irrational, posters who dare to make these claims about something they have no clue. I said they would rather be killed before it happened. Not necessarily after. You say you're fed up with people who make claims about something they have no clue. You just made a claim a bout something you have no clue about yourself. Someone very close to me was raped as a child and many times attempted suicide. Her whole life has been shit because of one person made does sick fantasies real. So yeah, I have a pretty good clue about what I'm talking about.
1 person's life is not another's. you can't say the person you know lives or thinks the same way other victims do, and choosing death over life is something that should be considered very personal and off-limits to someone else's assumptions.
it's just really weird that you say they would rather be killed before it happens too.
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On November 06 2011 23:20 taintmachine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 23:08 Gnax wrote:On November 06 2011 22:58 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:48 Gnax wrote:On November 06 2011 22:35 MrSalamandra wrote:On November 06 2011 22:26 ayaz2810 wrote:
I'm more terrified that people in this thread are referring to liking child port like it's a harmless furry fetish. The exploitation of children for pornography or sexual pleasure in general is pretty much the worst thing someone can do short of killing another human being. In some cases, it could probably be considered worse. It amounts to psychological torture during the abuse, and for years after. I obviously can't speak for any other cultures or countries, but I think a zero tolerance approach here is a pretty good one.
Granted, I understand that the American justice system is fucked up. The prisons are overcrowded, and there are some ridiculous "crimes" out there, but being involved in CP in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a 7 year old and a 5 year old daughter. Regardless, sterilize him and lock him up. Firstly, in this particular case, he contributed to the actual bad thing a negligible amount. No one is saying that sexually abusing children is alright. The punishment should fit the harm caused by the crime. How much harm is caused by this crime? Pretty much none. He saw pictures. That's it. Since you've mentioned killing a human being... how many people have seen pictures of murdered people? Essentially everyone. How many people have seen videos of someone being murdered? A lot of people. These are seen as relatively normal, and no one accuses you of contributing to the murder. Yet seeing a video or even pictures of a lesser (not trivializing it, but it is not as bad as murder) crime taking part is somehow so much worse? It isn't. Compairing CP to videos/pictures of murders is beyond retarded. Do you people who do this even believe in that argument yourselves? 1. Child rape is arguably a worse crime than murder. Some people who were raped as children would probably rather get killed before it happened. That's how damaged they are after it. 2. Even if you say murder is worse, comparing someone watching someone get murder and someone beating off to CP is two completely different things. And very few people actually enjoy watching someone get murdered. But they still do it because it's one of those things you think is horrible but can't stop watching. While someone watching CP is liking it. Completely different things. 1. Not particularly relevant. I'm extremely against child rape, the perpetrators should be punished very severely for that, as should the perpetrators of murder. Murder still deserves a harsher sentence though, even if only for strictly practical purposes. If the harshest sentence possible is given for rape, then the person has nothing to lose and a much higher possibility of getting away with it if they kill them as well. 2. I'm not really saying that the motivations for people watching a murder and someone watching child porn are the same, but the important thing is not the motivation, but the act done and the harm caused by it. In both cases, the harm caused is... ~none. If the main reason to lock people up was the harm caused, then it would make more sense to remove prisons and give everyone fines. The main reason why people are locked up is because they are a danger to the society. And to me someone watching CP is potential future child molester/raper AKA danger to society. people are innocent until proven guilty for what they are charged, and the punishment is meant for that crime(s) alone. it doesn't really matter what it is to you personally.
You're right about that. That doesn't stop me however from having no problem with him being locked up. And that's why I'm stating my opinions on a forum and not the streets with protest signs or go to government meetings.
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Just shows no restraint if you ask me, who says he won't get 'tempted'. 90% of these comments most likely say "good" and you know what, I agree.
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On November 06 2011 23:24 Connor987 wrote:
you must have a twisted mind yourself to even consider this to be injust, anyone who could do that doesnt warrant a place on this earth, torture him to death the wanker
So because he has a mental illness he deserves to be tortured? and you call us twisted?
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On November 06 2011 23:26 Gigglesstarcraft wrote:
Just shows no restraint if you ask me, who says he won't get 'tempted'. 90% of these comments most likely say "good" and you know what, I agree.
Who says I won't get tempted to kill you? It's one the main arguments people use against games like Grand Theft Auto.
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I dont really know how the US court system works but isn't there a chance to appeal? It looks like a redneck judge just doesn't know what he is doing.
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On November 06 2011 23:28 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 23:26 Gigglesstarcraft wrote:
Just shows no restraint if you ask me, who says he won't get 'tempted'. 90% of these comments most likely say "good" and you know what, I agree. Who says I won't get tempted to kill you? It's one the main arguments people use against games like Grand Theft Auto.
Difference is, you haven't shown signs of doing it. Nobody, nobody looks at porn and thinks, I'm happy with this, I never want to have sex with woman/men like that, I will stay on porn forever!
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Fucked up. Would've given him a slap on the wrist and some therapy.
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On November 06 2011 23:06 Mecker wrote:
Claiming that rape is worse than murder is nothing but irrational. Saying that people who were molested as children would rather be dead is complete nonsense and you all know it - if they wanted to be dead they would be dead. They might claim that they want to be dead but then they're just lying.
Besides, how many people have you actually met who were molested as a child? Might be that they think life is fucking awesome and are happy that they're alive. Seriously fed up with insensitive, irrational, posters who dare to make these claims about something they have no clue.
So i guess you know what you're talking about? You're some kind of expert in psychology? Did you study how traumatic events in your childhood can reflect on your later life? You make me sick.
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On November 06 2011 23:25 taintmachine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 23:19 Gnax wrote:On November 06 2011 23:06 Mecker wrote:
Claiming that rape is worse than murder is nothing but irrational. Saying that people who were molested as children would rather be dead is complete nonsense and you all know it - if they wanted to be dead they would be dead. They might claim that they want to be dead but then they're just lying.
Besides, how many people have you actually met who were molested as a child? Might be that they think life is fucking awesome and are happy that they're alive. Seriously fed up with insensitive, irrational, posters who dare to make these claims about something they have no clue. I said they would rather be killed before it happened. Not necessarily after. You say you're fed up with people who make claims about something they have no clue. You just made a claim a bout something you have no clue about yourself. Someone very close to me was raped as a child and many times attempted suicide. Her whole life has been shit because of one person made does sick fantasies real. So yeah, I have a pretty good clue about what I'm talking about. 1 person's life is not another's. you can't say the person you know lives or thinks the same way other victims do, and choosing death over life is something that should be considered very personal and off-limits to someone else's assumptions. it's just really weird that you say they would rather be killed before it happens too.
That's why I used the words "some" and "probably". I know it's 1/1 persons feelings. And my brain tells me, it's likely someone elses feelings aswell. That's how brains work.
Let's say someone gets raped at 10 and goes through hell until she's 20. And then is given the option to either end it peacefully or go through the same thing again. Do you really think it would be weird to choose the former?
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On November 06 2011 23:31 Gigglesstarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 23:28 Myles wrote:On November 06 2011 23:26 Gigglesstarcraft wrote:
Just shows no restraint if you ask me, who says he won't get 'tempted'. 90% of these comments most likely say "good" and you know what, I agree. Who says I won't get tempted to kill you? It's one the main arguments people use against games like Grand Theft Auto. Difference is, you haven't shown signs of doing it. Nobody, nobody looks at porn and thinks, I'm happy with this, I never want to have sex with woman/men like that, I will stay on porn forever!
So porn leads to rape?
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