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On November 06 2011 22:01 Gnax wrote:
Why are people so upset about a pedo getting a harsh sentence?
Newsflash, they are not people, and therefore not worthy of justice.
Newsflash, they are. Also, not worthy of justice? Surely everyone is worthy of justice, just depending on the crime that justice may be extremely harsh. In this example, the actual harm caused by his actions is incredibly minor at most (given that the biggest contribution he made to the industry is downloading, which... isn't contributing at all). He should get almost zero punishment, not a life sentence in prison.
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If all the info is true (He wasn't involved in the distribution/making, he simply found the material, downloaded it and, well, fapped to it), this is extremely disturbing. Furthermore, he didn't even have any previous offenses. He has a mental illness and he should be punished to some degree.
But locking a person up for the rest of his life when he didn't present any threat to society whatsoever is beyond retarded. Looks like yet another scapegoat..
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On November 06 2011 22:03 Carush wrote:Show nested quote +The fact that so many people support out of their disgust for the crime without giving rational thought to the implications is what's really frightening. this the fact that soooo many people are just like "fuck him he deserves worse, the fucking pedo isn't even human" scares the shit out of me.....
Yep, there are so many retards out there it's scary. The fact that some of those retards actually have a lot of power in society, like this judge, is even scarier.
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On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society.
You can view videos of a child getting killed online, without being arrested. But, if you view a video of a child being raped, you end up like this guy.
There are plenty of cases available for study where a rapist receives a worse sentence than a murderer.
I believe it has to do with western culture and its views on sex in comparison to its views on violence. Again, you can see videos of people getting killed, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, on television and in theaters. But, you will never see a full-frontal sex scene where you can see the penis or vagina clearly.
EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are.
Someone actually thinks this guy should be executed for possession for looking at kids naked online.
wise words
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On November 06 2011 22:16 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:01 Gnax wrote:
Why are people so upset about a pedo getting a harsh sentence?
Newsflash, they are not people, and therefore not worthy of justice. This thread is getting worse than the Brevik thread with the kneejerk illogical non-thought through responses making it seem like we're living in the 1400s. People making responses like this makes me lose faith in humanity more than pedos.
So you're saying a world without pedos living in the same society as young children would be bad for some reason? and in the 1400s the view on these types of things were leaning heavily towards the other way, so that comment makes no sense.
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I'm more terrified that people in this thread are referring to liking child port like it's a harmless furry fetish. The exploitation of children for pornography or sexual pleasure in general is pretty much the worst thing someone can do short of killing another human being. In some cases, it could probably be considered worse. It amounts to psychological torture during the abuse, and for years after. I obviously can't speak for any other cultures or countries, but I think a zero tolerance approach here is a pretty good one.
Granted, I understand that the American justice system is fucked up. The prisons are overcrowded, and there are some ridiculous "crimes" out there, but being involved in CP in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a 7 year old and a 5 year old daughter. Regardless, sterilize him and lock him up.
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On November 06 2011 22:20 JulsFoF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society.
You can view videos of a child getting killed online, without being arrested. But, if you view a video of a child being raped, you end up like this guy.
There are plenty of cases available for study where a rapist receives a worse sentence than a murderer.
I believe it has to do with western culture and its views on sex in comparison to its views on violence. Again, you can see videos of people getting killed, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, on television and in theaters. But, you will never see a full-frontal sex scene where you can see the penis or vagina clearly.
EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are.
Someone actually thinks this guy should be executed for possession for looking at kids naked online. wise words
The urge to kill is an important human instinct. We wouldn't exist whithout it. Whereas fucking a child is not so much needed.
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On November 06 2011 22:28 underscore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:20 JulsFoF wrote:On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society.
You can view videos of a child getting killed online, without being arrested. But, if you view a video of a child being raped, you end up like this guy.
There are plenty of cases available for study where a rapist receives a worse sentence than a murderer.
I believe it has to do with western culture and its views on sex in comparison to its views on violence. Again, you can see videos of people getting killed, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, on television and in theaters. But, you will never see a full-frontal sex scene where you can see the penis or vagina clearly.
EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are.
Someone actually thinks this guy should be executed for possession for looking at kids naked online. wise words The urge to kill is an important human instinct. We wouldn't exist whithout it. Whereas fucking a child is not so much needed.
Congratulations, might be the dumbest post in the thread so far.
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This stuff makes me absolutely sick, but the fact that the people molesting kids get lighter sentences then this is just horrific.
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On November 06 2011 21:46 flamewheel wrote:
Stuff likes this makes me damn ashamed to be an American.
Stuff like this is why Europeans look down on Americans saying their country is great.
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My view of this is pretty simple. He is basically getting a life sentence for a thought crime. And I think we can all agree that thought crimes are a fascist notion. And fascism is bad. Amirite?
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On November 06 2011 22:26 ayaz2810 wrote:
I'm more terrified that people in this thread are referring to liking child port like it's a harmless furry fetish. The exploitation of children for pornography or sexual pleasure in general is pretty much the worst thing someone can do short of killing another human being. In some cases, it could probably be considered worse. It amounts to psychological torture during the abuse, and for years after. I obviously can't speak for any other cultures or countries, but I think a zero tolerance approach here is a pretty good one.
Granted, I understand that the American justice system is fucked up. The prisons are overcrowded, and there are some ridiculous "crimes" out there, but being involved in CP in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a 7 year old and a 5 year old daughter. Regardless, sterilize him and lock him up.
Firstly, in this particular case, he contributed to the actual bad thing a negligible amount. No one is saying that sexually abusing children is alright.
The punishment should fit the harm caused by the crime. How much harm is caused by this crime? Pretty much none. He saw pictures. That's it. Since you've mentioned killing a human being... how many people have seen pictures of murdered people? Essentially everyone. How many people have seen videos of someone being murdered? A lot of people. These are seen as relatively normal, and no one accuses you of contributing to the murder. Yet seeing a video or even pictures of a lesser (not trivializing it, but it is not as bad as murder) crime taking part is somehow so much worse? It isn't.
As for thinking that the fetish itself is harmful... would depend on the person. There is very little to suggest that child porn acts as a gateway to child molestation. Certainly some do act upon their desires, but that is what should be punished, the act. Not thought crime. Being homicidal isn't a crime, murder is.
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On November 06 2011 22:30 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:28 underscore wrote:On November 06 2011 22:20 JulsFoF wrote:On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society.
You can view videos of a child getting killed online, without being arrested. But, if you view a video of a child being raped, you end up like this guy.
There are plenty of cases available for study where a rapist receives a worse sentence than a murderer.
I believe it has to do with western culture and its views on sex in comparison to its views on violence. Again, you can see videos of people getting killed, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, on television and in theaters. But, you will never see a full-frontal sex scene where you can see the penis or vagina clearly.
EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are.
Someone actually thinks this guy should be executed for possession for looking at kids naked online. wise words The urge to kill is an important human instinct. We wouldn't exist whithout it. Whereas fucking a child is not so much needed. Congratulations, might be the dumbest post in the thread so far.
Ehh he's completely right. We're by our very nature destructive and terrible creatures. Killing is part of survival as sad as that is. Rape is not.
On November 06 2011 22:34 Osmoses wrote:
My view of this is pretty simple. He is basically getting a life sentence for a thought crime. And I think we can all agree that thought crimes are a fascist notion. And fascism is bad. Amirite?
He didn't just think he looked. He didn't just look he downloaded. There was no thought crime bullshit going on your point is invalid.
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On November 06 2011 22:37 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:30 Animzor wrote:On November 06 2011 22:28 underscore wrote:On November 06 2011 22:20 JulsFoF wrote:On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society.
You can view videos of a child getting killed online, without being arrested. But, if you view a video of a child being raped, you end up like this guy.
There are plenty of cases available for study where a rapist receives a worse sentence than a murderer.
I believe it has to do with western culture and its views on sex in comparison to its views on violence. Again, you can see videos of people getting killed, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, on television and in theaters. But, you will never see a full-frontal sex scene where you can see the penis or vagina clearly.
EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are.
Someone actually thinks this guy should be executed for possession for looking at kids naked online. wise words The urge to kill is an important human instinct. We wouldn't exist whithout it. Whereas fucking a child is not so much needed. Congratulations, might be the dumbest post in the thread so far. Ehh he's completely right. We're by our very nature destructive and terrible creatures. Killing is part of survival as sad as that is. Rape is not. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:34 Osmoses wrote:
My view of this is pretty simple. He is basically getting a life sentence for a thought crime. And I think we can all agree that thought crimes are a fascist notion. And fascism is bad. Amirite? He didn't just think he looked. He didn't just look he downloaded. There was no thought crime bullshit going on your point is invalid.
2nd dumbest?
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On November 06 2011 22:37 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:30 Animzor wrote:On November 06 2011 22:28 underscore wrote:On November 06 2011 22:20 JulsFoF wrote:On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society.
You can view videos of a child getting killed online, without being arrested. But, if you view a video of a child being raped, you end up like this guy.
There are plenty of cases available for study where a rapist receives a worse sentence than a murderer.
I believe it has to do with western culture and its views on sex in comparison to its views on violence. Again, you can see videos of people getting killed, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, on television and in theaters. But, you will never see a full-frontal sex scene where you can see the penis or vagina clearly.
EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are.
Someone actually thinks this guy should be executed for possession for looking at kids naked online. wise words The urge to kill is an important human instinct. We wouldn't exist whithout it. Whereas fucking a child is not so much needed. Congratulations, might be the dumbest post in the thread so far. Ehh he's completely right. We're by our very nature destructive and terrible creatures. Killing is part of survival as sad as that is. Rape is not. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 22:34 Osmoses wrote:
My view of this is pretty simple. He is basically getting a life sentence for a thought crime. And I think we can all agree that thought crimes are a fascist notion. And fascism is bad. Amirite? He didn't just think he looked. He didn't just look he downloaded. There was no thought crime bullshit going on your point is invalid.
Rape is very much apart of our history. Sadly, even child rape since what we consider children now isn't even close to what is was in the past. You could definitely call is part of our survival as the strongest man was able to pass on his genes.
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EDIT NO FUCK THIS I JUST FELL IN THE GENERAL FORUM TRAP OF ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING ONLY MILDLY RELATED TO THE ACTUAL SUBJECT.
This punishment is disproportionately severe compared to the crime and will be overturned in appeal. I am confident of this. It goes without saying that I agree on harsher punishments for rape and child porn but this goes well beyond harsher and into the realm of ridiculous.
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