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theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
October 06 2012 14:44 GMT
#1241
Thanks for the advice.
I've set a goal of learning 5 kanji and 5 new words each day, minimum, additionally to the words I learn in my course. But on a slow weekend like this I just want to go balls deep and keep planting word-seeds lol.
Winners train. Loosers complain.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
October 06 2012 14:55 GMT
#1242
I'm going pretty slowly, just watering morning and night and adding about 5 new words a day. The amazing thing is i've managed to maintain that pace for almost 2 months, which is far more consistent than any other independent learning i've done outside of starcraft. I really think MMO style education games are the future of online learning after trying out this site.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Artifice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
October 06 2012 21:55 GMT
#1243
I've been doing Japanese for the past 2-3 weeks. I'm at 730 words and 155 kanji, in addition to clearing the Hiragana and Katakana lessons. I started out doing around 100 new words a day, but you have to slow down as watering starts becoming more time consuming (unless you dedicate more time, obviously). I don't really think there's a point to going slowly, just do what you're comfortable with. Personally I enjoy it, and it's not like I'm bombing my watering sessions, so I don't think I'm going too fast to retain things.
LioRawr
Profile Joined May 2011
56 Posts
October 07 2012 06:56 GMT
#1244
On October 06 2012 22:24 theJob wrote:
I find myself spending time on memrise instead of gaming, which is awsome.
Anyone know about how many new words is realistic to aim for per day?


As others said, it really depends on the language. Personally, if I learn new Finnish vocab, I can only learn ~ 5 - 10 max. per day when I want to remember them well. But when I do Norwegian or Latin vocab, I can go for ~ 30 per day without any problems. It highly depends on how easy the words are for memorizing them or how alike they are to words I already know.

Also, working with the mems & the additional infos provided can help a lot.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
October 07 2012 11:19 GMT
#1245
On October 06 2012 22:24 theJob wrote:
I find myself spending time on memrise instead of gaming, which is awsome.
Anyone know about how many new words is realistic to aim for per day?

I'd say it depends less on what language etc, and more on your time, dedication and technique. If you use proper mnemonics and have the time/dedication to put in several hours a day, you could probably do at least 100 words a day, regardless of language. Problem is that 1. You have to spend a ton of time and it's mentally exhausting to juggle that many mnemonics and 2. Your watering will become more or less unbearable after a while.

As for the second point, one can be surprised by the statistics. When I used Anki a lot (more or less an advanced desktop version of memrise), I worked a lot with SRS, and we had calculations on how quickly the amount of "watering" you had to do each day increased depending on daily input, and it was pretty ridiculous, Within a year, if you input like.. 20 words a day, you have to do 300 "waterings" a day. I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something pretty ridiculous like that.
Azza
Profile Joined June 2010
China650 Posts
October 07 2012 11:42 GMT
#1246
I stopped using this when Chinese people kept telling me what I was saying was wrong.

Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 07 2012 12:58 GMT
#1247
On October 07 2012 20:42 Azza wrote:
I stopped using this when Chinese people kept telling me what I was saying was wrong.

it's pretty accurate for vocab, but you have to supplement it with some grammar for anything to make any sense
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 07 2012 20:33 GMT
#1248
hey there, got a quick question:

Wasn't there an option to reduce the number of words you're given when doing watering? Right now I'm usually getting the default one (either 50 or 40, idk) and that's a bit too much for me. Not because it's too much itself but if I'm wrong on something and I've still got like 40 words left I'm very likely to just press enter twice really fast without actually remembering the word I just forgot because there's still so much left I need to cover thinking "screw that, will remember it next time anyways", which obviously won't be the case

TL;DR:
So basicly I want to reduce the number and do waterings in 4 small steps per day instead of doing 2 or 3 of those big 50-words runs and as mentioned I'm pretty sure I saw that option SOMEWHERE but I'm either paranoid/halucinating and it doesn't exist to begin with or I can't find it.

Help would be much appreciated :3
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
October 07 2012 20:55 GMT
#1249
I don't remember that feature ever existing. If you want, you can just water 10 and hit the stop button.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 07 2012 21:25 GMT
#1250


Guess that'll have to do for me. Should be incredible easy to implement something like that though, shouldn't it?
I'd really love to be able to do bigger runs in english and less words per session everywhere else :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 18:22:06
October 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#1251
Memrise leaderboard suspended due to cheating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memrise

Why would people cheat on memrise? Clearly the point of the website is self improvement. They're just cheating themselves in this regard. Or these people are just trolls who have no interest in learning a new language at all.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
October 15 2012 18:26 GMT
#1252
On October 16 2012 03:18 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Memrise leaderboard suspended due to cheating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memrise

Why would people cheat on memrise? Clearly the point of the website is self improvement. They're just cheating themselves in this regard. Or these people are just trolls who have no interest in learning a new language at all.

So they can jack off to their number 1 spot on the leaderboards.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
LioRawr
Profile Joined May 2011
56 Posts
October 17 2012 05:04 GMT
#1253
On October 16 2012 03:18 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Memrise leaderboard suspended due to cheating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memrise

Why would people cheat on memrise? Clearly the point of the website is self improvement. They're just cheating themselves in this regard. Or these people are just trolls who have no interest in learning a new language at all.


If there is a change of cheating on a competitive system, people will.
Personally, I think the disabled leaderboards are a huge letdown for my motivation, though I try to rack up as many points as I can even without the extra little 'push' from the competition.

The new memrise looks interesting so far (I was in the 2nd cohort of 500 to gain access), although it lacks a lot of features by now and is far from being complete. Just what you would expect from a Beta of a Beta
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
October 17 2012 05:43 GMT
#1254
I started looking at the Mandarin one, and they put the word that I learned as day, as Sun. WTF?
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 05:51:46
October 17 2012 05:50 GMT
#1255
it means both, look under alternative meanings
but yeah generally it's used to mean day or day of the week
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
October 17 2012 06:06 GMT
#1256
On October 17 2012 14:50 Dead9 wrote:
it means both, look under alternative meanings
but yeah generally it's used to mean day or day of the week


My first language is Chinese, and I've never seen/heard it being used to reference the sun... shouldn't they use the primary meaning? I don't want people reading "Day 30" as "Sun 30"
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 17 2012 06:46 GMT
#1257
yeah the primary definition should probably be day, but the literal meaning of the character is sun
it's the same way 月 (yue4) literally means moon but is primarily used for months, though i suppose it's used much more often for moon than 日 is for sun

my first language is chinese as well, and there's plenty of words that use 日 that reference the sun
but the only examples i can think of right now are 日光 = sunlight and 日本 = japan = origin of the sun lol
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
October 17 2012 07:03 GMT
#1258
Man I'd forgotten about this website after binging on it when it first came out. Seeing non-language lists like Herbs and stuff is awesome!
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
October 17 2012 07:22 GMT
#1259
On October 16 2012 03:18 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Memrise leaderboard suspended due to cheating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memrise

Why would people cheat on memrise? Clearly the point of the website is self improvement. They're just cheating themselves in this regard. Or these people are just trolls who have no interest in learning a new language at all.

"The cheating in question is that several members of the community appear to be using bots to accrue more points; others are using dummy courses with simple answers to rack up vast scores; and in one case we have evidence that a small army of children has been employed to exaggerate one individual's learning accomplishments. While we applaud the imagination and competitiveness of such cheats, we condemn their behaviour, which is unfair on everyone else in the community. "

Shit's cray.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
tRavE
Profile Joined April 2012
United States23 Posts
October 24 2012 22:59 GMT
#1260
Starting this up again now for some review that I have some time in my final semester of Korean. Again, if anyone needs help with grammar or anything or translating Korean-English, English-Korean, feel free to shoot me a PM. I can explain things relatively well since English is my first language.
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