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On November 04 2011 06:03 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression?
While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing.
On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here: No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL. Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? shhh you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites Hehehe oops. I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back.
As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad.
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On November 04 2011 06:26 Mstring wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:03 bonifaceviii wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression? While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing. Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here: No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL. Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? shhh you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites Hehehe oops. I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back. As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad.
I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about.
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I'm currently on adblock strike to get original horse mascot reinstated. First the banner, then the adblock message! This is outrageous! Of course, there's a little problem that no one knows about my movement... but I digress.
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On November 04 2011 05:36 ODieN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:33 RusHXceL wrote:
Why is there an elephant and not a TL horse? isn't the horse the mascot? The TL horse never cries.
But horse glare HAUNTS YOUR SOUL.
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Aren't the ads pay per click or whatever. So unless I actually click the ads, TL doesn't get paid? I don't plan on clicking them, so I don't unblock the website.
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I'd use adblock if there weren't a giant number of sites and streams I spend time on.
Too lazy to enable a filter.
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Please stop writing esports in caps. It's annoying as hell.
And i don't use adblock.
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On November 04 2011 06:28 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:26 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 06:03 bonifaceviii wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression? While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing. On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here: No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL. Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? shhh you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites Hehehe oops. I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back. As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad. I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about.
So you can't explain the benefit? Got it.
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I have adblock disabled on the main forum page and enabled on the rest.
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I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
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On November 04 2011 06:25 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:23 SupLilSon wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what does the TL ad revenue go towards? Because I know TL staffers are volunteers. I'm assuming the money isn't an astronomical amount and goes towards something necessary for TL to exist. I would imagine the site has a somewhat significant overhead since the explosion SC2 started. Doesn't really matter though. The site design has improved a lot since then, and I feel like supporting the Liquid SC2 team as well so it is a win/win for me. My left sidebar has no ads on it. Don't see why it doesn't.
Yea, I'm just saying if people saw that it didn't go into anyone's pocket and is most likely being used to provide the commodity which is TL, then it might change people's minds.
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On November 04 2011 06:32 Mstring wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:28 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 06:26 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 06:03 bonifaceviii wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression? While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing. On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here: No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL. Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? shhh you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites Hehehe oops. I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back. As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad. I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about. So you can't explain the benefit? Got it.
I'm sorry google is too complicated for you, if you ever figure it out and have questions, you can always PM me.
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I use adblock because of how useful it is for browsing the web. But even thought I have clicked do not enable for this site and have a filter on my internet security for TL. The ad still shows
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On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote:
because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
If it's such an awesome service and you want them to stick around, why not send them a few dollars directly? You'll be giving them way more than they would have otherwise made through you watching ads.
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On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote:
I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service! Unfortunately it's because people are just selfish. Props to the people who don't use adblock.
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I had to allow "Googlesyndication.com" in NoScript for the Ads to show. Incase some of you use both Adblock and NoScript and still see no ads after disabling adblock for this site, try allowing beforementioned site in NoScript.
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On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote:
I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
It's not that people with Adblock wants to take away their income. It's to do with the fact that you miss content if you have ads enabled. I can't count how many times I've seen funny shit happend on player cam when he writes /commercial and everyone without Adblock misses it.
If there is a way to unblock the elephant part but still blocking the stream ads let me know.
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On November 04 2011 06:36 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:32 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 06:28 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 06:26 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 06:03 bonifaceviii wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression? While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing. On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:
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How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here: No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL. Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:
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How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support? LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? shhh you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites Hehehe oops. I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back. As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad. I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about. So you can't explain the benefit? Got it. I'm sorry google is too complicated for you, if you ever figure it out and have questions, you can always PM me.
It is not my responsibility to argue your position.
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Hellz no. Adblock hurts e-sports.
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On November 04 2011 06:38 Mstring wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 06:36 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 06:32 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 06:28 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 06:26 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 06:03 bonifaceviii wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression? While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing. On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:
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LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here: No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL. Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale. On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:
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LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this. I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means. Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return. Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway. Do you see a problem here? shhh you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites Hehehe oops. I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back. As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad. I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about. So you can't explain the benefit? Got it. I'm sorry google is too complicated for you, if you ever figure it out and have questions, you can always PM me. It is not my responsibility to argue your position.
It's not my responsibility to do basic research for you on the topic at hand.
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On November 04 2011 06:23 SupLilSon wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what does the TL ad revenue go towards? Because I know TL staffers are volunteers. I'm assuming the money isn't an astronomical amount and goes towards something necessary for TL to exist.
I'm pretty sure R1CH and 3 or 4 others get paid, and then there's HQ, and there's also stuff in the store. On top of that there's the domain registration (paltry $8/year or so), as well as the server costs, and the probably a whole load for bandwidth. Likely Liquid`'s salary (if there is one, which there probably is, but I've never seen their contracts) and expenses. There's probably also other stuff none of us would even think of.
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