On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote: For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale.
It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression?
While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing.
On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote: [quote]
LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this.
I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means.
Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return.
Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway.
Do you see a problem here?
No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here:
No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale.
On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote: [quote]
LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this.
I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means.
Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return.
Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway.
Do you see a problem here?
shhh
you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites
Hehehe oops.
I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back.
As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad.
I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about.
So you can't explain the benefit? Got it.
I'm sorry google is too complicated for you, if you ever figure it out and have questions, you can always PM me.
It is not my responsibility to argue your position.
It is your responsibility to be educated in what you stand for though and multiple people in this thread have told you to get a clue. Stop being a smart-ass and do some research.
As far as I know, there is no such thing as 'exceptions' for Opera AdBlock, so it's kind of a hassle for me. For a quick visit it is most often, 'On', but I do tend to turn off adblock when I browse TL for a longer period of time or when watching streams.
I have to say the ads on TL have never been an issue for me, and most of the time I don't even notice it. Ads on other sites tend to be incredibly intrusive and/or annoying though, so until the add-on for Opera is fixed, it will be a 50/50 case for me.
The reason I have it adblocked is because when I removed it, the site loaded NOTICEABLY slower constantly. It was definitely very intrusive for me, so i have left it blocked because I don't enjoy spending so much time for it to load.
I turned adblock off for around 4 days, but the ads were so stupidly unsubtle that I couldn't NOT pay attention to them. I really tried, but whoever created these banner ads has no idea who we are as a community and just seeing them pisses me off. It's not worth it for me because they make me not enjoy this site.
On November 04 2011 02:36 decaf wrote: 1. open up the Add-Ons Manager by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+A 2. open up the options-menu of AdBlock Plus 3. click on 'Add filter...' 4. paste following line into the textfield: 5. @@||teamliquid.net^$document 6. Press ok/apply 7. $$ profit (for TL )
That isn't a perfect solution. I've had that applied for a long time, but I still often see the crying elephant. So if someone has a solution (that doesn't involve globally allowing all sites that TL might pull ads from) I'd be happy to apply it.
On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote: I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
Unfortunately it's because people are just selfish. Props to the people who don't use adblock.
There's also some that use laptops and need more battery life.
On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote: For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale.
It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression?
While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing.
On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote: Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support?
LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this.
I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means.
Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return.
Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway.
Do you see a problem here?
No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here:
No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale.
On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:37 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:30 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:27 Kamais_Ookin wrote: Absolutely shame on everyone who has adblock on, I support TL 100%
How much money has been transfered (by buying things from seeing ads, or from direct donations) from you to TL as a result of your shameless 100% support?
LOL you do realize often times sites get paid by the number of times the ad is displayed, regardless of if someone clicked it or even bought anything right? It doesn't sound like you know this but your smug attitude makes it sound like you should know this.
I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means.
Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return.
Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway.
Do you see a problem here?
shhh
you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites
Hehehe oops.
I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back.
As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad.
I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about.
So you can't explain the benefit? Got it.
I don't get why you're being so difficult about this. It's not like this is a particularly new concept, whether on internet , tv or even radio. If the concept doesn't work that ads that people hear, but don't necessarily purchase, then why are we still doing it for the last 90 years. (1920 was the first radio ad.)
Actually with print media, it's probably closer to 200 years if not earlier.
On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote: I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
Unfortunately it's because people are just selfish. Props to the people who don't use adblock.
There's also some that use laptops and need more battery life.
I can relate to the laptop users and I think that's a good reason to turn ad-block on but I meant desktop users at home.
On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote: I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
Unfortunately it's because people are just selfish. Props to the people who don't use adblock.
There's also some that use laptops and need more battery life.
I can relate to the laptop users and I think that's a good reason to turn ad-block on but I meant desktop users at home.
But that still uses more watts in the end for the desktop user.
I have adblock disabled for TL on my main browser, but I originally had it blocked so I don't get popups while watching streams. Now if I want to watch ad-less streams I use the twitch.tv direct link provided or I use another browser that has adblock enabled.
On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote: I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
Unfortunately it's because people are just selfish. Props to the people who don't use adblock.
There's also some that use laptops and need more battery life.
I can relate to the laptop users and I think that's a good reason to turn ad-block on but I meant desktop users at home.
But that still uses more watts in the end for the desktop user.
Lol? If you use more power on laptop the battery runs out faster and it makes sense in most situations to use ad-block. Who cares about using more watts at home though, that's like paying an extra dime every month for power bill.
I hate ads, so yes, I have it adblocked. Plus at work, the elephant (or the previous TL plushie) are harmless, whereas you will never know what an ad might throw to your face.
I do "contribute to eSports" with my +1 to the livestreams whenever they happen, and with the ocasional finantial contribution to the scene when I judge it really worth it (I still think the 5€ for the homestory cup were the 5 better spent euros of probably all my life).
It's 50/50 for me. I'll disable it for a time, but when you have some streamers playing like 4 ads concurrent, I get tired of it pretty damn fast. The ads on here are so unobtrusive that for browsing, my adblock would be off 100% of the time, unfortunately, I watch the streams on here as well and the commercials are never the same volume as the streamer. This poses a problem because I usually leave it on when going to bed.
It's been disabled for a few days, after being enabled for a few days, after being disabled, etc, etc...
On November 04 2011 06:33 SultanVinegar wrote: I don't get why people would adblock TL, the ads here are completely non-intrusive. I am really pissed that people would block ads for streams, because that's how the streamers make most of their money! Most "pros" don't make enough money from their contracts to live off of, I don't know why you would take away their extra income that they get for providing you such an awesome service!
Unfortunately it's because people are just selfish. Props to the people who don't use adblock.
There's also some that use laptops and need more battery life.
I can relate to the laptop users and I think that's a good reason to turn ad-block on but I meant desktop users at home.
But that still uses more watts in the end for the desktop user.
this has to be the single most ridiculous reason I have ever heard for blocking ads. There are probably a million different, better ways to be efficient rather than depriving a community website of a source of income.
I did have it disabled, but I just realized that NoScript also blocks TL ads. I can't even figure out which scripts to allow; I just know that if I turn off NoScript all together I can see ads.
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