I absolutely hate ads, but team liquid is one of the very few sites that I whitelist. I do that because I love this site and Starcraft though, I don't give a shit about ESPORTS.
I run NoScript and AdBlock, so let me tell you, it's still so hard to stop that elephant from crying. I have the same issue as deconduo, with the superimposed ads. Sorry, little guy! I'm trying!
That's sort of the same for headphones ( a gaming company vs an audio company ) the latter has better soundstage though... instead of the motherboards thing... or like people who buy bulldozer instead of SB even though the former isn't as good, draws more power, and costs more than SB in most cases...
On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote: For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale.
It's not quite so cut and dried, but even assuming that what you're saying is true what's the harm in enabling TL to fleece these idiotic affiliate companies into paying them per worthless impression?
While I don't agree with the idea behind ads, I don't think it's right to spite them by forcing them to pay for nothing.
On November 04 2011 06:06 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:58 Mstring wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:49 Charger wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote: [quote]
I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means.
Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return.
Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway.
Do you see a problem here?
No, do you see a problem here? This whole thread is about supporting TL. Try to stay with me here:
No Ad Block - Ad shows up, ad has potential to be clicked, ad has potential to sell user ad's product, TL gets money regardless, TL can continue to operate and pay for server costs, upgrades, etc
For an individual to support TL, money must somehow go from them to TL. If you aren't buying things that have been advertised then you aren't supporting TL, you are expecting those companies who are advertising to support TL.
Of course it's reasonable that not everyone will buy things from ads; the impression is the purchase of a "potential" sale, however, just read through this thread and count the number of people who say they simply ignore the ads. By ignoring ads there is no "potential" sale.
On November 04 2011 05:49 Klonere wrote:
On November 04 2011 05:43 Mstring wrote: [quote]
I didn't ask how much TL had been paid as a result of that user, but rather, how much money has been transfered from the user to TL by whatever means.
Consider the ideal money flow: User sees ad. User buys item. Business makes a profit and gives a cut to TL for the marketing. A business wouldn't pay for ads knowing they will never give a return.
Let's look at the money flow that people seem to be advocating in this thread: User ignores ad. User doesn't buy item. Business makes no profit but pays TL anyway.
Do you see a problem here?
shhh
you just revealed a glaring flaw in the financial model of enormous amounts of websites
Hehehe oops.
I'm convinced now more than ever that you have no idea how marketing and advertising, especially online, work. No clue - at all. If you actually really fail to see how even an ad showing up is beneficial to the company paying for the ad you need to go to google and read up some and then come back.
As an example, I don't drink coke (or other similar drinks). Explain to me the benefit Coca-cola receives from me viewing an ad.
I am not going to copy/paste articles on what online marketing and advertising is, go to google and read up on a subject you don't know enough about.
So you can't explain the benefit? Got it.
I don't get why you're being so difficult about this. It's not like this is a particularly new concept, whether on internet , tv or even radio. If the concept doesn't work that ads that people hear, but don't necessarily purchase, then why are we still doing it for the last 90 years. (1920 was the first radio ad.)
Actually with print media, it's probably closer to 200 years if not earlier.
The internet has changed things radically. If I want to buy a new motherboard for example, even though I might have seen asus ads 1000 times, I'm still going to research the hell out of any purchase before making it and choose the product based on actual performance, not brand recognition. 200 years ago, you couldn't possibly find objective reviews of every boot maker and then there's the logistical problems.
The coke example was used because it's a product I'll never buy no matter how many times I see it. Same for those online dating things. I know I'm never going to use it, so what reason do I have for allowing money to change hands for my seeing it given I have the choice to stop it? There is no "potential" sale here. By using adblock I am saying "do whatever you want with your marketing, but I'm having no part in it". There are other ways for a website to make money from me. I feel really good about giving money directly to services I enjoy. I don't feel good allowing a business to pay for an ad impression that will guarantee them no return.
Not everyone is as concious of their cashflow as I am, or researches every purchase as much as I do. They can keep participating in the marketing system. I don't like it but that's life for ya.
Gaining expertise and research in everything you buy is not necessarily rational. A lot of people can make more money doing something productive and can absorb the cost of failed purchases if they arise. Either that or some people may dislike this type of research to the point where there is more utility in accepting the risk of a failed purchase.
There's also the possibility that research in products might not necessarily decrease the risk of failed purchases. Like the studies done where it shows that job interviews are spectacularly unreliable when it comes to them being a tool to identify successful hires.
Sure, and those people can go ahead and participate in the marketing system and end up consuming more than necessary. I however enjoy gaining expertise and researching everything I buy.
The issue is with every website I visit that once I disable (noscript in my case) my ad blocker I open myself up to lots of nasty little tracking cookies that I don't want on my machine. I don't believe team liquid has a premium no ads service at this point in time (correct me if I'm wrong) but I'd gladly pay team liquid so that all of the revenue goes to them and I don't have to deal with terribad advertising.
I don't Adblock TL, but I do run flashblock. So half the time I get a (nonflash) ad and half the time I get a sad elephant. I call it Schrodinger's Elephant.
Finally, I'm not blocking ads and I don't have to be told that I'm hurting esports. I'd been trying to get it to work for a while, to no avail. Thanks decaf! :D
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