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On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o
Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand).
Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution, I fucking cannot stand taking the easy solutions, I seriously cannot..."it works" at the end says everything..in reality it doesnt, it makes you a bad parent, face it.
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On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution, I fucking cannot stand taking the easy solutions, I seriously cannot..."it works" at the end says everything..in reality it doesnt, it makes you a bad parent, face it.
You obviously don't have children.
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On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution...it works at the end says everything.
I don't understand, what is wrong with spanking your kids when they do something wrong (that's serious)? I'm pretty sure when I was 8, the only way I'd listen to my parents is if they pulled out the belt or broke my gameboy. Grounding or talking to a kid seriously doesn't do shit.
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On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. EDIT: I was spanked as a child. I think it's fine. I don't suffer any ill effects. I'm married, have 2 great kids, and an IT job that pays well to go along with a college degree that I earned. I don't fault my parents for it at all. It helped greatly imo.
Would you still intentionally inflict pain on your children if there were other, better ways to get the point across? Or do you do it just because it's easy and it feels like you're being proactive? Would you still beat them even when the overwhelming consensus in the scientific community agree that you're doing more harm than good?
I have to wonder, why was the window open? Did the kid admit to opening and explain why the kid did it? Or did you just beat regardless? I don't know how old your kids are, but I remember as a child I wouldn't have any interest in opening a window unless I had a good reason for doing it. Like if the room was very hot or because I knew it'd tick my father off and he'd give me some attention.
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On November 03 2011 07:29 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution...it works at the end says everything. I don't understand, what is wrong with spanking your kids when they do something wrong (that's serious)? I'm pretty sure when I was 8, the only way I'd listen to my parents is if they pulled out the belt or broke my gameboy. Grounding or talking to a kid seriously doesn't do shit.
Sounds like my childhood lol.
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lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman
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On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation.
Actually, a court in Sweden just sentenced an Italian politician for abusing his child on an open street in Sweden. Apparently, it made sort of a fuss in Italy that we had the stomach to convict him of child abuse when all he did was discipline his child.
From what heard, the child was grabbed by the hair and "thrown"(pushed) into a wall.
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On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o
because some kid in Switzerland wants to be an internet martyr since his view on child rearing is the only way any child should be raised.
people are such pussies these days. You do not get to decide how a parent raises there child. The end result should be that the child becomes a healthy productive member of society.
We used to get corporal punishments in school and it was all just really a load of fun. Its not meant to have any lasting harm. You dont get knocked around just the odd smack or knock here or there some uncomfortable postures.
Just because your society doesnt like beating kids its ok to let kids do whatever the fuck they want. You know that has its own set of problems.
Kids become selfish disobedient, they dont value the sacrifices parents make for them because. You seem to think that spanking kids is some sort of scare tactic that is supposed to show how the adult is the dominator. Thats not what parents who love their kids do it as.
No that sort of behavior is what this guy did, and im sure he did it consistently.
Its a very basic principal that it allows you to instill. You cannot get away with everything you do if its wrong. Ofcourse there is room for erring in any kinda of parenting and no method of parenting is perfect.
But that does not give anyone the right to judge as long as the parenting means the kids grow up fine.
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On November 03 2011 02:40 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 01:45 Tabula`Rasa wrote:On November 03 2011 01:33 Paperplane wrote:On November 03 2011 01:09 Tabula`Rasa wrote:
I haven't had the time to read through everything in this thread, but I'd like to point out that this is standard operating procedure in a lot of Asian families - including many countries that no reasonable person would call "uncivilized". Corporal punishment, where children are concerned, and whether it is right or wrong, is mostly a matter of social and cultural construction. The principles that inform current Western thought have their roots in the Enlightenment, and I think these ideas don't permeate a lot of other cultures and societies.
I'm not saying what he did is right, but I've been belted by my parents. So have most of my friends. None of us resent our parents for it. I don't think it crosses the line into abuse if within, and for good reason. The point I'm trying to make is that corporal punishment, like all other moral/societal norms, are matter of construction - whether it is right or wrong depends on the society you live in. I don't think it should be condemned as objectively wrong. Belting your child is nothing close to say, stoning an adulterous woman (which still happens in Pakistan). Without the context within which this 'punishment' is taking place, I think all of you are just jumping to conclusions. Is such behavior acceptable in America? Probably not. But I don't think this man deserves the kind of condemnation he's receiving in this thread. Not by a long stretch. You have a very good point. Cultures are different and some people are overreacting. No he shouldn't get the death penalty or get bludgeoned to death for this that's ridiculous. It's perfectly normal in some countries, so the parents don't think they're doing anything wrong. They're thinking this is how children are supposed to be raised. Culture can be wrong imo. Just think of the Sharia Law. Just because something is socially accepted or tradition doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I think it's strange so many people in this thread who have been belted or hit with a cane defend this sort of behavior. If you were belted and you're fine that doesn't mean everyone else will be. Belting in general will be traumatizing for a lot of children even if most will get over it. I do get your point though. I think a slap or spank is ok. Other people might think that's too cruel while I think it's ok. Just like I think belting is too cruel and others think it's ok. No offense you're a smart guy but well we disagree on this matter I guess. You are right to say that different children react different to different modes of punishment. I am not an expert on psychology, but anecdotally speaking, I would say that equally, some children also respond poorly to a lack of strong discipline, whether it be corporal punishment or other alternatives. That being said, I think what this father did is objectively wrong on the basis that his actions constituted going above and beyond what can reasonably be considered 'disciplining' a child. Just like in the criminal law of most, if not all countries, you would not be able to rely on a 'self-defence' as a means of getting out of a charge of manslaughter if you shoot a man for punching you in the face. The law should discipline him for this transgression. Should he be allowed to continue as a judge? Probably not. At the same time, should he be jailed? Probably not. Tl; dr: some reactions to this video are overkill. Anecdotally you're wrong. There's mountains of empirical evidence supporting swift, consistent, mild punishment with proper explanations for why the behaviour was bad and rational discussions being the most effective in ALL situations. Modelling anti-aggressive behaviour and teaching your kids things like better communication skills, empathy, how to diffuse your anger through discussion, and improving your general communication skills are faaaaar healthier and faaaaar more effective methods for long term learning. Also makes the kids way more likely to continue the cycle of rational non angry behaviour with their
Pure truth and well phrased.
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On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman
Lol @ the people who are treating this like a regular disciplinary spanking. It's obviously more than that. You don't have to be on one end of the spectrum or the other.
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On November 03 2011 07:31 Quotidian wrote:
Would you still intentionally inflict pain on your children if there were other, better ways to get the point across? Or do you do it just because it's easy and it feels like you're being proactive? Would you still beat them even when the overwhelming consensus in the scientific community agree that you're doing more harm than good?
hahahahahaa what the fuck ? Where is this OVERWHELMING consensus may I ask. Also this empirical evidence is coming from countries where the family support system is so retarded everyone has a personal psychiatrist. Sell meds anyone ?
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On November 03 2011 07:35 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation. Actually, a court in Sweden just sentenced an Italian politician for abusing his child on an open street in Sweden. Apparently, it made sort of a fuss in Italy that we had the stomach to convict him of child abuse when all he did was discipline his child. From what heard, the child was grabbed by the hair and "thrown"(pushed) into a wall.
I know nothing of this but from the 23 I've lived in Italy I can say violence towards children is taken really seriously and not tolerated. It's also known than inmates treat really bad whoever got into prison for harming kids.
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On November 02 2011 10:31 HawaiianPig wrote:
I thought the internet had desensitized me to most things, but this is disgusting.
I'd like to second that. Bloody hell, I thought he'd know the difference between right and wrong by now.
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On November 03 2011 07:12 gentile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:04 shifty wrote:On November 02 2011 12:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 02 2011 12:44 MaGariShun wrote:
You are making a far too big deal out of this. I was kinda disturbed by it too, when I first skimmed over it, but on a second view-through you can clearly see how the situation evolved. He is never aiming to injure or permanently hurt her (only hits her legs because she refuses to turn around). It is clear he stepped over the line and it is not good practice especially on a 16 year old to do this kind of thing, but you can't tell people how to raise their children. Even the mother seems to disagree with how he handles the situation (she takes the belt herself and tries to get the daughter to turn around by talking to her and then spanks her only once).
We don't have any information about how often this argument had already come up and how it was handled. Maybe violence was his last resort after they had tried to resolve the matter "normally". Why did she make the video? She apparently knew this was gonna happen, but was it because he always handles arguments that way and abused her before, or was it because he threatened her with it and she still disobeyed knowing what would happen to then tape it? Did he regret his actions afterwards? Did he maybe even apologize? Was this the only time this happened?
I'm not jumping to any conclusions and neither should you. I certainly wouldn't do such things to my kids if I had any, but saying things like he should be executed/raped/killed/whatever are way overboard. I agree that he should at least be confronted publicly so he probably has to give up his career, but no hard legal action should be taken. I almost never (probably like 2 times in my whole childhood, like when I repeatedly called my mother a bitch or such hard cases) got physically punished by my parents, but I know I had particularly loving and caring parents. I know a lot of people in my age who did not have that fortune and they are not "forever scarred" or something. Most of our parents probably were raised with physical punishment and they turned out mentally healthy and with good relationships to their own parents. As long as things like this remain an exception and are not part of the regular family life, I don't see how it is that big of a deal.
Turn around or I swear to god I'll beat your fucking face
Yeah. Not a big deal at all. It is completely out of context is something you have to realize. Imagine your worst moment in your life being put up for the whole world to see. I'm sure people would not be impressed at all not even to you Jinro. Now I do not agree with the way he went about it, but obviously tempers were flying and the mother thought it was way to much. But when you are punishing a child you don't argue in front of the child of how you are going to punish them. Was the Judge Right? No not at all. But do realize it's not as bad as it seems. It is simply wrong to use punishment to make a point, to teach a lesson however you want to phrase it IN ANY FUCKING CASE..WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? No fucking education, no fucking common sense or what? (dont care if i get banned for this). In fact it is even worse then it seems. For there is a psychological issue.. Imagine you get beaten like this, by some of the actions displayed by this fucking weak exuse for parents this was not the first time, you get beaten by the people who are there to protect you, by your guardians (this is one of the KEY roles of parenting) you must be able to trust them in order to trust other people in future aswell...this is soo wrong and some answers here make me soo angry at you guys..I hope you all fucking learn a lesson from this, make the world a better place please, and DONT EVER punish you children or future children like this,FUCKING solve it with you BRAIN and not cause you are too dumb resolve to shit like this..and I allready was soo angry after watching parts of this video that I would love to kill those parents if I didnt know that that woudnt solve anything in the first place and now I read answers like this..fucking SICK world I live in.
What is wrong with you people? Good one man. If you read through everything I've posted I am in NO WAY ( I'll talk like you in this post and capititalize on points idiots like you need to read, and the reason I say Idiot is because you don't know cultures of the world and you are no better than the 50% of Americans that have zero reasoning what so ever) for what the judge did at ALL.
I am just trying to get across to you that in the deep south it is considered socially okay to beat your child.. In this way... NO, but if understanding isn't through to the child parts of southern american do believe it is okay.
It's a cultural thing as atncloud states.
On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation.
This is a cultural thing, and back 20+ years just about EVERY family was like this atleast in the United States. If you didn't listen to what you parents said you DID get beat. Things have changed COMPLETELY for the better in my opinion, but some people still believe that it is okay to do this and THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER.
Thanks for being so open minded everyone  lol.
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On November 03 2011 07:29 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution...it works at the end says everything. I don't understand, what is wrong with spanking your kids when they do something wrong (that's serious)? I'm pretty sure when I was 8, the only way I'd listen to my parents is if they pulled out the belt or broke my gameboy. Grounding or talking to a kid seriously doesn't do shit.
I guess it's a cultural difference. Spanking children is a big no-no in Norway, at the very least. in fact, it is illigal. We think there are better ways to raise children than violently disciplining our children.
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On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman
I think spanking kids is okay but the goal has to be to teach the kid a lesson. In the video, it looked kind of like the parents were taking it like a game. With the mother and father tag teaming on the girl. That is not okay. I'm not saying the parents were doing it for fun but they were going a bit overboard with it.
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On November 03 2011 07:36 prOxi.swAMi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman Lol @ the people who are treating this like a regular disciplinary spanking. It's obviously more than that. You don't have to be on one end of the spectrum or the other.
I hope you don´t mean me... because I don´t treat this like a regular spanking and I think he should be punished. I just don´t get why some people think that every spanking is something bad and you can always argue with your kid, imo that´s not always possible
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In my opinion the people that think this is too rough had very easy parents. Most dads with their son if they did something wrong they would beat the shit out of them with their fist. She is just getting a brutal spanking with a belt. I do agree though the language should was very excessive and a dicipline should not be out of hate like it seems like he is feeling it should only be done out of love and for some people it takes a physical beating to get through to them.
Not trying to offend anyone here just my personal opinion
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