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On November 03 2011 07:37 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:31 Quotidian wrote:
Would you still intentionally inflict pain on your children if there were other, better ways to get the point across? Or do you do it just because it's easy and it feels like you're being proactive? Would you still beat them even when the overwhelming consensus in the scientific community agree that you're doing more harm than good?
hahahahahaa what the fuck ? Where is this OVERWHELMING consensus may I ask. Also this empirical evidence is coming from countries where the family support system is so retarded everyone has a personal psychiatrist. Sell meds anyone ?
go dig through my post history if you're actually wondering (you're not of course. You have a preformed, uneducated opinion and you're sticking to it.)
edit: I'm feeling generous
from a thread on this on reddit: "An article that sums it all up is a 2002 meta-analysis in Psych Bulletin, one of the premier theoretical review journals in psychology. It takes the results of 88 studies that span over 60 years to show that beating your kids doesn't work."
http://www.repeal43.org/docs/Gershoff meta-analytic review:02.pdf
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On November 03 2011 07:38 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:35 h41fgod wrote:On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation. Actually, a court in Sweden just sentenced an Italian politician for abusing his child on an open street in Sweden. Apparently, it made sort of a fuss in Italy that we had the stomach to convict him of child abuse when all he did was discipline his child. From what heard, the child was grabbed by the hair and "thrown"(pushed) into a wall. I know nothing of this but from the 23 I've lived in Italy I can say violence towards children is taken really seriously and not tolerated. It's also known than inmates treat really bad whoever got into prison for harming kids.
Apparently the discussion on child abuse that the incident sparked in Italy according to the media was a lot overhyped. Yahoo news on the conviction That article gets the jist of what was said in Sweden. It is pretty much all I have to go on. Also, is it illegal to spank your child in Italy?
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On November 03 2011 07:43 Zarak wrote:
In my opinion the people that think this is too rough had very easy parents. Most dads with their son if they did something wrong they would beat the shit out of them with their fist. She is just getting a brutal spanking with a belt. I do agree though the language should was very excessive and a dicipline should not be out of hate like it seems like he is feeling it should only be done out of love and for some people it takes a physical beating to get through to them.
Not trying to offend anyone here just my personal opinion
Most dads? I doubt that.
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amazing. i never thought this could happen
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You guys do realize that spanking etc. is what parents without a clue at parenting (in this case able to be an authority) and communication resort to, right?
Yes, let us support stupidity and poor communication. Since it's impossible to bring up thinking children by reasoning with them from the earliest stage, thus making them see the patterns sooner.
And it doesn't really teach anything either. If a prisoner is beaten as punishment (NOT while subduing a violent prisoner), it's breaking the Human Rights. If a child is beaten as punishment, it's suddenly good 'ol parenting. So it's not relevant to the grown life. Removing freedom to an acceptable degree, removing allowance for a short period etc. is far more likely to grown life. Most of all, talking things really through and explaining teaches a shit load more of what they need.
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All i can say is, this would not fly in Sweden, holy shit.
And that piece of shit mother is trying to make it sound like she's a victim now? how she wants her daughter to be safe?
what a disgusting piece of shit.
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On November 03 2011 07:45 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:38 aTnClouD wrote:On November 03 2011 07:35 h41fgod wrote:On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation. Actually, a court in Sweden just sentenced an Italian politician for abusing his child on an open street in Sweden. Apparently, it made sort of a fuss in Italy that we had the stomach to convict him of child abuse when all he did was discipline his child. From what heard, the child was grabbed by the hair and "thrown"(pushed) into a wall. I know nothing of this but from the 23 I've lived in Italy I can say violence towards children is taken really seriously and not tolerated. It's also known than inmates treat really bad whoever got into prison for harming kids. Apparently the discussion on child abuse that the incident sparked in Italy according to the media was a lot overhyped. Yahoo news on the conviction That article gets the jist of what was said in Sweden. It is pretty much all I have to go on. Also, is it illegal to spank your child in Italy?
Honestly I don't know if spanking is illegal but afaik you are not allowed to hit your children and something like what happened in the video the OP posted would result into jail. Actually I've never met anyone in my life positive about hitting their own children for teaching purposes.
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On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman
The problem is what the video shows was a lot worse than disciplinary spanking (I think 16 is a little too old for that, also). It was up to the level of physical, verbal, and psychological abuse. Fucked up shit, man.
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On November 03 2011 07:43 Zarak wrote:
In my opinion the people that think this is too rough had very easy parents. Most dads with their son if they did something wrong they would beat the shit out of them with their fist. She is just getting a brutal spanking with a belt. I do agree though the language should was very excessive and a dicipline should not be out of hate like it seems like he is feeling it should only be done out of love and for some people it takes a physical beating to get through to them.
Not trying to offend anyone here just my personal opinion
Are you serious? what kind of uncivilized barbarian country are you coming from where it's considered normal for a father to use his fists to beat the shit out of their son?
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The question as to whether it is ever helpful to hit a child is a question which has been thoroughly answered, by very many different people, with the exact same conclusion: There is never a time where hitting a child will do as good or a better job than non-violent methods.
Using pain as a method of scolding or teaching a child is scientifically proven less effective. Its shocking to see some people defend their upbringing when this isn't something remotely controversial. You will never find a scientific paper which concludes it is even equal.
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On November 03 2011 07:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman The problem is what the video shows was a lot worse than disciplinary spanking (I think 16 is a little too old for that, also). It was up to the level of physical, verbal, and psychological abuse. Fucked up shit, man.
That video wasn't just a spanking.... O_O
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This is very disturbing, I couldn't even watch it till the end.
How a father (and a mom) could do this to their child, which is thir own flesh and blood, which they raised 16 years and should care for and love is really beyond my believe. Needless to say, this guy should be locked away,
On November 03 2011 07:43 Zarak wrote:
In my opinion the people that think this is too rough had very easy parents. Most dads with their son if they did something wrong they would beat the shit out of them with their fist.
I respect your personal opinion, but I have to disagree here. Only because it seems somewhat common to you there is no way to justify this. There are much more efficient ways to teach your child if it has done sth wrong, No father or mother should ever harm his child. No excuses.
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I have to quote this because it is so true
On November 03 2011 07:51 Mohdoo wrote:
The question as to whether it is ever helpful to hit a child is a question which has been thoroughly answered, by very many different people, with the exact same conclusion: There is never a time where hitting a child will do as good or a better job than non-violent methods.
Using pain as a method of scolding or teaching a child is scientifically proven less effective. Its shocking to see some people defend their upbringing when this isn't something remotely controversial. You will never find a scientific paper which concludes it is even equal.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TrHIvEMg_m0
" I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child."
"In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing."
What...the...fuck...is wrong with this person.....
He also handles CHILD ABUSE cases?!?!?! This guy really needs to lose his job.
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From the article:
"I lost my temper," Adams told KRIS-TV. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt... it was a long time ago... I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child."
Are you seriously fucking kidding me? There's no real indication that he thinks what he did was wrong (other than the 'I apologized' statement before, which holds little weight IMO) other than having the situation brought up over the internet, and he's still blaming the girl.
Fucking unbelievable.
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On November 03 2011 07:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman The problem is what the video shows was a lot worse than disciplinary spanking (I think 16 is a little too old for that, also). It was up to the level of physical, verbal, and psychological abuse. Fucked up shit, man.
Yea and to think that that guy is sending people to prison and death row.
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On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation.
You're probably right. I'm German and I'd also never beat my kids, or administer any kind of corporal punishment. I wouldn't go so far as to say that everyone who uses CP as a disciplinary measure deserves to go to jail (or worse) though.
HOWEVER:
There is a DISTINCT difference between:
1: CALMLY announcing X number of lashes with the cane/belt/hand/whatever, then administering them and then going back to treating your kid like a human being.
and
2: what we've seen in this video.
This video DOES NOT show Corporal Punishment. It's showing child abuse, and everyone who doesn't see it as that is blind.
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On November 03 2011 07:51 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On November 03 2011 07:32 mderg wrote:
lol at the people who think that spanking your kid is something inhuman The problem is what the video shows was a lot worse than disciplinary spanking (I think 16 is a little too old for that, also). It was up to the level of physical, verbal, and psychological abuse. Fucked up shit, man. That video wasn't just a spanking.... O_O
That's why I said it was a lot worse lol  .
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This has nothing to do with discplinary action.
@ 3:27 "beat you into submission!"
According to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TrHD4nLuvK0 he has confirmed that it is him and his daughter in the video and he claims he lost his temper and that he has apologized.
If you do as in the video just because you lose your temper then your not fit for parenting.
Sorry if im reposting old info i didnt find it but i skipped a few pages as this moved me so deeply i had to post (and i almost never do).
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almost never = first time on tl
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On November 03 2011 07:38 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:35 h41fgod wrote:On November 03 2011 07:16 aTnClouD wrote:On November 03 2011 07:09 Minzy wrote:
sounds like some hardcore conservative+christian shit. maybe hes amish? i got hit when i was a kid, and looking back, it was perfectly fine, do something wrong, get the wooden ladle, got the belt a few times too, no biggie(gutta love an asian + indian household). that being said, after watching abit of the video... mmm, the dad seemed abit too into it, but idk, nothing super shocking. id like to know the demographic of people that are shocked? Well seems cultures differ a lot on this. If you do anything like that in Italy your life is pretty much over, nobody will ever want to relate to you when you get out of prison and inmates would treat you like shit. I think overall the western part of Europe is against violence and corporal punishment in every situation. Actually, a court in Sweden just sentenced an Italian politician for abusing his child on an open street in Sweden. Apparently, it made sort of a fuss in Italy that we had the stomach to convict him of child abuse when all he did was discipline his child. From what heard, the child was grabbed by the hair and "thrown"(pushed) into a wall. I know nothing of this but from the 23 I've lived in Italy I can say violence towards children is taken really seriously and not tolerated. It's also known than inmates treat really bad whoever got into prison for harming kids.
Same in America. Slowly our country has become a lot more sensitive to any sort of child related/domestic crimes, similarly to how we became extremely sensitive to hate crimes around the 1960's. Also, the whole people in prison killing inmates in for rape, child abuse, and any sort of child-related crimes are very true. I took a field trip to a jail a while ago and one of the guards said that the worst part of his job was trying to protect those people.
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