This poll has always been a popularity contest (mostly of the internet fanbase in recent years) and nothing more. People who take this poll seriously have no idea of dance music at all.
Also Armin/Tiesto/whatever fanboys who blame Guetta's music for 'being cheesy' and 'selling out' are hilarious.
These are always garbage. I.e. Paul Oakenfold still in the top 100 & Boys noize being #100. Grats to Nero though, surprised they made the list but they deserve it.
These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
Popularity contest lol. In terms of who is producing a lot of good shit very quickly right now, look at Alesso, Avicii, Otto Knows... David Guetta at number 1 because he enjoyed a lot of radio time with Britney Spears and Little wayne etc. lol
On October 22 2011 01:32 norterrible wrote: These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
Oh well, it was a popularity contest where facebook votes had a part in. Nice to see Deadmau5 in the top 5 and not surprised about AVB making 2. Grats to Skrillex too and a lot of other DJs.
On October 22 2011 01:32 norterrible wrote: These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
People like Armin and Tiesto are allready super millionaires no idea why they keep going when they basically have admitted themselves that they have no musical integrity left.
And it's only really a accute depiction of the internet fanbase. Trance is very minor in the real clubbing world (maybe a few clubs per city that invite majo trance acts a few times a year) yet in this pole like 30 of the top 50 are Trance DJs
David Guetta introduced electromusic to the masses and that is not a bad thing. If you look at most of the music charts, you will see in everyone is at least two david guetta songs.
I think that is one of the main reason why he won and deserve it.
i pretty much dont accept that .. david guetta is no freakin dj hes just a hyped pop producer... overall i dont like the whole listed "dj's" even tho there are some exceptions.. What a shitty list..
Long cartoon on DJ worship, these sorts of things are popularity contests for braindead fans. For me, personally, the music is far more important than the person behind the decks!
Armin said on Dutch television yesterday that while he'd love to win again, he was expecting David Guetta to take it. Me, I'm glad to see Afrojack rising in the ranks and Deadmau5 staying at #4, that's amazing.
How do you rank Djs? Isn't music pretty subjective? Do they go based on record sales? Or the amount of drug induced hipsters you can coral into an enclosed space?
Skrillex in the top 100? IMO he shouldn't even be qualified as a DJ. This is a great video showing just that. One song playing the entire time and doing almost nothing to that one song. I have saw him when he toured with deadmau5 and he was decent but that was before he blew up. Seen him at 2 festivals after he has blown up and he was absolutely terrible. But, that is just my opinion......people like AVB and tiesto deserve #1 and #2
The man who produces #1's tracks is placed @ #75, LOL. That shows exactly how much a popularity contest means. I'm just happy that Max Vangelli is out of it, because he spammed the shit out of me to get a vote :D. 4 out of the 5 I voted for are in (poor Super8 & Tab ) which is, I guess, a reason to stay on this planet for at least another year. LOL, I just realized, that probably the best dj in the world, Eddie Halliwell is out of it for the first time in many years. Which shows up the top 3 priorities for becoming a star dj : 1. Marketing /// 2. Production /// 3, DJ-ing itself. We can't fight the first one, and I'm okay with the second one though
On October 22 2011 02:23 HeaDStrong wrote: uhh how else are you going to rank them if not by popularity?
Perhaps if it were based upon the choices of a select group of critics, then the results would be more interesting and ultimately, more people would be exposed to more interesting music.
This just makes me sad, Armin deserves #1 without any doubts.
Guetta is just commercial. The only good thing i know about him is that he brings different kinds of music together but truth be told, if it is to put Guetta on first i'd rather have Madeon whose music is much more awesome than anything i've heard from Guetta.
But heh, this is the real world, and even 15 years old can vote for some guy they get brainwashed over by hearing the tune tenfolds.
The first place of this list is an insult to all the other real Dj's on it imo.
On October 22 2011 02:23 HeaDStrong wrote: uhh how else are you going to rank them if not by popularity?
Yeah... you make a good point. But it does only prove that it's a popularity contest.
What is popular? It's what people like. And if people like you are you not a good DJ?
You could probably also assemble a team of music critics and judges that would... I don't know... judge the artistic input into their music dj'ing? But that's not really what matters... So yeah it's a popularity context but I don't say as if it's a bad thing.
On October 22 2011 02:23 HeaDStrong wrote: uhh how else are you going to rank them if not by popularity?
Yeah... you make a good point. But it does only prove that it's a popularity contest.
What is popular? It's what people like. And if people like you are you not a good DJ?
You could probably also assemble a team of music critics and judges that would... I don't know... judge the artistic input into their music dj'ing? But that's not really what matters... So yeah it's a popularity context but I don't say as if it's a bad thing.
I guess I don't really have a good rebuttal. If people like you, that means you are a popular DJ. That doesn't necessarily mean you're good. It's sorta like Bieber. He's popular. But is he good? That's debatable. (I'm not saying anything about Bieber's person, or how hard he has worked, or anything of that sort. I only say that Bieber's music is not by any means musically deep, and is as a general rule not enjoyed by anyone who considers themselves a musical connoisseur)
In that sense, then, one can look at the relevance of music as indicated by its long-lasting impact on music. Bands like Metallica and Nirvana weren't at the top of the charts when they were considered relevant, but they are still considered relevant because of their long-term effects on music. In the same vein, perhaps the artists that are popular now may not be the artists that are considered good in the long term.
I don't know what I'm saying. I'm not really arguing with you. I mean you're right. I guess I just wanted to give an opinion.
I disagree with that whole list, what kind of garbage is to put David Guetta at #1... I understand if it was his older shit, but since it's for this year, it's quite ridiculous....
Man it's so embarrasing moment when Guetta enters the stage and people are silent and then some start buhuhuing.
I'm not a David Guetta fanboy but when trance fanboys calls Guettas music cheesy, that's just wtf. Armin and Tiesto nowadays only produce super-cheesy real fucking crap. Their old/classic tunes were epic though. Guettas new productions and collaborations with R&B stars in America are good radio music and some more "heavy" club mixes works very well in the clubs.
And btw Guetta has always had someone else produce his work, even in the early days of his career.
Guetta is just very smart and should get credit for that. He creates trends and introduces catchy sounds that people wants to listen to, and he found a way for commercial House from Europe could merge with the rap/R&B from USA.
And all you people that Dj:ing and playing House in clubs around the world, without David Guetta no one would be able to play House because the ordinary people wouldn't know House.
On October 22 2011 02:20 Arathore wrote: Was surprised to see people like Daft punk not in top 10 O.o And skrillex? ewww imo. Avicii is alright but not #1 imo.
Daft Punk are godlike producers, but their live performances lack to be proper dj's. The last time they performed live was at the Emmy's doing Kanye's Stronger iirc. I want a goddamn tour from them, and now!
Skrillex is horrible on #19.
Great to see Dada Life, Laidback Luke, Wolfgang Gartner.
Disappointed severely at how low Bloody Beetroots & Boys Noize are placed. Also, No 2manydj's/Soulwax? No Justice? Not a single D&B act? No Feed Me?
DJmag has proven again that they are a popularity contest of mainly trance producers, and they continue to overestimate them. Tiësto hasn't brought out anything good after In My Memory imo.
And the honorary high rank of Paul van Dyk is just disgusting.
On October 22 2011 02:23 HeaDStrong wrote: uhh how else are you going to rank them if not by popularity?
Yeah... you make a good point. But it does only prove that it's a popularity contest.
What is popular? It's what people like. And if people like you are you not a good DJ?
You could probably also assemble a team of music critics and judges that would... I don't know... judge the artistic input into their music dj'ing? But that's not really what matters... So yeah it's a popularity context but I don't say as if it's a bad thing.
I guess I don't really have a good rebuttal. If people like you, that means you are a popular DJ. That doesn't necessarily mean you're good. It's sorta like Bieber. He's popular. But is he good? That's debatable. (I'm not saying anything about Bieber's person, or how hard he has worked, or anything of that sort. I only say that Bieber's music is not by any means musically deep, and is as a general rule not enjoyed by anyone who considers themselves a musical connoisseur)
In that sense, then, one can look at the relevance of music as indicated by its long-lasting impact on music. Bands like Metallica and Nirvana weren't at the top of the charts when they were considered relevant, but they are still considered relevant because of their long-term effects on music. In the same vein, perhaps the artists that are popular now may not be the artists that are considered good in the long term.
I don't know what I'm saying. I'm not really arguing with you. I mean you're right. I guess I just wanted to give an opinion.
Bieber has his audience that likes him. Are only males at the age 18+ allowed to say what's good? No different things appeal to different demographics.
So if you have a very well developed taste in music (think hipster without negative implications) then don't be offended that you don't find your favorite artists on a super general top surveying all the field.
And if it would be evaluating the impact of their craft on a big scale on many years to come, like your example, the I guess the best top we could make now are the TOP100 DJ's of 2001.
I see this chart just as an indicator what's actual now and what people like today without any philosophical merit to it.
So we're arguing about something very very subjective and I guess the most objective way we can assert who's good and who's not is by looking how much people and money they move.
Happy to see Above&Beyond and Mat Zo up there in the list surprised why #1 and #2 are the wrong way around surprised with skrillex getting up to #19 with what he makes
On October 22 2011 02:03 EAGER-beaver wrote: How do you rank Djs? Isn't music pretty subjective? Do they go based on record sales? Or the amount of drug induced hipsters you can coral into an enclosed space?
I'd like to see PVD in the top ten. Ferry could be higher even though I haven't heard from him in a while. Big ups to Skrillex. Deadmau5 also makes me happy, he deserves it.
As to Guetta... Not too happy about that. I liked him a lot more when he made "world is mine" and before the super mainstream transition.
On October 22 2011 03:27 bovineblitz wrote: Uh... deadmau5 and skrillex aren't very good as DJs, they're good at producing their stuff... but they suck at live performances.
Nero is 88 but Skrillex is top 20? Lol...
this x10
apparently people who set up these polls / people who vote in them dont actually know what a DJ is and just vote for their favorite producer ;/
On October 22 2011 03:27 bovineblitz wrote: Uh... deadmau5 and skrillex aren't very good as DJs, they're good at producing their stuff... but they suck at live performances.
Nero is 88 but Skrillex is top 20? Lol...
this x10
apparently people who set up these polls / people who vote in them dont actually know what a DJ is and just vote for their favorite producer ;/
Not even that, else Arty Prydz Wallbridge and Garraud would be top10 or smthing...
oh god, i shouldn't watch this but i will, god i hate these Dj's
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OHHHHHHHHH GOD ITS WORSE THEN I THOUGHT.
the 1st page almost made me puke guetta? tiesto? deadmau5? avillici? markus shultz? flux pavillion not even on the top 100? fuck this gay earth. it feels like this was voted by junior high school kids. at least dirty south made it on.
On October 22 2011 01:32 norterrible wrote: These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
People like Armin and Tiesto are allready super millionaires no idea why they keep going when they basically have admitted themselves that they have no musical integrity left.
And it's only really a accute depiction of the internet fanbase. Trance is very minor in the real clubbing world (maybe a few clubs per city that invite majo trance acts a few times a year) yet in this pole like 30 of the top 50 are Trance DJs
well, yea, Armin and Tiesto may be super well off financially from their work, but granted! They've been in the business for liek 10+ years (I remember listening to Tiesto as 1 of the very 1st Dj's I ever heard when discovering trance). Musical integrity? Like they have something to prove? I'm sure they like the status and visual/physical evidence of being voted #1 Dj in the world each year as it kinda justifies their work - but i'm really sure they put in the work because they love that aspect of the job, if u could call it that. It's like the most amazing field in the world - being able to travel all over the world playing music you love to fans who appreciate the hell out of it, how could u get tired of that?
plus, yea, they may be known for trance as their main genre or specialty, but thats not the only one they deploy, or at least, there are many different sounds and styles throughout the trance genre and they well, can pretty much electrify dancefloors w/ the sounds they produce so im not surprised that a lot of them are in the top dj of the world selection - I mean, what type or genre do you think mostly encompasses dj'ing? techno is like watered down trance, house is, well, the same beat for 8+ minutes, dubstep is just O.o so there are only the variations of those genre's, like hardstyle, jungle, drum n bass..
I am happy to hear that other exicting dj's made it on to the list this year, like Avicii. He's really been entertaining to hear from lately - Skrillex's even been putting out some pretty good tracks that i've enjoyed. Good to see some of the top 100 thats made improvements to climb higher on the ladder. But alas, it is a bit sad to see that Armin isnt #1.. and I haven't heard much from David Guetta, at least I dont think I have, but ima sample some of his stuff and I have a feeling im going to be dissapointed.
On October 22 2011 03:42 GypsyBeast wrote: oh god, i shouldn't watch this but i will, god i hate these Dj's
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OHHHHHHHHH GOD ITS WORSE THEN I THOUGHT.
the 1st page almost made me puke guetta? tiesto? deadmau5? avillici? markus shultz? flux pavillion not even on the top 100? fuck this gay earth. it feels like this was voted by junior high school kids. at least dirty south made it on.
plz dont compare schulz to the rest of them, he was a legit guy till 2009.
On October 22 2011 01:32 norterrible wrote: These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
People like Armin and Tiesto are allready super millionaires no idea why they keep going when they basically have admitted themselves that they have no musical integrity left.
And it's only really a accute depiction of the internet fanbase. Trance is very minor in the real clubbing world (maybe a few clubs per city that invite majo trance acts a few times a year) yet in this pole like 30 of the top 50 are Trance DJs
well, yea, Armin and Tiesto may be super well off financially from their work, but granted! They've been in the business for liek 10+ years (I remember listening to Tiesto as 1 of the very 1st Dj's I ever heard when discovering trance). Musical integrity? Like they have something to prove? I'm sure they like the status and visual/physical evidence of being voted #1 Dj in the world each year as it kinda justifies their work - but i'm really sure they put in the work because they love that aspect of the job, if u could call it that. It's like the most amazing field in the world - being able to travel all over the world playing music you love to fans who appreciate the hell out of it, how could u get tired of that?
plus, yea, they may be known for trance as their main genre or specialty, but thats not the only one they deploy, or at least, there are many different sounds and styles throughout the trance genre and they well, can pretty much electrify dancefloors w/ the sounds they produce so im not surprised that a lot of them are in the top dj of the world selection - I mean, what type or genre do you think mostly encompasses dj'ing? techno is like watered down trance, house is, well, the same beat for 8+ minutes, dubstep is just O.o so there are only the variations of those genre's, like hardstyle, jungle, drum n bass..
I am happy to hear that other exicting dj's made it on to the list this year, like Avicii. He's really been entertaining to hear from lately - Skrillex's even been putting out some pretty good tracks that i've enjoyed. Good to see some of the top 100 thats made improvements to climb higher on the ladder. But alas, it is a bit sad to see that Armin isnt #1.. and I haven't heard much from David Guetta, at least I dont think I have, but ima sample some of his stuff and I have a feeling im going to be dissapointed.
gl all <3 EDM
Being voted #1 doesn't prove anything about musical integrity. Or do you think the people at the top of the mainstream charts make the best music?
Also judging by your description of genres you don't know a lot about dance music.
On October 22 2011 03:42 GypsyBeast wrote: oh god, i shouldn't watch this but i will, god i hate these Dj's
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OHHHHHHHHH GOD ITS WORSE THEN I THOUGHT.
the 1st page almost made me puke guetta? tiesto? deadmau5? avillici? markus shultz? flux pavillion not even on the top 100? fuck this gay earth. it feels like this was voted by junior high school kids. at least dirty south made it on.
plz dont compare schulz to the rest of them, he was a legit guy till 2009.
I dont wanna seem overly critical but thats just like listing Beyoncé or any other pop-artist as the "best artist of the year" just cuz they sold the most records. They make and play easy, mindless stuff because it appeals to the most people. I dont deny that some of the DJs might have some skill, but most of them are there cuz of their huge pull in votes. I saw both Asterix and Infected a couple of months ago and it was complete shit.
On October 22 2011 01:32 norterrible wrote: These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
People like Armin and Tiesto are allready super millionaires no idea why they keep going when they basically have admitted themselves that they have no musical integrity left.
And it's only really a accute depiction of the internet fanbase. Trance is very minor in the real clubbing world (maybe a few clubs per city that invite majo trance acts a few times a year) yet in this pole like 30 of the top 50 are Trance DJs
well, yea, Armin and Tiesto may be super well off financially from their work, but granted! They've been in the business for liek 10+ years (I remember listening to Tiesto as 1 of the very 1st Dj's I ever heard when discovering trance). Musical integrity? Like they have something to prove? I'm sure they like the status and visual/physical evidence of being voted #1 Dj in the world each year as it kinda justifies their work - but i'm really sure they put in the work because they love that aspect of the job, if u could call it that. It's like the most amazing field in the world - being able to travel all over the world playing music you love to fans who appreciate the hell out of it, how could u get tired of that?
plus, yea, they may be known for trance as their main genre or specialty, but thats not the only one they deploy, or at least, there are many different sounds and styles throughout the trance genre and they well, can pretty much electrify dancefloors w/ the sounds they produce so im not surprised that a lot of them are in the top dj of the world selection - I mean, what type or genre do you think mostly encompasses dj'ing? techno is like watered down trance, house is, well, the same beat for 8+ minutes, dubstep is just O.o so there are only the variations of those genre's, like hardstyle, jungle, drum n bass..
I am happy to hear that other exicting dj's made it on to the list this year, like Avicii. He's really been entertaining to hear from lately - Skrillex's even been putting out some pretty good tracks that i've enjoyed. Good to see some of the top 100 thats made improvements to climb higher on the ladder. But alas, it is a bit sad to see that Armin isnt #1.. and I haven't heard much from David Guetta, at least I dont think I have, but ima sample some of his stuff and I have a feeling im going to be dissapointed.
gl all <3 EDM
Did you just call drum n bass a variation on dubstep?
On October 22 2011 02:49 InDaHouse wrote:And all you people that Dj:ing and playing House in clubs around the world, without David Guetta no one would be able to play House because the ordinary people wouldn't know House.
What are you on about? I just don't know what to write back to this. Let me put it this way, David Guetta did not introduce me to house music.
On October 22 2011 02:49 InDaHouse wrote:And all you people that Dj:ing and playing House in clubs around the world, without David Guetta no one would be able to play House because the ordinary people wouldn't know House.
What are you on about? I just don't know what to write back to this. Let me put it this way, David Guetta did not introduce me to house music.
Apparently he's saying that a French guy whose career began in the late 80s invented a style of music that originated in Chicago in the early 80s?
On October 22 2011 02:49 InDaHouse wrote:And all you people that Dj:ing and playing House in clubs around the world, without David Guetta no one would be able to play House because the ordinary people wouldn't know House.
What are you on about? I just don't know what to write back to this. Let me put it this way, David Guetta did not introduce me to house music.
Apparently he's saying that a French guy whose career began in the late 80s invented a style of music that originated in Chicago in the early 80s?
He saying that Guetta made house popular in the mainstream, which isn't true either since it was allready incredibly popular in the 90s.
I find it pretty funny that a guy who says he's not a DJ, has never even touched physical DJing equipment, thinks DJing is stupid and outdated, plays only his own tracks live, and doesn't have any conception of playing to the vibe of the crowd is at #4.
Guetta is a talentless hack. This poll is a joke. Especially considering this year they took Facebook "Likes" into account. But it's not suprising I suppose...
And lol @ mau5' interview. I think it's funny he didn't even promote the poll or tell any of his fans to vote for him and still got 4th.
And whoever said Deadmau5 sucks live is a goof who's obviously never been to one of his concerts.
But they really need to take away the "DJ"...Deadmau5 and Skrillex, to name a couple, don't even DJ. They play per-arranged sets with controllers. Same goes for many of the producers on the list.
Real winner this year was Skrillex from nothing to rank 19, pretty beast. Top 4 was predictable, Tiesto rank 3, mau5 rank 4 and then a tossup between Armin van Buuren and Guetta. Not liking the #1 Guetta spot though. And whats with the lack of representation from Drum & Bass? only Nero on the list. Atleast Andy C was on the list last year
The only thing I'm glad about is the Skrillex isn't in the top 10. Beyond atrocious. And Guetta is pretty awful as well. Not exactly the best list lol.
This has completely gone to shit imo. Guetta, Armin, Avicii, etc all sellout borderline pop producers....Swedish House Mafia, Afrojack...goddamn. The only artist in the top 10 that doesn't make me facepalm is Above and Beyond.
This is pretty trash. Placing Armin Van Buuren, who has done SO much for the Trance, Vocal, and Progressive scene, as #2, is a fucking humiliation. That's like saying BoxeR is #2 in the history of eSports. It's just not right.
I could care less what year it was; Armin has KILLED it this year with ASOT 500 and the world-tour. Guetta is nowhere near as good as AvB.
Just my opinion, and my honest feedback. I am a die-hard AvB lover, Armada lover, and vocal / progressive trance addict. I think house music is utter trash. So disappointed to see these silly, silly results.
Every year I'm hoping for van Buuren to go down, at least this year he didn't take first place, but meh.
Honestly after so many years I just got sick of tiesto and van buuren. I'm surprised by Infected Mushroom pushing so high since they only gave us pink nightmares this year.
I fully expected David Guetta to get the top spot, what really surprised me is Bob Sinclair at the 33rd spot since he's been getting the same amount of hype as Guetta, at least in Italy.
Comercial shit all over. To be exptected from DJMag. You want a real top 10? Resident advisor. The best visionary, best sound, best use of technology Richie Hawtin nr 45? LOL what a joke. He should be top5 in any electronic music dj top. Along side Sven Vath, DJ Sneak, Raresh... Those are real DJs who love music above money and fame. The sound at a Hawtin gig is unearthy, he manges to do all those sick drops, godly rhythms and of course his Plastikman side always shows it's face at points in his sets. Sven Vath is a real DJ, best crowd interaction, he is just another raver rolling his face off with the rest of us. DJ Sneak has so many rare and unrealsed tracks (most of them on vinyl), his tracklist is always a beatifull plethora of house sometimes combined with things like the random super obscure Prince track from an early promo album to things like Riders on the storm in between two banging house music that makes you jack your whole body off. Raresh loves house music like fish love water. He eats, drinks and breathes house music. In his early 20's his music culture is so good and so huge it's amazing. He puts so much soul in the music that he transmits it to thousands of people. Those are real DJ's, not some melodic crap that is on the radio and has music videos on MTV and that shit. Those are not even DJ's to me. They are nothing.
On October 22 2011 07:50 xJacky wrote: I really don't understand the hate on "mainstream" music. So because it's popular it's suddenly bad? It's MAINSTREAM because people LIKE it.
It really frustrates me when people use "mainstream" as a insult. Isn't it a good thing that many people like their music?
My boy Kutski didn't make it, but a lot of hard music producers made it. I like what DJ Coone, Headhunterz, D-Block and S-te-fan do but honestly, I don't think they're as good as Kutski behind the decks. Wildstylez, Psyko Punkz, Showtek all in the top100 too without DJ Isaac? I dunno man.
you need to realize that people could vote for their top5 using facebook this year, so it shouldn't be a surprise at all that david guetta got first spot... most of you are taking it way too seriously, just listen what you like and everything's fine, no need to bash and hate everything that is supposed to be "mainstream" all the time ~~
i guess i'm fighting windmills
only thing that bugs is that Chris Liebing didn't make it on the list
On October 22 2011 07:57 nanoscorp wrote: My boy Kutski didn't make it, but a lot of hard music producers made it. I like what DJ Coone, Headhunterz, D-Block and S-te-fan do but honestly, I don't think they're as good as Kutski behind the decks. Wildstylez, Psyko Punkz, Showtek all in the top100 too without DJ Isaac? I dunno man.
Headhunterz released doomed which got their old fans all wet. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, kids see them as an easy way to get into hardstyle.
I dont get it. I never really listened much to David Guetta and I dont know much about this top 100 djs thing or how they score it. So apparently David Guetta is the best DJ in the world?
I tried to find videos of him DJing live. I cant find anything where hes not just sitting there bobbing his head or mouthing the words. He doesnt even do anything. I search for like Cut Chemist live and the first video is already like 50000x times more impressive than anything David Guetta put out.
How do they judge these because it sure as hell isnt judged by battle from what i can see
On October 22 2011 01:32 norterrible wrote: These people at the top are barely even DJs at this point, but more a platform to sell their songs. They hawk their label's products and play really predictable sets to appeal to their mainstream fanbase. Some weeks there just aren't any good trance song released, but that doesn't stop armin from playing the same old tired sets. They aren't trying to make the perfect mix anymore, they just want to make as much money as possible before they get old.
So I don't really agree with the list, but as a popularity contest I think this is probably pretty accurate.
People like Armin and Tiesto are allready super millionaires no idea why they keep going when they basically have admitted themselves that they have no musical integrity left.
And it's only really a accute depiction of the internet fanbase. Trance is very minor in the real clubbing world (maybe a few clubs per city that invite majo trance acts a few times a year) yet in this pole like 30 of the top 50 are Trance DJs
well, yea, Armin and Tiesto may be super well off financially from their work, but granted! They've been in the business for liek 10+ years (I remember listening to Tiesto as 1 of the very 1st Dj's I ever heard when discovering trance). Musical integrity? Like they have something to prove? I'm sure they like the status and visual/physical evidence of being voted #1 Dj in the world each year as it kinda justifies their work - but i'm really sure they put in the work because they love that aspect of the job, if u could call it that. It's like the most amazing field in the world - being able to travel all over the world playing music you love to fans who appreciate the hell out of it, how could u get tired of that?
plus, yea, they may be known for trance as their main genre or specialty, but thats not the only one they deploy, or at least, there are many different sounds and styles throughout the trance genre and they well, can pretty much electrify dancefloors w/ the sounds they produce so im not surprised that a lot of them are in the top dj of the world selection - I mean, what type or genre do you think mostly encompasses dj'ing? techno is like watered down trance, house is, well, the same beat for 8+ minutes, dubstep is just O.o so there are only the variations of those genre's, like hardstyle, jungle, drum n bass..
I am happy to hear that other exicting dj's made it on to the list this year, like Avicii. He's really been entertaining to hear from lately - Skrillex's even been putting out some pretty good tracks that i've enjoyed. Good to see some of the top 100 thats made improvements to climb higher on the ladder. But alas, it is a bit sad to see that Armin isnt #1.. and I haven't heard much from David Guetta, at least I dont think I have, but ima sample some of his stuff and I have a feeling im going to be dissapointed.
gl all <3 EDM
Being voted #1 doesn't prove anything about musical integrity. Or do you think the people at the top of the mainstream charts make the best music?
Also judging by your description of genres you don't know a lot about dance music.
wtf guy? I dunno wheretf integrity even fits in to the discussion anyway except for remaining true to the genre they dedicate themselves too rather than branching off and colaborating with other pop stars (Tiesto did this a few times, Nelly Furtado, 3-6 mafia etc) - Not slighting him for it, he's a superstar producer/dj and can make his own decisions, he's definately sound choices up to now - being as though he's been a huge name in the industry/scene for years.. When did I ever say people in the mainstream make the best music? Ratings wise, the community might consider it good, because if its at the top, then a lot of people listen to it, and like it.. thats how those things work.. If describing Armin, then yea, I'd say he deserves to be at the top of the chart because I like his music-style.. and I know hundreds of thousands do too, which was why he's in the top 3.. If people voted based on the musical style of the artist rather than who they like more personally, the chart would reflect their talent and fan-base, rather than being more of a popularity contest, which I guess is how Guetta won.. since he's more "mainstream"..
my description of genres? well I have been listening to 'Trance' for about 10 years now. I've heard many kinds and seen it evolve, progress and adapt to todays enviroment. Tiesto was 1 of the 1st dj's and I still have a lot of the old school "trancy" trance on my comp. Playing a track from back then and something more current is quite different. I've also sampled some of the other stuff thats out there.. pretty much every genre that I mentioned.. and thats my take on it.. people will always debate on whether or not a certain artist is good, or a track is good or not, thats the beauty of opionions, everyone can have their own.. Not everyone will agree. Like I said, i've listened to a lot of other genres of "dance" music, techno/trance/house is really the only ones relateable to a "dance" category.. comparing dubstep/hardstyle/jungle to dance is like comparing classic rock to slipknot/death metal/screaming nonsense.. and thats my view Every thing else sounds like shit compared to trance
On October 22 2011 08:17 Supamang wrote: I dont get it. I never really listened much to David Guetta and I dont know much about this top 100 djs thing or how they score it. So apparently David Guetta is the best DJ in the world?
most popular*
People were able to vote their top5 DJs over the last couple of months. Not sure whether this was the only source they took for their rankings, but I guess it makes it obvious why David Guetta got first.
On October 22 2011 08:17 Supamang wrote: I dont get it. I never really listened much to David Guetta and I dont know much about this top 100 djs thing or how they score it. So apparently David Guetta is the best DJ in the world?
most popular*
People were able to vote their top5 DJs over the last couple of months. Not sure whether this was the only source they took for their rankings, but I guess it makes it obvious why David Guetta got first.
ohhhh ok nevermind then. that makes sense. nothing to complain about here then, its pretty much expected
David Guetta makes house now? Guess I've been out of the loop for like ... a year or something? The only thing I've ever seen him do was making generic feel good dance music to get drunk to so you won't be annoyed by the music that's playing. + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, like my circular analysis?
I mean, he actually made a song with the dude that's Mr. Lonely.. Although Smack That with Eminem was amusing :D
Whoever is fine with the top 10 or top 20 have little to no idea about EDM.
And yes, being mainstream/pop is BAD because then it becomes pop not EDM and those "DJs" don't need to have any skills to make somehow the masses to vote on them.
Now it is all about whose tracks are more often played in the radio. It is not about the DJ skills, not even about production skills, it is just about "HOW COMMERCIAL YOU ARE". The more commercial you are the less skills you need to be at the top apparently.
On October 22 2011 02:49 InDaHouse wrote: Man it's so embarrasing moment when Guetta enters the stage and people are silent and then some start buhuhuing.
I'm not a David Guetta fanboy but when trance fanboys calls Guettas music cheesy, that's just wtf. Armin and Tiesto nowadays only produce super-cheesy real fucking crap. Their old/classic tunes were epic though. Guettas new productions and collaborations with R&B stars in America are good radio music and some more "heavy" club mixes works very well in the clubs.
And btw Guetta has always had someone else produce his work, even in the early days of his career.
Guetta is just very smart and should get credit for that. He creates trends and introduces catchy sounds that people wants to listen to, and he found a way for commercial House from Europe could merge with the rap/R&B from USA.
And all you people that Dj:ing and playing House in clubs around the world, without David Guetta no one would be able to play House because the ordinary people wouldn't know House.
People who have been listening to trance for years mostly don't listen to Armin anymore (and stopped listening to Tiesto years ago) exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Actually, it is hard to find good trance these days. So much pop and cheese or simply crap.
I'm listening mainly to some less to unknown DJs because they still play some real trance.
On October 22 2011 07:51 acidfreak wrote: Comercial shit all over. To be exptected from DJMag. You want a real top 10? Resident advisor. The best visionary, best sound, best use of technology Richie Hawtin nr 45? LOL what a joke. He should be top5 in any electronic music dj top. Along side Sven Vath, DJ Sneak, Raresh... Those are real DJs who love music above money and fame. The sound at a Hawtin gig is unearthy, he manges to do all those sick drops, godly rhythms and of course his Plastikman side always shows it's face at points in his sets. Sven Vath is a real DJ, best crowd interaction, he is just another raver rolling his face off with the rest of us. DJ Sneak has so many rare and unrealsed tracks (most of them on vinyl), his tracklist is always a beatifull plethora of house sometimes combined with things like the random super obscure Prince track from an early promo album to things like Riders on the storm in between two banging house music that makes you jack your whole body off. Raresh loves house music like fish love water. He eats, drinks and breathes house music. In his early 20's his music culture is so good and so huge it's amazing. He puts so much soul in the music that he transmits it to thousands of people. Those are real DJ's, not some melodic crap that is on the radio and has music videos on MTV and that shit. Those are not even DJ's to me. They are nothing.
Came into this thread expecting self righteous crap like this. Wasn't disappointed.
I never knew EDM fans were just as snobbish and ridiculous as jazz fans. Who cares if they're not redefining a genre every week or coming out with the latest "perfect" set. Sure, it sucks that a guy who basically produces tracks which ONLY feature big names of mainstream pop won the thing, but most of you are shitting on the entire list because one of your underground DJs didn't make the top100. Stop trying to make yourselves look like hipsters. -_-
The problem I have with this list is that people see it as "best" rather than "most popular", and there are huge financial rewards involved with getting a high rank.
If you have 3 million fans on facebook and ask them to vote for you, that doesnt make you a better DJ than the person with 20,000 fans - but it is reflected strongly in the list.
It hurts me deeply to see no John 00 Fleming or Digital Blonde in the list, compared to some of the names I see in the top 10.
As a Dutch guy i'm glad that there is still a lot of countrymen in the top 20. I am suprised however that skrillex is so low.... he did so much for dubstep...
David Guetta is a joke in the context of good DJs. He makes catches tracks that manage to get a lot of time on the radio. But that doesn't make him a good DJ.
top 100 isn't and hasn't been indicative of the current EDM scene for years now, it's treated as a popularity contest, it's used as a ladder of which money hungry promoters can pick from - it has nothing to do with actual talent. Not to mention it's widely known that votes are flooded by bots, it's just a useless list.
David Guetta is a joke in the context of good DJs. He makes catches tracks that manage to get a lot of time on the radio. But that doesn't make him a good DJ.
first cool guy Carl Cox comes on #31, richie hawtin only on 45? what a joke competition. if "lady gaga" would've stated she was DJing now, she surely had won this everyone's a "dj" today it seems. commerce ruling, dont let yourself be fooled. thats casual music voted by casual listeners
This list is just a popularity contest. Like none of the artists I listen to made the list. Where's Diplo??? Seriously, that man should be posted up on the top.
yea i had major issues with guetta being #1, is he really a dj or just makes tracks. theres a difference between a dj that spins and "dj" that plays his produced track on a record... never seen guetta spin personally, maybe he does.
Ferry Corsten being at #18 was the most alarming for me... Or not seeing names like BT, MaRLo, or even Marco V, wtf is going on lol. Maybe Sander van Doorn being at upper 10's would've been nice too.
Saw that yesterday and almost spilled my drink at the sight of Guetta on the top spot. I mean, he is there purely because he produced pop/dance tracks for big pop stars (I won't derail the thread by discussing the merits of those songs), and if he is so good at DJ'ing, where the heck was he in the past many, many years?
Armin is a good DJ, Tiesto is a good DJ, Deadmau5 is an awesome DJ, and Guetta is good at copying and pasting the same tune again and again.
But I haven't been listening to trance and house properly for the past year, who the heck is Avicii? And Skrillex is dubstep, right? Awesome :D
On October 22 2011 12:37 Mobius_1 wrote: Saw that yesterday and almost spilled my drink at the sight of Guetta on the top spot. I mean, he is there purely because he produced pop/dance tracks for big pop stars (I won't derail the thread by discussing the merits of those songs), and if he is so good at DJ'ing, where the heck was he in the past many, many years?
Armin is a good DJ, Tiesto is a good DJ, Deadmau5 is an awesome DJ, and Guetta is good at copying and pasting the same tune again and again.
But I haven't been listening to trance and house properly for the past year, who the heck is Avicii? And Skrillex is dubstep, right? Awesome :D
Skrillex and Deadmau5 both are pure producer. They don't do shit when playing live. Just hit the play button on the macbook and dance along. They aren't DJ's.
Avicii is a rising star, but is pretty darn poppy aswell. He is the guy behind Bromance (Tim Berg).
If you want to hear how good of a DJ someone really is, just get their essential mix on BBC1. 2 Hours of DJ'ing done live, and Deadmau5 is complete poop at it. He just plays his tracks and lets them fade into eachother, that's all. Even when you listen to Guetta or Swedish House Mafia it's done better.
You don't see a lot of them behind the wheels of steel anymore.
On October 22 2011 10:15 cari-kira wrote: first cool guy Carl Cox comes on #31, richie hawtin only on 45? what a joke competition. if "lady gaga" would've stated she was DJing now, she surely had won this everyone's a "dj" today it seems. commerce ruling, dont let yourself be fooled. thats casual music voted by casual listeners
SHhhhhhhh, quiet !!! I heard that Paris Hilton started dj-ing :/
I can live with David Guetta being on top, though I do think that AvB has done more for electronic music throughout the year, even if he hasn't produced the most awesome new stuff. I suppose 2nd place will do for AvB. Grats to David Guetta and AvB.
On October 23 2011 00:52 Chimpalimp wrote: I can live with David Guetta being on top, though I do think that AvB has done more for electronic music throughout the year, even if he hasn't produced the most awesome new stuff. I suppose 2nd place will do for AvB. Grats to David Guetta and AvB.
I thought too that djmag was trolling us.. gueta #1? thats gonna be a joke, and yeah not a good one...... kinda sad that Gareth Emery is 13.. Ferry Corsten 18.. Cosmic Gate 43.. Orjan Nilsen 49... Andy Moor 50 Im not listening to crap that is being played on radio.. 4 times in a row #1.. Armin #1 everywhere and everytime!
On October 23 2011 01:19 veQ wrote: I thought too that djmag was trolling us.. gueta #1? thats gonna be a joke, and yeah not a good one...... kinda sad that Gareth Emery is 13.. Ferry Corsten 18.. Cosmic Gate 43.. Orjan Nilsen 49... Andy Moor 50 Im not listening to crap that is being played on radio.. 4 times in a row #1.. Armin #1 everywhere and everytime!
This ain't DJ MAG Top 100 trance dj-s you know. Even though if it was for me all the guys you mentioned would be top 10 xD
People are being a bit elitist moaning about Guetta being #1. He is #1 because he is THAT popular. You might not like it (and some of his newer tracks are pretty shit indeed), but he single-handedly changed house. For good or for bad, that is not for us to decide. If it was my choice, I'd have Markus Schulz as #1. :/
Or, as Gareth Emery puts it,
What's the future of DJing? The end of this obsolete fascination with genres. Just let the good music speak.
Let's admit it - it's DJMag, and any connection to high quality is theoretical at best. Another popularity contest, and people are raging that the mainstream names are at the top, headed by the most mainstream of them all. Hell, this isn't even a contest of DJs. A huge chunk don't DJ, they play their own music live - and while admirable, it's still hilarious that they're even considered as such.
On October 23 2011 03:56 greggy wrote: People are being a bit elitist moaning about Guetta being #1. He is #1 because he is THAT popular. You might not like it (and some of his newer tracks are pretty shit indeed), but he single-handedly changed house. For good or for bad, that is not for us to decide. If it was my choice, I'd have Markus Schulz as #1. :/
On October 23 2011 01:18 ProBot wrote: daft punk and bob sinclar should be A LOT HIGHER and glitch mob who aren't even on the list should be top 10
why should daft punk be higher? they haven't really been doing and DJing for years now, the tron soundtrack is kinda cool, but I don't think they should be on the list at all tbh
Hey so I'm really new to this scene can somebody recommend me a DJ with a similar style to Nero? I was completely blown away by them and the random DJ's I've picked off this list haven't all been to my liking.... at least nothing as awesome sounding as Nero.
EDIT: Don't give a rats ass about whether or not they're called a DJ or a Producer or a song creator just want to listen to cool music.
No surprises this year, I don't think there is anyone who still considers these awards as prestigious. People who play local pub music on a large stage, ''DJs'' with stupid mouse masks that have never seen a turntable and other clowns that are playing pre-recorded sets are comprising the majority of this poll. Wake me up when Boy George wins the top 100.
On October 23 2011 19:09 Chrispy wrote: Hey so I'm really new to this scene can somebody recommend me a DJ with a similar style to Nero? I was completely blown away by them and the random DJ's I've picked off this list haven't all been to my liking.... at least nothing as awesome sounding as Nero.
Please don't confuse DJs and producers...deadmau5, Skrillex, Nero et al have live sets where they press Play in iTunes and pretend to be doing shit, DJs are people who actually, y'know, DJ.
Just search for generic mainstream dubstep, it all sounds pretty much the same, Skrillex, Nero etc.
On October 22 2011 07:29 mcJ wrote: Real winner this year was Skrillex from nothing to rank 19, pretty beast. Top 4 was predictable, Tiesto rank 3, mau5 rank 4 and then a tossup between Armin van Buuren and Guetta. Not liking the #1 Guetta spot though. And whats with the lack of representation from Drum & Bass? only Nero on the list. Atleast Andy C was on the list last year
Yeah I was thinking if you're going on DJing talent, where the hell is Andy C? No Hype, no Friction? Noisia? On production skills, no Chase & Status or Netsky?
On October 23 2011 19:09 Chrispy wrote: Hey so I'm really new to this scene can somebody recommend me a DJ with a similar style to Nero? I was completely blown away by them and the random DJ's I've picked off this list haven't all been to my liking.... at least nothing as awesome sounding as Nero.
Please don't confuse DJs and producers...deadmau5, Skrillex, Nero et al have live sets where they press Play in iTunes and pretend to be doing shit, DJs are people who actually, y'know, DJ.
Just search for generic mainstream dubstep, it all sounds pretty much the same, Skrillex, Nero etc.
Uh Nero actually do DJ.
On October 23 2011 19:09 Chrispy wrote: Hey so I'm really new to this scene can somebody recommend me a DJ with a similar style to Nero? I was completely blown away by them and the random DJ's I've picked off this list haven't all been to my liking.... at least nothing as awesome sounding as Nero.
EDIT: Don't give a rats ass about whether or not they're called a DJ or a Producer or a song creator just want to listen to cool music.
For something fairly close in style: Flux Pavilion, Rusko, Zeds Dead, Doctor P
For stuff that's general bass music: Noisia, Feed Me, Brown & Gammon, Knife Party, Excision, Chase & Status, Bare, Drumsound & Bassline Smith, Kill The Noise, Phaeleh
For some really crazy mashup stuff, check out Ludachrist
I'm only truly familiar with Richie Hawtin and Infected Mushroom on that list. The rest I've only heard of their names. Well except for Tiesto, I got dragged to a gig of his once and well, it was shit. Seeing Skrillex soon for the lols but I have a feeling I'll leave early.
Sorry to all the Guetta fans, but he should NOT be #1. I also love how Deadmau5 is ranked so highly even though he doesn't DJ at all. Top 100 DJ chart is pretty silly.
EDIT: Oh and grats Skrillex for making top 20 so fast. o.o
Not surprised at all by the changes on the top 10. Armin, Ferry and Markus Schulz have moved from their respective trance subgenres to a more commercial approach of their sound , in pursuit of what Guetta, Avicii or SHM are known for. Pop is not their ground, and, clearly Guetta or SHM can pull more profit from this whole 'trouse pop' genre.
Anyways what is this thing about everyone being friends and wanting to sound like Axwell,aoki, mau5, skrillex? Every single track on each different genre sounds the same.Either electro-wobbly fidgety or low bpm-repetitive happy supersaws and neverending rising pitches.
Im happy for this, i prefer all trance to go a little back to the under scene, perhaps how it was around 2007 or 2005. Even promising names such as Arty or MatZo have fallen under this stupid new 'sellout pop trance' concept.
Techno seems to always remain underground. I wish i liked techno a bit more
Disregard that, Tiesto sounds like shit nowadays(5 years ago?).
On October 25 2011 05:49 sureshot_ wrote: Sorry to all the Guetta fans, but he should NOT be #1. I also love how Deadmau5 is ranked so highly even though he doesn't DJ at all. Top 100 DJ chart is pretty silly.
EDIT: Oh and grats Skrillex for making top 20 so fast. o.o
Deadmau5 actually said something to the affect that he wasn't actually a DJ on his twitter account when the list was released.
On October 25 2011 05:59 stiLL.SERuM wrote: Not surprised at all by the changes on the top 10. Armin, Ferry and Markus Schulz have moved from their respective trance subgenres to a more commercial approach of their sound , in pursuit of what Guetta, Avicii or SHM are known for. Pop is not their ground, and, clearly Guetta or SHM can pull more profit from this whole 'trouse pop' genre.
Anyways what is this thing about everyone being friends and wanting to sound like Axwell,aoki, mau5, skrillex? Every single track on each different genre sounds the same.Either electro-wobbly fidgety or low bpm-repetitive happy supersaws and neverending rising pitches.
Im happy for this, i prefer all trance to go a little back to the under scene, perhaps how it was around 2007 or 2005. Even promising names such as Arty or MatZo have fallen under this stupid new 'sellout pop trance' concept.
Techno seems to always remain underground. I wish i liked techno a bit more
Disregard that, Tiesto sounds like shit nowadays(5 years ago?).
Unfortunately, this is exactly how I feel. I've been following Markus Schulz all the way since 2004 and I'm so disappointed in him these days. I still listen to his current sets a lot but damn, where is Markus from 2004-2007 when he was playing nice dark and deep trance.
And Armin has fallen so low playing all that commercial trance, which is simply pop (and hence called pop-trance).
Same with Ferry...
I guess one has to switch to listen to guys who are really unknown to get "true" progressive or uplifting trance... Because all the famous guys play mostly generic crap...
I don't really see there being a problem with avicii being high on that list, depending on their requirements.
He certainly isn't as technical or adept in djing as many other dj's, but his show overall is pleasing in different ways. He obviously has great production skills and his melodic style hits home with most people, and that's what happens in his sets as well.
He primarily plays his own music and a lot of the times it's custom made mashups and unreleased material that you'll only find at his sets, and all of it has that typical avicii vibe.
So if being a good dj means providing a good experience for the audience by playing the right tunes, creating an atmosphere with good peaks and lows, then avicii is definitely up there. If on the other hand it means you know how to do a lot of shit with turntables then probably no.
On October 25 2011 06:25 hifriend wrote: I don't really see there being a problem with avicii being high on that list, depending on their requirements.
He certainly isn't as technical or adept in djing as many other dj's, but his show overall is pleasing in different ways. He obviously has great production skills and his melodic style hits home with most people, and that's what happens in his sets as well.
He primarily plays his own music and a lot of the times it's custom made mashups and unreleased material that you'll only find at his sets, and all of it has that typical avicii vibe.
So if being a good dj means providing a good experience for the audience by playing the right tunes, creating an atmosphere with good peaks and lows, then avicii is definitely up there. If on the other hand it means you know how to do a lot of shit with turntables then probably no.
This top is stupid, considering you could only vote if you have a facebook account, its more a popularity contest than actually skill and talent.I was this summer at an event with Paul van Dyk, Ferry Corsten, Above and Beyond, Gabriel and Dresden and all of them just kept us dancing for 12 hours, especially Ferry who was a beast staying for one more hour even after the show oficially ended and kept us jumping and dancing. I see a lot of people in this top i havent even heard of, altough i listen to trance, house and electro.Cant wait to see Ricky Martin or Rihana next year in this top.
Nice to see the Beetroots make top 100, was the sickest thing i ever whitnessed live. Right up there with Aoki. Those Guys deliver live so good, its unreal, the crowd doesnt go wild, its like everyone turns primeeval. Never saw a crowd in a club go so completly mental ever before or after that.