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On October 18 2011 12:59 DarkwindHK wrote:
these kind of "bad news in mainland" is so common in HK that its not even "new".
I do think it IS a China mainland problem as the Chinese culture is not like that in Taiwan, HK and overseas Chinese community. The 06 incident, political system, and even the cultural revolution all has influence in the current culture in mainland.
I really do not know how this can be fixed. Is there any successful examples from history we can learn from?
you could start by getting rid of cars because if there were no cars there would be no way to run over people with a car
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This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this.
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On October 18 2011 13:01 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 12:59 DarkwindHK wrote:
these kind of "bad news in mainland" is so common in HK that its not even "new".
I do think it IS a China mainland problem as the Chinese culture is not like that in Taiwan, HK and overseas Chinese community. The 06 incident, political system, and even the cultural revolution all has influence in the current culture in mainland.
I really do not know how this can be fixed. Is there any successful examples from history we can learn from? you could start by getting rid of cars because if there were no cars there would be no way to run over people with a car
Cars are too good for those people
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On October 18 2011 12:59 DarkwindHK wrote:
these kind of "bad news in mainland" is so common in HK that its not even "new".
I do think it IS a China mainland problem as the Chinese culture is not like that in Taiwan, HK and overseas Chinese community. The 06 incident, political system, and even the cultural revolution all has influence in the current culture in mainland.
I really do not know how this can be fixed. Is there any successful examples from history we can learn from?
Change starts from early education (elementary school system) and judicial precedence. If China was to enact a Good Samaritan law or a non-liability statute or overhaul its elementary school moral instruction we might see progress in this area. But these attitudes towards altruism are endemic of cultural customs, which will be very difficult to change.
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On October 18 2011 13:02 Reason.SC2 wrote:
This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this.
We're not saying don't call an ambulance. We're saying you can't go and directly interact with the injured person in any way because that opens up legal liabilities.
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On October 18 2011 13:02 Reason.SC2 wrote:
This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this. 100% agreed.
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On October 18 2011 13:02 Reason.SC2 wrote:
This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this.
It is a problem with society and people. China's culture and judicial precedents have affected the mindsets of the people who made the decision not to get involved with the situation. Furthermore, there is evidence that this reaction of non-involvement is endemic of humanity as a whole, which is ironic considering that you think these people shouldn't be called human beings.
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On October 18 2011 12:55 Blasterion wrote:
So to divert the topic a slight bit, what are your views on say like, ok traffic was stop ambulance was called by passerbys, should non trained persons be allowed to "help" the victim without legal liability for fucking up
Non-trained? No.
I don't know how it is in China, however. Over here most people do have driving licenses, and to gain a driving license you're required to complete a basic first First Aid course. You can't suddenly perform double bypass heart surgery, but it's good enough to help keep the victim alive till the ambulance arrives to take them off your hands.
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On October 18 2011 13:02 Reason.SC2 wrote:
This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this.
Chill man, Yeah it sucks, but when you call that ambulance and the parents decide to AWOL the bill, Which of course does not occur here fortunately for the garbage lady, The girl's medical treatments won't be free of course, Doctors gotta eat too right? so does you and your family, Of course the flaw is in the system and it sucks, but to proclaim that it is inhumane for the passerby to consider what they might get themselves into before helping, don't you think you are getting ahead of yourself?
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On October 18 2011 13:05 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 12:55 Blasterion wrote:
So to divert the topic a slight bit, what are your views on say like, ok traffic was stop ambulance was called by passerbys, should non trained persons be allowed to "help" the victim without legal liability for fucking up Non-trained? No. I don't know how it is in China, however. Over here most people do have driving licenses, and to gain a driving license you're required to complete a basic first First Aid course. You can't suddenly perform double bypass heart surgery, but it's good enough to help keep the victim alive till the ambulance arrives to take them off your hands.
Might be a good addition, and sure will help.
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On October 18 2011 12:55 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
I've read this entire thread and I just want to say that Blasterion makes me sick. He's inhumane, his morals are the same as the Chinese in the video not paying any attention to the poor girl and just walking away after a mere glance. How fucking shameful, you need to be embarrassed and stop posting in this fucking thread. If I were your son and found out you just go your way from a 2 year old infant dieing on the ground I'd spit on your fucking face.
Don't you fucking dare call yourself a man, you are just a piece of shit and deserve to have your wallet lodged in your throat and choke to death while people step on you.
Now that's just uncalled for. What Blasterion is trying to highlight is that in China there are social and cultural considerations that prevent people from performing active help (such as first aid on the injured child) because of legal precedents. You need to be mindful of these. You can't just apply Western culture and ideology into this and expect it to apply.
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worst thing if ever watched
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the judges in china makes the situation worst
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/08/chinas-good-samaritans-count-cost
i quote from the third to the last paragraph
In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (£4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall.
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I don't think I'll ever stop laughing at that case because of the hilarity, but man yeah it sucks
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First of all, I want to thank Blasterion. He has said really intelligent and interesting things.
When I watched the video, I was first devastated. I was prematurely blaming the people not doing anything, but I was wrong.
I read all of this thread and I want to say that Blasterion has replied and said perfectly to everyone. Compared to the people that take the "moral highground" and are bashing him, he definitely has won all the arguments and has looked ten times more intelligent than the other folks.
And again to everyone that are bashing the chinese people, there is only thing I have to say. You will never know what it is to be in their places. Just like in the South Park episode when Stan says: "I get it now... I don't get it !" because he understands that he will never get it... he is just not in their place.
The other video that was posted was more horrifying to me because in China, they have the fucked up laws as an excuse. In the other video, that is not the case, the people have absolutely no excuse... and even taking photos of semi-dead man lying on the ground... I mean come on.
These kinds of things make me think about how lucky I am to have what I have right now. Billions of people are probably dreaming to be in my place and live the life I am living...
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On October 18 2011 13:05 lariat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 13:02 Reason.SC2 wrote:
This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this. It is a problem with society and people. China's culture and judicial precedents have affected the mindsets of the people who made the decision not to get involved with the situation. Furthermore, there is evidence that this reaction of non-involvement is endemic of humanity as a whole, which is ironic considering that you think these people shouldn't be called human beings.
So you're trying to say that its human to act indifferently to the sight of a dying toddler on the street?
Right. I hope there are not many people like you in this world. You can't bring cultural influences as a crutch for this bullshit either. What's next, Hitler and Nazi's killing jews was a result of a "cultural and judicial precedent"? What the fuck are you trying to argue?
Its blatantly obvious that this sort of unwillingness to help is monstrous. No it is not human. And fuck no, continuing to bike to the convenience store to pick up that gum when you see a dying kid on the road is not human either. If you think it is then I feel sorry for you and your family.
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On October 18 2011 12:49 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 12:47 SilverLeagueElite wrote:On October 18 2011 12:14 Nikon wrote:On October 18 2011 12:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
I remember China having a 1 child per couple law. If a current child dies, would couples be eligible to have another child? What the fuck? Is that really the way you think about kids? Please don't presume things. I didn't say anything about kids. I just wanted to know what the 1 child policy situation is like. It's ok man he was just hot headed for a second, You can have 1 untaxed functional child below the age of 18 is the rule I believe correct me if I am incorrect Definition of Functional is basically not severely disabled. Can operate at large as a regular human being, or rather the definition of disfuctional would be say.....if you have a (this might bring some flame but is true) severly Autistic child, Several Mental disorder, You can probably get away with physical disorders like, unable to walk and stuff but that's kind of borderline. Depends on who stamps your file Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 12:37 Nikon wrote:On October 18 2011 12:20 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 12:18 lariat wrote:On October 18 2011 12:14 Nikon wrote:On October 18 2011 12:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
I remember China having a 1 child per couple law. If a current child dies, would couples be eligible to have another child? What the fuck? Is that really the way you think about kids? Yes, in China the one child policy does really lead to situations in which these quandaries inconceivable to our customs arise. I believe that couples can file for the right to have another child if their first dies before adulthood. That said, it isn't as if the government restricts child-bearing beyond one per family. The policy isn't enforced in the rural areas, and generally the only punishment for breaking the one child policy is loss of tax benefits, government promotions, and loss of free education. Once again with the first child dead you are allowed to have another child without paying the tax. Same with if your child is extremely disabled, and other near inoperable state On October 18 2011 12:23 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 12:14 Nikon wrote:On October 18 2011 12:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
I remember China having a 1 child per couple law. If a current child dies, would couples be eligible to have another child? What the fuck? Is that really the way you think about kids? hrm? when i was 15 or whatever we done it in school and learnt how, if they had a girl instead of a boy, chinese would have illegal abortions or give the child away or just kill it so they can try again for a boy. otherwise theyd lose all state support (eg schooling) if they had more than 1 Thank you for clarifying, that's some valuable insight. I just don't know what to say really, the video in op was pretty terrifying to me, and then SLE basically posted "Well they can just have another kid" (well not in those words). Or at least I perceived it that way, I can safely say that I'm a bit affected right now.
I think the one child policy varies depending on if the Chinese are minority or not and where they live. Think the main rule is if you have a boy you can't have a second, while if the first is a girl you can try for a second. Knew one girl who said her parents had a son after her and then another kid. Because they had 3 the mother was arrested and taken away for a while which sounds like she was sterilized. Afterwards the girl said she was sent to live with grandparents.
Might sound weird I know but mainlanders are also limited in how often they can visit Hong Kong in one year depending where they were born. Rules just vary from region to region so we don't get the full picture and instead contradicting statements. That ID thing the hukou plays such an important role in their lives.
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On October 18 2011 13:07 Kewlots wrote:
worst thing if ever watched
I'm still sick to my stomach 4 hours after watching it.
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On October 18 2011 13:02 Reason.SC2 wrote:
This is disgusting.
I can't believe there are some people on this forum even trying to justify this sort of behavior with some bullshit cowardly fail-logic of "ohh I might get in trouble"
Pathetic. If you are so inhumane and spineless as to let a little girl die without even so much as calling an ambulance or trying to alert a parent, you don't deserve the title of human being. I don't know what the hell is going on in these people's heads.
They are either sociopathic robots or crippled by their cowardice. Either way, I want no part of a society that behaves like this.
sigh...
please go search the forum about the other threads that talk about this (there is one that describes how a man helps a old lady who fell and required medical help and after helping her to the hospital he was sued by the lady on the grounds of he was responsible for her injury).
Again, people don't want to help because they don't want to be accused of and be financially ruined.
Obviously yes, it is a bit disturbing to see the kid get run over and watch people just witness and not try to assist the baby other than calling the ambulance.
There is a story how a man fell down the escalators (or some shit like that) and broke some bones. People just stared at him while he was on the ground and no one assisted him until he announced that he required assistance and promised to not sue anyone. Right after he said that statement people rushed to his aide.
It is a cruel world. What the fuck do you want? I mean people will do take advantage of a situation which is exactly what the citizens in China are afraid of.
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The judges never seen a good citizen before? Or they were raised to be selfish and only think of themselves all the time? Maybe they were just high...any way you look at it, that verdict on the 06 case was complete bs
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