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On October 18 2011 06:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:18 uiCk wrote:On October 18 2011 06:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2011 05:25 Ayabara wrote:On October 18 2011 05:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2011 04:42 Ayabara wrote:On October 18 2011 04:36 Haemonculus wrote:On October 18 2011 04:35 Ayabara wrote:On October 18 2011 04:32 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:On October 17 2011 11:34 Antoine wrote:
people don't choose to be black or female.
they choose to use drugs/smoke/drink etc
this is the critical difference.
to address your above post, at some point the person made the choice to start. ^ this. I am surprised no-one has made this distinction yet. A gay person isn't gay if they never decide to have gay sex. Therefore, being gay is a choice! Just like being an addict is a choice! Does that make people who are celibate not straight? o.O Sarcasm! Straight people are straight. Gay people are gay. Addicts are addicts. They are all predetermined conditions, that is to say, there is no choice to be made. An addict is an addict for life, from the moment they are born to the day they die, they will struggle with their condition. And in what world, exactly, can anyone live in where people will go through their entire life without ever using a drug? Alcohol, medicinal opiates, marijuana... they are all very prevalent and most people use them without every having an addiction problem. Only those who are prone to addiction will become addicted. But I guess no one ever should use any mind altering drugs just to be safe! Where's that Jackie Chan meme when you need it? Or is the confused psychologist one better? You don't choose to start your sexual orientation. You choose to take your first harmful drug. You don't come out of the womb with the fate that you're going to become a heroin addict, and that your life will be over no matter what. You still make the conscious decision to start heroin, and that is the reason why it's your fault you went down that path to destruction, and why your analogy makes zero sense. Maybe you get addicted, and the effect that drugs have on your body can't be helped by you. But you're still the idiot who tried them in the first place. You can't be a heroin addict if you never try heroin. If you're stupid enough to take the risk and try harmful drugs even once, be prepared to deal with the worst possible consequences (which include addiction). This isn't even remotely close to being gay, and I can't believe that you're saying "addiction and sexual orientation both have genetic components, so therefore addicts and gays can be equated." Worst. Non sequitur. Ever. (And I'm not saying that it's impossible for there to be benefits of drugs. I'm merely saying that if you're going to take the risk in doing drugs, you need to be prepared to deal with any consequences, including addiction. You're making the conscious decision to take part in this experimentation. On the other hand, you're the still gay, regardless of whether or not you do anything about it.) You clearly don't know anything about the science of addiction. It is a predetermined condition. It isn't a choice. And you don't find out until you are already addicted to something. Very few people try heroin, because its widely known that it can be extremely dangerous. Those that are willing to take the risk for the possible effect aren't "stupid." They desire the described effect for a reason. Heroin doesn't have a profound effect, really. It's far more subtle than alcohol. It makes one feel comfortable, the most comfortable you can imagine. Like, Christmas morning with the whole family by the fire in a blanket with hot chocolate level of comfort. Potential users seek the effect despite the threat that the use of the drug poses to their life because they are psychologically ill, not because they are 'stupid.' They are prepared to deal with the worst possible consequences because they don't care about them. They don't care about ruining their lives. All they care about is not feeling like shit anymore. Happy, stable, healthy people almost never try heroin. In fact, most hardcore addicts are usually victims of severe child abuse or childhood trauma. Most addicts suffered from depression long before they even began using, and pursued drugs because of that depression.And really, are you such an asshole that you would think someone is trash just because of one mistake? Trying a drug once and BAM their lives are fucked? Or would you hate them because they continue to use, even though overcoming addiction is one of the most difficult struggles a human can go through?
If so, you're a worse human being than any addict I've ever met. This is such a hypocritical post, compared to everyone else's thoughts, I just need to point this out. Everyone else is talking about how great drugs are, and I personally don't mind if drugs are legalized, because I don't think the government should have any say in what a person should or shouldn't do with their body, as long as they pay the consequences if they commit a crime under the influence. But now all of a sudden, drug users are all victims, and the only release they can get are drugs (which are apparently mistakes), and now I should feel compassion for those who are addicted to their solution (which they wanted anyway)? I certainly never said anything about thinking of them as trash, but they certainly made the decision to try something bad. If anything, you made it more clear that drug users are unintelligent people, if I'm supposed to take anything out of your post (although I don't know if I'm going to believe you or not, as plenty of people on TL seem to be rather smart, and have no problem with bragging about doing drugs). So I'll just say what I said before, in different words: Those of us who are well-educated know that certain drugs can be addictive and incredibly harmful. If you want to take them (for whatever reason), you do that, and hopefully that works out well for you and you don't end up addicted or hurt or dead. Do what you want, but people are going to judge you based on the decisions you make. That doesn't make them "assholes". what makes people assholes is that they assume a person is addicted to drugs, because they make "bad choices" without reasoning why those bad choices are made. Same way some people are like "LOL wtf, why dont you get a job you homeless bum" without realizing the person they are talking to most likley has mental imbalances that prevent him, or blind him, from making the "correct" choice. Sometimes its better not to say anything, then to give out your 2cents without any reason. I think that's a good point. It's important to understand the background and circumstances surrounding people's decisions and lifestyles before formulating opinions about them.
Well if everyone uses that point in their thought process, they would not have to result in expressing themselves with prejudice. Prejudice is exactly that, Pre Judiciary, making assumptions without proper knowledge. And seems like Majority of people here are fine with that kind of "reasoning"; which is really sad, especially when they try and argue their un-knowledgeable assumptions.
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On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense.
Really. How does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems..
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2011 06:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:18 uiCk wrote:On October 18 2011 06:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2011 05:25 Ayabara wrote:On October 18 2011 05:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2011 04:42 Ayabara wrote:On October 18 2011 04:36 Haemonculus wrote:On October 18 2011 04:35 Ayabara wrote:On October 18 2011 04:32 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:On October 17 2011 11:34 Antoine wrote:
people don't choose to be black or female.
they choose to use drugs/smoke/drink etc
this is the critical difference.
to address your above post, at some point the person made the choice to start. ^ this. I am surprised no-one has made this distinction yet. A gay person isn't gay if they never decide to have gay sex. Therefore, being gay is a choice! Just like being an addict is a choice! Does that make people who are celibate not straight? o.O Sarcasm! Straight people are straight. Gay people are gay. Addicts are addicts. They are all predetermined conditions, that is to say, there is no choice to be made. An addict is an addict for life, from the moment they are born to the day they die, they will struggle with their condition. And in what world, exactly, can anyone live in where people will go through their entire life without ever using a drug? Alcohol, medicinal opiates, marijuana... they are all very prevalent and most people use them without every having an addiction problem. Only those who are prone to addiction will become addicted. But I guess no one ever should use any mind altering drugs just to be safe! Where's that Jackie Chan meme when you need it? Or is the confused psychologist one better? You don't choose to start your sexual orientation. You choose to take your first harmful drug. You don't come out of the womb with the fate that you're going to become a heroin addict, and that your life will be over no matter what. You still make the conscious decision to start heroin, and that is the reason why it's your fault you went down that path to destruction, and why your analogy makes zero sense. Maybe you get addicted, and the effect that drugs have on your body can't be helped by you. But you're still the idiot who tried them in the first place. You can't be a heroin addict if you never try heroin. If you're stupid enough to take the risk and try harmful drugs even once, be prepared to deal with the worst possible consequences (which include addiction). This isn't even remotely close to being gay, and I can't believe that you're saying "addiction and sexual orientation both have genetic components, so therefore addicts and gays can be equated." Worst. Non sequitur. Ever. (And I'm not saying that it's impossible for there to be benefits of drugs. I'm merely saying that if you're going to take the risk in doing drugs, you need to be prepared to deal with any consequences, including addiction. You're making the conscious decision to take part in this experimentation. On the other hand, you're the still gay, regardless of whether or not you do anything about it.) You clearly don't know anything about the science of addiction. It is a predetermined condition. It isn't a choice. And you don't find out until you are already addicted to something. Very few people try heroin, because its widely known that it can be extremely dangerous. Those that are willing to take the risk for the possible effect aren't "stupid." They desire the described effect for a reason. Heroin doesn't have a profound effect, really. It's far more subtle than alcohol. It makes one feel comfortable, the most comfortable you can imagine. Like, Christmas morning with the whole family by the fire in a blanket with hot chocolate level of comfort. Potential users seek the effect despite the threat that the use of the drug poses to their life because they are psychologically ill, not because they are 'stupid.' They are prepared to deal with the worst possible consequences because they don't care about them. They don't care about ruining their lives. All they care about is not feeling like shit anymore. Happy, stable, healthy people almost never try heroin. In fact, most hardcore addicts are usually victims of severe child abuse or childhood trauma. Most addicts suffered from depression long before they even began using, and pursued drugs because of that depression.And really, are you such an asshole that you would think someone is trash just because of one mistake? Trying a drug once and BAM their lives are fucked? Or would you hate them because they continue to use, even though overcoming addiction is one of the most difficult struggles a human can go through?
If so, you're a worse human being than any addict I've ever met. This is such a hypocritical post, compared to everyone else's thoughts, I just need to point this out. Everyone else is talking about how great drugs are, and I personally don't mind if drugs are legalized, because I don't think the government should have any say in what a person should or shouldn't do with their body, as long as they pay the consequences if they commit a crime under the influence. But now all of a sudden, drug users are all victims, and the only release they can get are drugs (which are apparently mistakes), and now I should feel compassion for those who are addicted to their solution (which they wanted anyway)? I certainly never said anything about thinking of them as trash, but they certainly made the decision to try something bad. If anything, you made it more clear that drug users are unintelligent people, if I'm supposed to take anything out of your post (although I don't know if I'm going to believe you or not, as plenty of people on TL seem to be rather smart, and have no problem with bragging about doing drugs). So I'll just say what I said before, in different words: Those of us who are well-educated know that certain drugs can be addictive and incredibly harmful. If you want to take them (for whatever reason), you do that, and hopefully that works out well for you and you don't end up addicted or hurt or dead. Do what you want, but people are going to judge you based on the decisions you make. That doesn't make them "assholes". what makes people assholes is that they assume a person is addicted to drugs, because they make "bad choices" without reasoning why those bad choices are made. Same way some people are like "LOL wtf, why dont you get a job you homeless bum" without realizing the person they are talking to most likley has mental imbalances that prevent him, or blind him, from making the "correct" choice. Sometimes its better not to say anything, then to give out your 2cents without any reason. I think that's a good point. It's important to understand the background and circumstances surrounding people's decisions and lifestyles before formulating opinions about them.
I smoke (cannabis O.o) and drive all the time. I used to go to work blazed all the time. I'm not gonna say its safer than not smoking and driving, but honestly anybody that smokes just about everyday will tell you that being high is just kind of normal (more normal than not being high) for you at that point, its not like you get drunk and out of control on pot when you have any tolerance to it. I have had people tell me they know when I'm high and when I'm not, they don't have a fucking clue. Everyone is different though, there are plenty of people I would be afraid to ride a long with (in a car) while they were sober, let alone intoxicated.
I'm not gonna say anything else because I have been avoiding this thread as is. I knew the majority of the posts would make me /facepalm.
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On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. How does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems..
In what world is opposing the use of substances that cause massive problems in today's society the same as supporting the killing millions of innocent people? That is not only mind-blowingly stupid, but also hugely offensive.
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Caffeine is a drug that people use to overcome being tired and can make people more aggressive, do you judge people who drink coffee? Pot is pretty much the opposite. I would rather be around someone more mellow and less wired.
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On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. And how does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems..
You are essentially saying that "People that generally comply with societal norms that have existed for generations like genocide", which is a statement that doesn't make sense.
To get back to the OP, yes, I generally frown on any form of self-destructive behavior, drug/alcohol abuse included. I see too many idiots at work doing stupid shit or destroying their lives with drugs to not have a negative opinion of them. Obviously not everyone that ever uses any form of illicit substance will mess their life up with it, but the association is there.
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"Illegal Drugs" is too broad a term.
There are bad drugs out there, heroin crack other hard stuff. They ruin lives, but if you let weed ruin your life, well your a fucking retard. Your life was probably going nowhere to begin with.
But weed, hardly an addictive life destroying substance.... eating afew mushrooms? big deal at least you wont be hungover. Having a few beers? hardly a "problem" as long as your not downing 2 bottles of spirits a day.
If you judged me cause I take a smoke of a joint after work, and did a load of "class a" drugs when I was younger, well your not really someone I would want to know anyway. Your just ignorant to the wider world.
I think Americans in general have a much more negative outlook on recreational drug use, yes you can use drugs for fun without fucking your life up. People have been doing it for 100,000's of years. Just ask anyone studying anthropology.
Haters gonna hate tho I guess.
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On October 18 2011 06:42 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. And how does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems.. You are essentially saying that "People that generally comply with societal norms that have existed for generations like genocide", which is a statement that doesn't make sense. To get back to the OP, yes, I generally frown on any form of self-destructive behavior, drug/alcohol abuse included. I see too many idiots at work doing stupid shit or destroying their lives with drugs to not have a negative opinion of them. Obviously not everyone that ever uses any form of illicit substance will mess their life up with it, but the association is there.
Nope, your reading comprehension skills still aren't shining.
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Well for me I just have to wonder why would anybody start taking drugs (even if it is smoking weed) in the first place? Want to feel cool because it is illegal? If this is the case it absolutely has negative impact on my perception of someone.
If it is not the case then you had to start because you wanted to feel better. That's kind of sad so again, it negatively affects my view on a person. I know you cant be happy all the time but to take drugs is just running away from the problems and i dont like this kind of weak aspect of the person.
Well you can say that even about alcohol, but despite that its much easier for me to accept somebody who is drinking once a week than if he for example smokes weed. In my opinion there is a big difference between alcohol and drugs. With drugs you dont have any immediate negative effects. If you drink a little too much you will barf, you will feel sick next day and sometimes you wont remember a thing what happened. You hear so many times people say "i wont drink again". But if you overuse marijuana? You gonna feel thirsty and hungry? Oh come one. So its much more dangerous in this way, because it will have affect negatively in long run.
The last thing i would like to point out is that people usually drink while partying or whatever. And I think its perfect. You wanna have fun with friends or other people. But in the case of drugs i think there are much more cases when you take it/smoke it by yourself. There are for sure some people who drink alone and tons of people who smoke weed only with friends.
I dont wanna say that if somebody smokes weed that it makes him automatically terrible person. But I would like to find out what is the reason behind taking drugs? I just dont see the point and I would like to hear some.
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i find that i can't respect users
this stems from my entire family being users/cooks/growers/dealers and seeing their qualities and the qualities of the people they associate with for my whole life
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On October 18 2011 06:38 JPP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. How does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems.. In what world is opposing the use of substances that cause massive problems in today's society the same as supporting the killing millions of innocent people? That is not only mind-blowingly stupid, but also hugely offensive.
What massive problems in today's society does marijuana cause? I've been purposely avoiding your posts because they seem to lack any empirical basis. Blindly believing that marijuana is the root of all evil despite scientific research pointing towards the contrary, is similar to Nazi Germany buying into the propaganda that Jews and Non-Aryans were the root of all evil despite what logic would tell you. You are the only one being offensive with your baseless posts.
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On October 18 2011 05:58 ryanAnger wrote:
Threads like these typically result in people like me getting angry at people like the guy who posted at the top of the page.
Ignorance and subordination has resulted in a negative stigma against Marijuana. People will always be judgmental and hypocritical, but it doesn't make it any easier for me to accept it.
I've been high. I've hung out with stoners for the last 16 years, was exposed to them for at least 8 before that.
For every one person I've personally known who can handle daily cannabis consumption without a significant impact on several areas of their adult life, there's at least 5 who can't. And even the degree to which someone may be able to handle daily pot use is oftentimes on shaky ground. This isn't conjecture. I'm mildly autistic, everything I know about human behavior I had to observe.
So please, don't consider me to be in the ignorant finger-pointing camp, because I'm not. I have very good reasons for considering non-recreational marijuana a huge waste.
And that's the thing, half the people who say they use it recreationally are lying to themselves. If you use it every day, by yourself, nobody else to smoke with, and spend oftentimes hours in a day looking for more when you run out, and get irritable when you can't score any more, that's not recreational use.
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On October 18 2011 06:57 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:38 JPP wrote:On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. How does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems.. In what world is opposing the use of substances that cause massive problems in today's society the same as supporting the killing millions of innocent people? That is not only mind-blowingly stupid, but also hugely offensive. What massive problems in today's society does marijuana cause? I've been purposely avoiding your posts because they seem to lack any empirical basis. Blindly believing that marijuana is the root of all evil despite scientific research pointing towards the contrary, is similar to Nazi Germany buying into the propaganda that Jews and Non-Aryans were the root of all evil despite what logic would tell you. You are the only one being offensive with your baseless posts.
In your post, you only mentioned drugs, not specifically marihuana. I can admit that I haven't done much research into marihuana, so I won't comment on that. Actually in my previous post I specifically mentioned that I don't want to get into a argument about marihuana just because I don't have facts about it. Something you can't deny though, is that hard drugs cause lots of problems, and being against them is nothing like supporting the holocaust.
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On October 18 2011 07:03 JPP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 06:57 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:38 JPP wrote:On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. How does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems.. In what world is opposing the use of substances that cause massive problems in today's society the same as supporting the killing millions of innocent people? That is not only mind-blowingly stupid, but also hugely offensive. What massive problems in today's society does marijuana cause? I've been purposely avoiding your posts because they seem to lack any empirical basis. Blindly believing that marijuana is the root of all evil despite scientific research pointing towards the contrary, is similar to Nazi Germany buying into the propaganda that Jews and Non-Aryans were the root of all evil despite what logic would tell you. You are the only one being offensive with your baseless posts. In your post, you only mentioned drugs, not specifically marihuana. I can admit that I haven't done much research into marihuana, so I won't comment on that. Actually in my previous post I specifically mentioned that I don't want to get into a argument about marihuana just because of that. Something you can't deny though, is that hard drugs cause lots of problems, and being against them is nothing like supporting the holocaust.
You and that other guy are seriously over thinking my post.
He originally posted, "Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms."
I used Nazi Germany to highlight somewhere where cultural norms were not necessarily based on logic or reason. If the use of Nazi Germany is too mind blowing, I can tone it down. America, early 1900s, Blacks are no longer slaves but interracial marriage is still a SOCIAL STIGMA and eventually banned. Was it wrong for people to challenge that and think logically? Think that maybe white people and black people aren't that different? I guess it was and we should all still own slaves and treat women as second class citizens. We might as well go ahead and ban gay marriage too because that is clearly against the bible. Why on earth would you ever question social norms...? Herpity Derpity.
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On October 18 2011 07:01 AutomatonOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 05:58 ryanAnger wrote:
Threads like these typically result in people like me getting angry at people like the guy who posted at the top of the page.
Ignorance and subordination has resulted in a negative stigma against Marijuana. People will always be judgmental and hypocritical, but it doesn't make it any easier for me to accept it.
I've been high. I've hung out with stoners for the last 16 years, was exposed to them for at least 8 before that. For every one person I've personally known who can handle daily cannabis consumption without a significant impact on several areas of their adult life, there's at least 5 who can't. And even the degree to which someone may be able to handle daily pot use is oftentimes on shaky ground. This isn't conjecture. I'm mildly autistic, everything I know about human behavior I had to observe. So please, don't consider me to be in the ignorant finger-pointing camp, because I'm not. I have very good reasons for considering non-recreational marijuana a huge waste. And that's the thing, half the people who say they use it recreationally are lying to themselves. If you use it every day, by yourself, nobody else to smoke with, and spend oftentimes hours in a day looking for more when you run out, and get irritable when you can't score any more, that's not recreational use.
Well you must hang out with some pretty weird stoners then. For all of the stoners I know, smoking weed doesn't affect any part of their adult lives apart from the fact of having to buy weed occasionally.
But then again both of our evidence is circumstantial, so neither of us can make any certain claims.
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On October 18 2011 05:46 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 11:30 Alay wrote:On October 17 2011 11:29 UmiNotsuki wrote:On October 17 2011 11:28 TheLOLas wrote:
I suppose that if someone tells me that they use drugs ( such as pot, meth, crack, or anything else ) i wouldn't want to be around them. and therefore I would be prejudiced. Do you think it's prejudice? Or do you somehow justify not wanting to be around them? If I said "I don't want to be around Mike because he's black," that's wrong. If I say "I don't want to be around Mike because he smokes pot," is that just as bad? He can change being a pot head. Smoking pot isn't an inherently bad thing. Why should he change it? Just to make judgmental shitheads like you happy? Yes, it is a prejudice, it's application of a negative stereotype to someone without any knowledge of their actual behaviors.
here's another problem.
Smoking not inherently being a bad thing? Is entirely YOUR opinion. And an entirely flawed one, at that. And then you call someone a judgemental shithead? like...really? irony anywhere in there?
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while we're here, holy shit.
"well youre against it therefore you're just an idiot with your head in the sand and mannnn you're just throwing it off and calling it bad because it's against the societal norm! you don't even know man! here's some facts man! see man?! god you're an asshole man!"
vs
"well you're for it therefore you're just an idiot with your head in the sand blindly deluding yourself to try to justify destroying your own life. you don't even know what you're doing to yourself or care because you see no problem with it. here are some facts, "man". god you're an asshole"
there. i have now summed up the whole thread. i can leave and attempt to block this out of my memory.
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On October 18 2011 07:08 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 07:03 JPP wrote:On October 18 2011 06:57 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:38 JPP wrote:On October 18 2011 06:34 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:31 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:24 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 06:19 Dranak wrote:On October 18 2011 06:11 SupLilSon wrote:
Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms. It really is shocking that people blindly accept cultural norms without ever thinking for themselves. If you don't see a problem with this then you would have loved Nazi Germany. Really? Do you really want to compare drug use (which does have negative consequences of varying degrees) to the Holocaust? That comparison doesn't even make any reasonable amount of sense. Really. How does it not make any reasonable sense? I think you just have reading comprehension problems.. In what world is opposing the use of substances that cause massive problems in today's society the same as supporting the killing millions of innocent people? That is not only mind-blowingly stupid, but also hugely offensive. What massive problems in today's society does marijuana cause? I've been purposely avoiding your posts because they seem to lack any empirical basis. Blindly believing that marijuana is the root of all evil despite scientific research pointing towards the contrary, is similar to Nazi Germany buying into the propaganda that Jews and Non-Aryans were the root of all evil despite what logic would tell you. You are the only one being offensive with your baseless posts. In your post, you only mentioned drugs, not specifically marihuana. I can admit that I haven't done much research into marihuana, so I won't comment on that. Actually in my previous post I specifically mentioned that I don't want to get into a argument about marihuana just because of that. Something you can't deny though, is that hard drugs cause lots of problems, and being against them is nothing like supporting the holocaust. You and that other guy are seriously over thinking my post. He originally posted, "Shocking, people have negative opinions of things that violate cultural norms." I used Nazi Germany to highlight somewhere where cultural norms were not necessarily based on logic or reason. If the use of Nazi Germany is too mind blowing, I can tone it down. America, early 1900s, Blacks are no longer slaves but interracial marriage is still a SOCIAL STIGMA and eventually banned. Was it wrong for people to challenge that and think logically? Think that maybe white people and black people aren't that different? I guess it was and we should all still own slaves and treat women as second class citizens. Why on earth would you ever question social norms...? Herpity Derpity.
Alright, I maybe worded my response a little too strongly and I apologize for that. However my point is that hard drugs cause problems. That is not an opinion or something that someone wants to you to believe. That is a fact and it's something that seems like you won't admit.
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On October 18 2011 06:55 Bruky wrote:
Well for me I just have to wonder why would anybody start taking drugs (even if it is smoking weed) in the first place? Want to feel cool because it is illegal? If this is the case it absolutely has negative impact on my perception of someone.
If it is not the case then you had to start because you wanted to feel better. That's kind of sad so again, it negatively affects my view on a person. I know you cant be happy all the time but to take drugs is just running away from the problems and i dont like this kind of weak aspect of the person.
Well you can say that even about alcohol, but despite that its much easier for me to accept somebody who is drinking once a week than if he for example smokes weed. In my opinion there is a big difference between alcohol and drugs. With drugs you dont have any immediate negative effects. If you drink a little too much you will barf, you will feel sick next day and sometimes you wont remember a thing what happened. You hear so many times people say "i wont drink again". But if you overuse marijuana? You gonna feel thirsty and hungry? Oh come one. So its much more dangerous in this way, because it will have affect negatively in long run.
The last thing i would like to point out is that people usually drink while partying or whatever. And I think its perfect. You wanna have fun with friends or other people. But in the case of drugs i think there are much more cases when you take it/smoke it by yourself. There are for sure some people who drink alone and tons of people who smoke weed only with friends.
I dont wanna say that if somebody smokes weed that it makes him automatically terrible person. But I would like to find out what is the reason behind taking drugs? I just dont see the point and I would like to hear some.
so drinking to party is good, but a joint to relax after work is bad?
alcohol is not a drug?
oh boy...
and i do not feel any negative effects of drinking 5 beers, yet am pretty pissed.
ps: drinking to have fun. can't have fun without? weak character, obviously.
nah, seriously, get it in your head: alcohol is a drug. you ask for reasons why to take drugs... ask yourself, why do you drink? it's the answer.
if your definition of a drug is "gives you negative effects too", ecstacy is not a drug, cause it gives you a hangover. dude. think about it. you're spewing what propaganda has taught you. really. the only reason why you believe in the ways you do, is because television always makes a difference between drugs and alcohol.
there's no difference, trust me. i've tried both.
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On October 18 2011 07:12 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 07:01 AutomatonOmega wrote:On October 18 2011 05:58 ryanAnger wrote:
Threads like these typically result in people like me getting angry at people like the guy who posted at the top of the page.
Ignorance and subordination has resulted in a negative stigma against Marijuana. People will always be judgmental and hypocritical, but it doesn't make it any easier for me to accept it.
I've been high. I've hung out with stoners for the last 16 years, was exposed to them for at least 8 before that. For every one person I've personally known who can handle daily cannabis consumption without a significant impact on several areas of their adult life, there's at least 5 who can't. And even the degree to which someone may be able to handle daily pot use is oftentimes on shaky ground. This isn't conjecture. I'm mildly autistic, everything I know about human behavior I had to observe. So please, don't consider me to be in the ignorant finger-pointing camp, because I'm not. I have very good reasons for considering non-recreational marijuana a huge waste. And that's the thing, half the people who say they use it recreationally are lying to themselves. If you use it every day, by yourself, nobody else to smoke with, and spend oftentimes hours in a day looking for more when you run out, and get irritable when you can't score any more, that's not recreational use. Well you must hang out with some pretty weird stoners then. For all of the stoners I know, smoking weed doesn't affect any part of their adult lives apart from the fact of having to buy weed occasionally. But then again both of our evidence is circumstantial, so neither of us can make any certain claims.
Central Oregon. College town.
Coincidentally, this town has a really bad job market. Might contribute to the amount of deadbeats around here.
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On October 18 2011 06:55 Bruky wrote:
Well for me I just have to wonder why would anybody start taking drugs (even if it is smoking weed) in the first place? Want to feel cool because it is illegal? If this is the case it absolutely has negative impact on my perception of someone.
If it is not the case then you had to start because you wanted to feel better. That's kind of sad so again, it negatively affects my view on a person. I know you cant be happy all the time but to take drugs is just running away from the problems and i dont like this kind of weak aspect of the person.
Well you can say that even about alcohol, but despite that its much easier for me to accept somebody who is drinking once a week than if he for example smokes weed. In my opinion there is a big difference between alcohol and drugs. With drugs you dont have any immediate negative effects. If you drink a little too much you will barf, you will feel sick next day and sometimes you wont remember a thing what happened. You hear so many times people say "i wont drink again". But if you overuse marijuana? You gonna feel thirsty and hungry? Oh come one. So its much more dangerous in this way, because it will have affect negatively in long run.
The last thing i would like to point out is that people usually drink while partying or whatever. And I think its perfect. You wanna have fun with friends or other people. But in the case of drugs i think there are much more cases when you take it/smoke it by yourself. There are for sure some people who drink alone and tons of people who smoke weed only with friends.
I dont wanna say that if somebody smokes weed that it makes him automatically terrible person. But I would like to find out what is the reason behind taking drugs? I just dont see the point and I would like to hear some.
The reason you barf after drinking too much is because it is literally poison.. Your body is having a natural reaction to a large intake of toxins, which is to expel them ASAP. Which is more dangerous again?
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