EPTPrejudice Against Drug Use? - Page 29
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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SilverJohnny
United States885 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45770 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:15 SupLilSon wrote: As a lot of other people have already mentioned, and it really doesn't take a huge leap of common sense to see it... There are tons of legal ways to destroy your body, in must faster and more severe ways than ANY of the illegal drugs. Fatty Foods/Heart Disease, Cigarettes/Cancer. Obviously the government and general populace isn't against weed because it destroys your body.... herp derp Of course there are tons of legal ways to slowly destroy your body too. That's not what the topic is, so I don't appreciate the red herring. Let's try staying on topic now, thanks. What we're talking about here is illegal drugs. Doing illegal drugs harms your body as well, and so to say the crime is victimless is just wrong because you're a victim. That's merely the point I was making. You comparing legal and illegal ways to destroy your body doesn't make illegal drugs "victimless crimes". And I was careful to separate pot from other, more harmful drugs, so please note that eating a cheeseburger or smoking a cigarette and then getting behind the wheel of a car is not worthy of being arrested, because your mind isn't altered, whereas smoking pot (or doing something worse) is. herp derp yourself, try paying attention please. | ||
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ahx
Canada132 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:26 Alay wrote: No. my mother and father were both big alcoholics. My best friend went completely wacked out on pot and almost got me in some bad places. I've seen drug use and abuse do nothing but hurt the people around me, and I certainly think very little of people who cannot find any other coping mechanism than to resort to warping their perception. Completely whacked out on pot? Oh please, your friend could have gotten an addiction to fucking cheeseburgers and still would have been whacked out, but you wouldn't blame the cheeseburgers, right? You'd blame him, weed isn't addictive, stop being an idiot. | ||
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ahx
Canada132 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Of course there are tons of legal ways to slowly destroy your body too. That's not what the topic is, so I don't appreciate the red herring. Let's try staying on topic now, thanks. What we're talking about here is illegal drugs. Doing illegal drugs harms your body as well, and so to say the crime is victimless is just wrong because you're a victim. That's merely the point I was making. You comparing legal and illegal ways to destroy your body doesn't make illegal drugs "victimless crimes". And I was careful to separate pot from other, more harmful drugs, so please note that eating a cheeseburger or smoking a cigarette and then getting behind the wheel of a car is not worthy of being arrested, because your mind isn't altered, whereas smoking pot (or doing something worse) is. herp derp yourself, try paying attention please. And you would know first hand at how dangerous it is to drive under the influence of weed, right? | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:33 Microsloth wrote: See, these are the type of posts that don't happen on other forums  Go go gadget TLWe're cool, but if I see you on the ladder, to steal a line from MC, " I keel you " Haha, fair deal! See you in The Abyss sometime son. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
Ignorance and subordination has resulted in a negative stigma against Marijuana. People will always be judgmental and hypocritical, but it doesn't make it any easier for me to accept it. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Of course there are tons of legal ways to slowly destroy your body too. That's not what the topic is, so I don't appreciate the red herring. Let's try staying on topic now, thanks. What we're talking about here is illegal drugs. Doing illegal drugs harms your body as well, and so to say the crime is victimless is just wrong because you're a victim. That's merely the point I was making. You comparing legal and illegal ways to destroy your body doesn't make illegal drugs "victimless crimes". And I was careful to separate pot from other, more harmful drugs, so please note that eating a cheeseburger or smoking a cigarette and then getting behind the wheel of a car is not worthy of being arrested, because your mind isn't altered, whereas smoking pot (or doing something worse) is. herp derp yourself, try paying attention please. If you had the presence of mind to do any amount of research before making outrageous claims, you'd realize that of all things that negatively impact your ability to drive, consumption of marijuana is one of the least detrimental. | ||
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Nibbler89
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So it seems a lot of people that are prejudiced against pot users are using the reason that it's a choice and they believe it's a unhealthy lifestyle choice. Therefore you can make assumptions about the person that are negative and not want to hang around them. So do these same people also feel the same way about people who are fat / over weight and choose not to hang out with them? Do they consider people who are over weight, overweight by choice? Because overweight people "choose" to eat too much food or unhealthy food and not exercise enough. Do you make similar assumptions about them as many here seem to do about drug users? That they are lazy, rely on artificial happiness through food, don't care about their appearance to others and live an unhealthy lifestyle that doesn't involve being active? Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US so it's not as if it doesn't hurt anyone, obviously the person who is over weight but also the stress placed on healthcare. I'm not saying these are my views I'm just wondering how/if people can reconcile being prejudiced against someone that uses marijuana but not be the same for overweight people assuming the same reasoning for their prejudice could be applied(disapproval of a unhealthy lifestyle so therefore do not want to be around them).Things like hanging out with meth users is obviously dangerous / scary for good reasons so I'm focusing on the prejudice based upon what is seen as a chosen unhealthy life style. | ||
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JPP
Finland104 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On October 18 2011 04:51 DamnCats wrote: Yea, people who don't think the comparison between caffeine and something like cocaine is legitimate are fools and hypocrites. Let's go down the list: Comes from a plant? check, and check. Acts as a CNS stimulant? check, and check. Makes you feel more alert and awake? check, check checkity check check check. Don't take caffeine after a long period of use? Become irritable and get headaches/feel like crap. Don't take cocaine after a long period of use? Become irritable (maybe slightly easier) and feel like crap. Shit if you want to compare more I bet you could find someone who has tripped harder off fucking cough medicine (DXM) than something like shrooms or LSD. Wow. Just wow. Let me try that as well. "Are elephants like potatoes?" Are made up of matter, like potatoes? Check. Are they subject to gravity? Check. Are they rough on the outside? Check. Do their names contain letters? Check. I guess that proves that elephants are exactly like potatoes, then. /sarcasm. If you're just going to willfully ignore the actual point of my post and make some bullshit comparison based on traits I never even argued about, this is me checking out for the day. | ||
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ahx
Canada132 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:02 Nibbler89 wrote: So first off since I think it's reasonable to not want to be around people who use drugs which can make a person dangerous, so instead I'll focus on the prejudice against pot users since I think most people can agree whether you approve of pot users or not that they aren't really dangerous so if you disapprove of them it's probably for reasons other than your personal safety. So it seems a lot of people that are prejudiced against pot users are using the reason that it's a choice and they believe it's a unhealthy lifestyle choice. Therefore you can make assumptions about the person that are negative and not want to hang around them. So do these same people also feel the same way about people who are fat / over weight and choose not to hang out with them? I'd think most people would say food isn't as addictive of a substance as drugs yet there is still a huge obesity problem in western nations. Do they consider people who are over weight, overweight by choice? Because overweight people "choose" to eat too much food or unhealthy food and not exercise enough. Do you make the similar assumptions about them as many here seem to do about drug users? That they are lazy, rely on artificial happiness through food, don't care about their appearance to others and live an unhealthy lifestyle that doesn't involve being active? Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US so it's not as if it doesn't hurt anyone, obviously the person who is over weight but also the stress placed on healthcare. I'm not saying these are my views I'm just wondering how/if people can reconcile being prejudiced against someone that uses marijuana but not be the same for overweight people when the same reasoning for their prejudice could be applied(disapproval of a unhealthy lifestyle so therefore do not want to be around them).Things like hanging out with meth users is obviously dangerous / scary for good reasons so I'm focusing on the prejudice based upon what is seen as a chosen unhealthy life style. Eh.. this topic should definitely stay on the subject of drugs.. but yes the same people who share the ignorance of believing people who smoke pot are ruining them selves usually show the same attitude towards overweight people. While a majority of the cases in people being overweight has to do with personal choice, everyone lives different lives and most over weight people (especially younger ones) tend to be poor, because shitty food is cheap, it's more than a personal choice issue.. and until people get the head out of their asses and stop paying attention to what their redneck father and fox news has to tell them, the world will not change. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:04 DarQraven wrote: Wow. Just wow. Let me try that as well. "Are elephants like potatoes?" Are made up of matter, like potatoes? Check. Are they subject to gravity? Check. Are they rough on the outside? Check. Do their names contain letters? Check. I guess that proves that elephants are exactly like potatoes, then. /sarcasm. If you're just going to willfully ignore the actual point of my post and make some bullshit comparison based on traits I never even argued about, this is me checking out for the day. Based on your piss poor arguments, I'd guess you've been "checked out" for a while. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Of course there are tons of legal ways to slowly destroy your body too. That's not what the topic is, so I don't appreciate the red herring. Let's try staying on topic now, thanks. What we're talking about here is illegal drugs. Doing illegal drugs harms your body as well, and so to say the crime is victimless is just wrong because you're a victim. That's merely the point I was making. You comparing legal and illegal ways to destroy your body doesn't make illegal drugs "victimless crimes". And I was careful to separate pot from other, more harmful drugs, so please note that eating a cheeseburger or smoking a cigarette and then getting behind the wheel of a car is not worthy of being arrested, because your mind isn't altered, whereas smoking pot (or doing something worse) is. herp derp yourself, try paying attention please. So please enlighten me. What negative effects does THC have on a user's body? I'm not talking about smoking, I'm talking about THC. No biased BS, scientific evidence, proven through research and the scientific method. Because I think it would have to harm you in order for you to be a victim. Or provide me with one example of someone who has died from marijuana. | ||
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ahx
Canada132 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45770 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:25 Ayabara wrote: You clearly don't know anything about the science of addiction. It is a predetermined condition. It isn't a choice. And you don't find out until you are already addicted to something. Very few people try heroin, because its widely known that it can be extremely dangerous. Those that are willing to take the risk for the possible effect aren't "stupid." They desire the described effect for a reason. Heroin doesn't have a profound effect, really. It's far more subtle than alcohol. It makes one feel comfortable, the most comfortable you can imagine. Like, Christmas morning with the whole family by the fire in a blanket with hot chocolate level of comfort. Potential users seek the effect despite the threat that the use of the drug poses to their life because they are psychologically ill, not because they are 'stupid.' They are prepared to deal with the worst possible consequences because they don't care about them. They don't care about ruining their lives. All they care about is not feeling like shit anymore. Happy, stable, healthy people almost never try heroin. In fact, most hardcore addicts are usually victims of severe child abuse or childhood trauma. Most addicts suffered from depression long before they even began using, and pursued drugs because of that depression. And really, are you such an asshole that you would think someone is trash just because of one mistake? Trying a drug once and BAM their lives are fucked? Or would you hate them because they continue to use, even though overcoming addiction is one of the most difficult struggles a human can go through? If so, you're a worse human being than any addict I've ever met. This is such a hypocritical post, compared to everyone else's thoughts, I just need to point this out. Everyone else is talking about how great drugs are, and I personally don't mind if drugs are legalized, because I don't think the government should have any say in what a person should or shouldn't do with their body, as long as they pay the consequences if they commit a crime under the influence. But now all of a sudden, drug users are all victims, and the only release they can get are drugs (which are apparently mistakes), and now I should feel compassion for those who are addicted to their solution (which they wanted anyway)? I certainly never said anything about thinking of them as trash, but they certainly made the decision to try something bad. If anything, you made it more clear that drug users are unintelligent people, if I'm supposed to take anything out of your post (although I don't know if I'm going to believe you or not, as plenty of people on TL seem to be rather smart, and have no problem with bragging about doing drugs). So I'll just say what I said before, in different words: Those of us who are well-educated know that certain drugs can be addictive and incredibly harmful. If you want to take them (for whatever reason), you do that, and hopefully that works out well for you and you don't end up addicted or hurt or dead. Do what you want, but people are going to judge you based on the decisions you make. That doesn't make them "assholes". | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:06 ryanAnger wrote: Based on your piss poor arguments, I'd guess you've been "checked out" for a while. Either that or he is one of those people who is against drugs because it is a social/cultural stigma and has never even considered why from a logical standpoint. I think your simple logic is blowing his mind. Think Dave Chapelle in the White KKK member skit. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:02 Nibbler89 wrote: So first off since I think it's reasonable to not want to be around people who use drugs which can make a person dangerous, so instead I'll focus on the prejudice against pot users since I think most people can agree whether you approve of pot users or not that they aren't really dangerous so if you disapprove of them it's probably for reasons other than your personal safety. So it seems a lot of people that are prejudiced against pot users are using the reason that it's a choice and they believe it's a unhealthy lifestyle choice. Therefore you can make assumptions about the person that are negative and not want to hang around them. So do these same people also feel the same way about people who are fat / over weight and choose not to hang out with them? I'd think most people would say food isn't as addictive of a substance as drugs yet there is still a huge obesity problem in western nations. Do they consider people who are over weight, overweight by choice? Because overweight people "choose" to eat too much food or unhealthy food and not exercise enough. Do you make similar assumptions about them as many here seem to do about drug users? That they are lazy, rely on artificial happiness through food, don't care about their appearance to others and live an unhealthy lifestyle that doesn't involve being active? Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US so it's not as if it doesn't hurt anyone, obviously the person who is over weight but also the stress placed on healthcare. I'm not saying these are my views I'm just wondering how/if people can reconcile being prejudiced against someone that uses marijuana but not be the same for overweight people assuming the same reasoning for their prejudice could be applied(disapproval of a unhealthy lifestyle so therefore do not want to be around them).Things like hanging out with meth users is obviously dangerous / scary for good reasons so I'm focusing on the prejudice based upon what is seen as a chosen unhealthy life style. i think most people would be wrong http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2013703/Why-salt-addictive-It-stimulates-brain-cells-just-like-cigarettes-hard-drugs.html | ||
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