EPTPrejudice Against Drug Use? - Page 3
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Here, this should be the poll imo: Poll: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she uses illegal drugs... It negatively affects your opinion of him/ her. (649) It depends on certain circumstances (explain in post). (224) It does not affect your opinion of him/ her. (214) It positively affects your opinion of him/ her. (65) 1152 total votes Your vote: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she uses illegal drugs... (Vote): It negatively affects your opinion of him/ her. legal/illegal drugs.. whats the difference? I can't see anyone logically drawing a conclusion that they would rather be associated with someone who abuses legal drugs. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
The biggest one is smoking-- in my mind when you choose to force other people around you to breathe the air you have polluted with disgusting chemicals, that is the same as driving drunk. If you want to endanger yourself, that's one thing, but when you put innocent people in danger based on your decision, that's wrong. On the other hand, I don't mind tobacco or nicotine patches or whatever, because I don't have to be subjected to them. I know zero smokers who are responsible and don't expose others to their smoking. If you are going to smoke, do it inside your own home, for god's sake never smoke around children, and don't think that just because you're outside it's any better for all the people walking past you on the street, or your neighbors who would like to use their backyard without breathing noxious fumes. Drugs like meth, for example, which kills fast and does terrible things to the mind and body-- I will judge you as someone who makes such ridiculously bad choices that I do not want to be around you. Drugs that actually don't effect others around you, and that aren't going to immediately kill you-- well do what you want. I am not going to 'pre-judge' you for a choice that effects only you, but I will probably make a judgement about you, good or bad, once I get to know you. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45046 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:54 VPCursed wrote: legal/illegal drugs.. whats the difference? I can't see anyone logically drawing a conclusion that they would rather be associated with someone who abuses legal drugs. Well I'm not an alcoholic, but I occasionally have a drink at dinner or at a party  You don't have to abuse legal drugs to use them (unless you're addicted). I felt that my poll had a bit milder wording (it fixed "prejudice"), which was one of the two main problems (the other being marijuana vs. most other illegal drugs... a lot of people don't mind pot smokers but may care about users of other drugs). | ||
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dupshflayh
Norway49 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:44 MrDudeMan wrote: No, it isn't too open. The thread isn't about whether drug use should be tolerated. Its about whether judging someone based on their drug use is considered prejudice. And it's not. Its just judging someone based on their lifestyle choices. Choices they have complete control over. So judging someone for taking Benzodiazepines is OK. Let's say they didn't buy them on the black market and have a prescription for severe social anxiety. Is it still ok? See, there's plenty of uses for most of the things you normally call drugs. It's a way to wide description, as simply "drugs" implies pretty much anything that can alter your consciousness to any degree. Coffee is a drug(although not nearly as potent as say amphetamines), yet you judge no one for using it, do you? | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote: IMO the problem with this thread is that the OP started from the assumption that "drugs are bad." It's like asking, "I think X race is bad, is it wrong to be prejudiced?" Also I think it would be better if we specified what drugs we're talking about because weed, cocaine, tobacco, caffeine, asprin, meth, tobacco, and alcohol can all be labeled "drugs" but they aren't anywhere near the same thing. In my defense, I think you're misunderstanding me and I think everyone else seems to understand my meaning well enough to contribute. No thread's ever perfect! | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Here, this should be the poll imo: Poll: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she uses illegal drugs... It negatively affects your opinion of him/ her. (649) It depends on certain circumstances (explain in post). (224) It does not affect your opinion of him/ her. (214) It positively affects your opinion of him/ her. (65) 1152 total votes Your vote: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she uses illegal drugs... (Vote): It negatively affects your opinion of him/ her. Depends on the drug. If they say they smoke pot every once in a while then I wouldn't care. But if they said they did like meth or cocaine, then yeah I would think negatively of them. I don't really see why it matters if judging someone based on if they do drugs is prejudice or not. If you want to be considered a respectable person don't do drugs, simple as that. Otherwise I'm going to assume something is wrong with you, since you can't have a good time without affecting your state of mind with some drug (this applies to people who drink WAY too much alcohol for fun on a regular basis too). | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:59 dupshflayh wrote: So judging someone for taking Benzodiazepines is OK. Let's say they didn't buy them on the black market and have a prescription for severe social anxiety. Is it still ok? See, there's plenty of uses for most of the things you normally call drugs. It's a way to wide description, as simply "drugs" implies pretty much anything that can alter your consciousness to any degree. Coffee is a drug(although not nearly as potent as say amphetamines), yet you judge no one for using it, do you? Yes, every action taken can be called "good" or "bad" for different reasons. If a man kills me, that's wrong. If a man kills me, and that action saves the lives of 5 other people, that's not wrong. It's why its called "abuse". It's not THC "abuse" if its prescribed for end-stage cancer analgesia. It's abuse if you're taking it solely because you like the feeling. On October 17 2011 12:02 naggerNZ wrote: I smoke weed, and use hallucinogenics/amphetamines. I have so many deep character flaws to begin with, that I don't see why I should be worried about smoking some weed and tripping on a weekend. Anyone who tells you that they're too self-aware or emotionally secure to use drugs is lying. We all need ways to deal with the constant barrage of cognitive dissonance that people lucky enough to not be born as a starving African corpse have to deal with. For some people it's drugs, for others it's alcohol, or self-harm, or suicide. Those who don't self medicate are usually too stupid to realize how pointless a life without transcendent experience is. Non-drug users usually make the same "stupid" argument about you. It doesn't help that you wrapped your argument up in what can only be compared to a sort of religious context. It's very similar to "like isn't worth living without god". How can you tell others what makes their life pointless? | ||
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VPCursed
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:02 naggerNZ wrote: I smoke weed, and use hallucinogenics/amphetamines. I have so many deep character flaws to begin with, that I don't see why I should be worried about smoking some weed and tripping on a weekend. Anyone who tells you that they're too self-aware or emotionally secure to use drugs is lying. We all need ways to deal with the constant barrage of cognitive dissonance that people lucky enough to not be born as a starving African corpse have to deal with. For some people it's drugs, for others it's alcohol, or self-harm, or suicide. Those who don't self medicate are usually too stupid to realize how pointless a life without transcendent experience is. Thanks, I got a good laugh from that. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote: And yet their are hundreds of thousands of people who can drink every day or smoke put every day and function just fine in society. Just because your friends fucked up doesn't mean it was all the drugs fault. Why do you just assume its a coping method? Lots of people do it simply because they enjoy it! Some people like to spend their spare time playing sports, some video games and other like to drink or smoke? Why hold it against them? "Why hold it against them?" Because drugs can make people do fucked up things, they can make you abusive, emotionally or physically, or make you lazy or stupid. Yeah there are tons of people that 'function just fine' in society, but Alay said, "I've seen drug use and abuse do nothing but hurt the people around me." How could you not hold drug use against people?? Doing something (drug/alcohol) that is considered wrong by many people, and many governments for fun does not make it okay to do. Your intentions can be to have fun, but the reality is that it damages you and those around you. "Yeah, my parents were alcoholics, but I don't hold it against them, even though it 'did nothing but hurt the people around me' because they just did it to cope and/or have fun." That's what you sound like. And spending your spare time on sports or games is quite different than spending your time smoking or drinking. Obviously there is always potential for bad things to happen no matter how you spend your spare time, but the absolute truth is that smoking and drinking fucking kill you gradually. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:59 dupshflayh wrote: So judging someone for taking Benzodiazepines is OK. Let's say they didn't buy them on the black market and have a prescription for severe social anxiety. Is it still ok? See, there's plenty of uses for most of the things you normally call drugs. It's a way to wide description, as simply "drugs" implies pretty much anything that can alter your consciousness to any degree. Coffee is a drug(although not nearly as potent as say amphetamines), yet you judge no one for using it, do you? Though its not written in the op, I assume everyone understands what types of "drugs" the op means. Its pretty obvious that we are talking about illegal drugs. I guess you could take this broad view on the topic, but its really plainly obvious where we draw the line. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:02 naggerNZ wrote: Those who don't self medicate are usually too stupid to realize how pointless a life without transcendent experience is. Transcendent experiences do not have to come about via drugs, my friend. | ||
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brokor
Greece235 Posts
however i despise fat people. i will not suffer the company of a fat person however "funny" or enjoyable and lovable he may be. thankfully noone in my immediate family is fat, and ofcourse none of my friends. likewise, i enjoy a nice joint every now and then with some company ( like once a week, sometimes much less). however i will never talk with a junkie on the street (there are loads of them in athens) nor will i condone on a friend taking the leap to drug abuse. neither will i put myself into situations where drug abuse takes place. my sister is an artist and naturally lots of her friends are cokeheads. i have distanced myself from her group of friends just because of that. It is just a distinction of use versus abuse. addiction and abuse are signs of weak character and generally i avoid this type of people. i keep an open mind on smoking since i dont smoke myself and all my male role models smoke so can't help but sympathise. edit: i wanted to clarify that although it might be "prejudice" on my part (you americans pop this word everywhere damn you and your political correctness :D ) it has nothing to do with the illegality of drugs. it is only about how far the person goes. the day i see my friend do anything harmful/degrading to score some nice skunk weed i am gonna quit drugs and hanging out with him. not because it is illegal, but because without our dignity we are nothing. | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:02 Chargelot wrote: Yes, every action taken can be called "good" or "bad" for different reasons. If a man kills me, that's wrong. If a man kills me, and that action saves the lives of 5 other people, that's not wrong. It's why its called "abuse". It's not THC "abuse" if its prescribed for end-stage cancer analgesia. It's abuse if you're taking it solely because you like the feeling. Sex not for the purpose of reproduction is abuse, because you're only doing it because you like the feeling. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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F1rstAssau1t
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