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The president of the US has smoked weed. I really don't understand how people can keep talking about limited options as a result of weed.
Smoke weed and the best you can hope for is being president of the US? Ooh the horror.
You answered for me, past tense "has" as with my experience I would assume if he had not stopped he would not be president however since he did he was able to bring out his full potential.
Also I can make a one off argument too, get a group of one million normal people use Marijuana with them regularly for the next five years and see if one person in the group becomes president if they don't do I win?
I never said use Marijuana and your doomed I said use it and you will not reach the level you could have, maybe my experience of a few dozen people is incorrect though if in ten years a massive study is released and says using it benefits you greatly if you eat crinkle cut potato chips while smoking then that's fine lets all do it and be better, however Marijuana by itself right now lowers the level person a person could have reached in my opinion.
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On October 17 2011 11:22 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This comes from a little personal realization of mine, and I'm wondering what you fine people of TL think about it. Is being uncomfortable around people who use drugs just because they use drugs just as bad as racism or sexism?
It might have been said before, but I just wanted to respond to this singular point: You're born with a race and sex. You however are not born with drug use.
It is the choice to use drugs or not that creates a distinction between unfair discrimination, and fair discrimination.
If you decide to do drugs, you are responsible for your decision -whatever this entails.
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On October 17 2011 17:51 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Drug user are criminals. The law discriminates against them for a reason and so shall I.
Drugs are bad mmmkay
If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. – Thomas Jefferson
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On October 17 2011 11:34 Antoine wrote:
people don't choose to be black or female.
they choose to use drugs/smoke/drink etc
this is the critical difference.
to address your above post, at some point the person made the choice to start.
where does homosexuality fall under?
is it okay to think negative of a person if you find out they are homosexual?
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On October 17 2011 18:10 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 11:34 Antoine wrote:
people don't choose to be black or female.
they choose to use drugs/smoke/drink etc
this is the critical difference.
to address your above post, at some point the person made the choice to start. where does homosexuality fall under? is it okay to think negative of a person if you find out they are homosexual?
People don't choose to be attracted to the same gender, they just are attracted to the same gender.
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On October 17 2011 18:02 VonDarkmore wrote:
Marijuana by itself right now lowers the level person a person could have reached in my opinion.
So does everything that isn't working seriously for your career or cultivating yourself. Video games are obviously a good example, and this is why a lot of non-gamers have low opinions of gamers. Are you saying they're right then ? That because the hundreds of hours all of us invested in games instead of studying, we're worth less than the ones who didn't ?
Or would that be just a harmless way of happily losing time... ?
Edit for you, same poster :
"People don't choose to be attracted to the same gender, they just are attracted to the same gender."
People don't choose to be attracted to drugs haha. Homosexuals make the choice of fulfilling their desires, such as drug users. In religion, an homosexual is condemned because he chose to act, not because of these desires that are just a test from God  So you accept the homosexual's "unnatural" choice", but not the drug user's "unnatural" choice. Must be nice being politically correct rather than think deeply by yourself...
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What is a drug ? i don't discriminate ppl for drinking coffee, coca-cola or eating chocolate all of which are more physically addicting then most legally labelled drugs.
'drugs' is a meaningless arbitrary distinction between chemicals. It's a retarded distinction at that.
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Well I'll say what people do to their own bodies is up to them. But there are certain drugs, some call them "Hard Drugs' which under the influence of people can harm others.( I am tempted to include alcohol with the hard drugs sometimes when i walk past the local college campus) Hard drugs which cause people to have "out of body/mind" experiences are very dangerous and I would never encourage or understand the use of them, so I won't try too. But there is a huge difference between someone who has smoked pot, and someone who has a 100$ a day habit and habitually abuses any drug, designer prescription drugs included. I can see why someone would want to have a couple drinks of alcohol or puffs of a cigarette, but I don't see ANY positive rationale behind, oh i'm gonna try some heroin or Meth, there is no road that dangerous drugs will lead you down that will have a positive affect on your life.
However I feel there is a very dangerous trend in today's society(and this thread) of, grouping drugs into certain groups. ie: Soft drugs,(marijuana, alcohol, caffeine, tobaaco), Party Drugs(ecstasy, mushrooms etc) and the "Hard Drugs"(cocaine heroin lsd meth etc.) I feel this is a very dangerous way of classifying things and is very hard for younger minds to comprehend fully. Say a 16 year old, who has parents who smoke cigarettes, and he/she happens to try a cigarette and learns how the tobacco affects him/her. That same kid while obviously understanding that Alcohol is not the same thing as tobacco, has been "programmed" for lack of a better word, to associate tobacco in a similar drug tier as alcohol, marijuana, or other over-the-counter drugs. If this kid's experience with the cigarette was "oh, hey that's not so bad" imo, its logical that they would also think "Oh tobacco is not as bad as I've been told, Maybe (insert other drugs in the same tier here) isn't so bad either." Which can end up being a never ending cycle for certain people until they reach who knows what levels of drug. This classification system while it might work for adults and the Judicial system, I feel it is a dangerous way to approach the subject with kids, and something that should be phased out of our modern psyche, knowledge about each individual drug/substance needs to grow instead of being hidden or taboo in society.
One thing that really disappoints me with all of our modern technology and medicine, There are still no clear warnings to the public about what the serious possible affects of ALL THINGS people consume can be. As the post above me stated, everything is just a Chemical or a combination of chemicals, these chemicals are taken into our bodies and produce a reaction from our brain. Personally I see no difference in a person who drinks 3-4 cups of coffee a day to keep going, and someone who has 3-4 drinks of alcohol or smokes some marijuana everyday. They all negatively affect your health and an addiction is an addiction. Even things that don't negatively affect your physical health can be addictive just the same and affect you negatively in other ways. Yes there is a sticker on packs of cigarettes that tells me I am about to die of cancer, but there is no label on the wrapper of a Mcdonald's Big mac that I am x% more likely to become obese, or die of a heart attack by consuming this product. Hell I know people(a person to be exact) who works out at the gym 7 days a week twice a day and have completely lost all premise of what it is to be human. If your going to coddle the public and tell them whats bad and whats good, it's better to warn of other serious harmful substances/products. I'm sick of seeing all these television Lawyers telling me to "Call Now!!" if you took this pill and now are dying of some strange disease, it's absolutely ridiculous.(The people who take all these crazy diet pills or get botox etc is an addiction all it's own, some more dangerous than any drug that can be bought on the black market, but that's for another thread)
On another note, I'd like to put a persistent myth to bed, as I feel it's very unfair to generalize so wildly on a very deep subject matter. Just because someone smoked some weed doesn't mean, OMG you will never reach your full potential or you will be a stoner for life and people who drink a lot will get fat and eat mcdonalds forever and have a shitty job for the rest of their life. To me it sounds like a weak minds reaction to a specific case. Do some people smoke weed and become lazy stereotypical stoners? yes, Do ALL of them? no, Do some people smoke weed and become superstar musicians or artists? yes, Is it solely because they smoked some weed? no, Do some people drink too much and get liver cancer? Yes, do some people get liver cancer without ever drinking alcohol? yes! The subject of drug use even today in 2011 is not one of absolutes and every individuals experiences with them will differ. I would be willing to bet any amount of money or whatever property you find valuable, that 99.9% of these cases you see of a depressed person abusing a drug to cover up an emotion, is not due to their use of a drug, but because of other factors in their life that a Mental Health Professional could help them through. the problem is the stigma in today's society not just the drugs. For every known case of someone going down the wrong path with a drug, there is an unknown case of someone you don't know who has used a drug but not abused it and lived a perfectly happy and fulfilled life.
The ideal of, oh you should get 4.0 gpa in high school and, go to an ivy league university, marry your beautiful High School sweetheart at 25 and have kids at 30, become rich and successful, is a modern mystique and a side effect of the Middle Class. In the end you have to figure out what makes you happy, and what do you enjoy in life. I know plenty of people who work "shitty" jobs and don't have any money and never went to college that are perfectly happy. And I know plenty of "successful" graduate students who are out of their mind with stress and have lost all knowledge of what it feels like to be genuinely "happy". Who are you as a human being to say what someone else's potential is, and what it is not. Your made up ideal of what other people should do with their lives is a dangerous way to look at society and is why we don't live in Monarchies/Dictatorships anymore(for the most part lol) Shame on you.
So to op's question, and to end my ramblings, I choose other. I'm no saint, I judge people incorrectly all the time, but I'm always willing to look at someone by their actions or words, rather than by something they choose to do in their free time, or something they choose to put into their body. "People are strange, when your a stranger."
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On October 17 2011 18:17 Nasradime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 18:02 VonDarkmore wrote:
Marijuana by itself right now lowers the level person a person could have reached in my opinion. So does everything that isn't working seriously for your career or cultivating yourself. Video games are obviously a good example, and this is why a lot of non-gamers have low opinions of gamers. Are you saying they're right then ? That because the hundreds of hours all of us invested in games instead of studying, we're worth less than the ones who didn't ? Or would that be just a harmless way of happily losing time... ?
Using as a premise that the best people in life are those who give everything toward achieving all they can possibly achieve, then yes video games are bad. I believe that premise is false.
Using as a premise that a good life is a balanced life than marijuana can be part of a balanced lifestlye if used rarely.
People who are balanced can't achieve greatness and people who achieve greatness are unhappy. Once you achieve greatness, once you are better at something than anyone else, then what are you left with?
It's impossible for us to know what the 'goal' of life is, but my opinion is that the 'goal' of life is to live and be happy.
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Personally my brother has been addicted to meth twice (meaning he relapsed after a few years the first time he went clean) and almost had life in prison and was in a gang. I used to smoke weed and drink with my buddies in 7th/8th grade but quit midway through 9th grade because I realized there was no reason for it.
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Yeah...I've used tylenol once in a while....
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GeneticToss, I don't get you. To start with, I added an extra paragraph to my previous post if you didn't see..
Now, my problem : you say you think lower of drug users because they don't achieve all they could have achieved; and then you say the important thing in life is more happiness than achievement.
Please decide ! Unless you think happy people who happen to start doing drugs become increasingly unhappy ? I never saw anybody like this... And I know a LOT of them.
(edit: mostly because people heavily drug-addicted are generally ones who can't feel happy otherwise... Then in your own opinion drugs would the best way of living for them ^^ )
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People are free to do whatever they want but I just have no respect for people who chose to ruin themselves with (hard) drugs.
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On October 17 2011 18:34 Nasradime wrote:
GeneticToss, I don't get you. To start with, I added an extra paragraph to my previous post if you didn't see..
Now, my problem : you say you think lower of drug users because they don't achieve all they could have achieved; and then you say the important thing in life is more happiness than achievement.
Please decide ! Unless you think happy people who happen to start doing drugs become increasingly unhappy ? I never saw anybody like this... And I know a LOT of them.
Hmm well I think life is about being happy. I think that being happy comes from being balanced. I think that smoking once in a while can be a part of a balanced life. If you feel a need to smoke though, then I think that is when it becomes a problem.
As for the homosexuality thing I think we better just drop that part of the debate because this is not what this thread is about.
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Depends on the drug.
Cocaine or heroine? Thats bullshit, dont use it.
Marijuana or mushrooms? Dont care, its not harmful in any way.
Also OP can you add one more poll please? How about alcohol, the 5th most dangerous drug in the world, whats peoples opinion on alcohol? Looking at the current polls tells me either TL is filled with hypocrites OR filled with people who wouldn't touch a drop of aclohol.
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Personally if you take any drugs i am going to think less of you. Although i know plenty of people who smoke pot and i don't have any problem with that if its recreational and not stoned all day. Anything harder then that usage or drug wise, i don't want to know you at all. You are most likely a dead beat liar.
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On October 17 2011 18:48 Mojar wrote:
Personally if you take any drugs i am going to think less of you. Although i know plenty of people who smoke pot and i don't have any problem with that if its recreational and not stoned all day. Anything harder then that usage or drug wise, i don't want to know you at all. You are most likely a dead beat liar.
I assume none of your friends drink alcohol?
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On October 17 2011 18:44 Snusdosa wrote:
Depends on the drug.
Cocaine or heroine? Thats bullshit, dont use it.
Marijuana or mushrooms? Dont care, its not harmful in any way.
Also OP can you add one more poll please? How about alcohol, the 5th most dangerous drug in the world, whats peoples opinion on alcohol? Looking at the current polls tells me either TL is filled with hypocrites OR filled with people who wouldn't touch a drop of aclohol.
5th? Where does that number come from ? I'd say it's 2nd next to heroin.
TL is filled with hypocrites...
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5th? Where does that number come from ? I'd say it's 2nd next to heroin.
TL is filled with hypocrites...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/02/david-nutt-dangerous-drug-list
It's the biggest study on drugs in the UK yet, David Nutt - who after the report concluded that the only logical thing to do would be to legalize marijuana considering alcohol being legal despite the giantic health issues associated with it - got fired after the study was published.
People are really dumb, they're basing their opinion on things on what their governments tell them, they dont think for themselves. "But pot is illegal there must be a reason for that herp derp", yeah, reason being the ones you've elected to run your country is a bunch of tards.
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I see a lot f people saying that drug use is a choice, thus discrimination against them is ok.
Is this necessarily true? I for one am convinced we are indeed not "free" in some sense of the word. We are born different, and those inherent differences makes us chose differently put in the same situation. We have created society as it is now, and since it is nowadays omnipresent, it can not be avoided, and thus it WILL affect everyone to an extent that is impossible to comprehend.
(It might feel as if I stray off the point here, bare with me tho!  )
Who would I be if me, the same person, was born in the stone age? Certainly I would be quite different, aside from what I would do to survive etc. That makes us collectively responsible for each individual that is born in our society. Our society is in many ways better than it's predecessors, but it's FAR from perfect, and as it's citizens it's our responsibility to improve the system so that tomorrows people may have a better world.
As a result, it's universally wrong to judge people based on how they turned out. They would've been different if our world looked different, and casting them out will simply cause our system to converge to some point close to where it is now (but a more extreme one, since it doesn't consider it's flaws). So I'd say: Unless you are convinced our system is near perfection - do not judge.
This of course is quite philosophical, but I think it's true, and important to remember.
As for what I think of the OP's situation.. My experience with pot and pot heads is that it's important to keep the intake down a little bit. It's too easy if you have easy access to drugs, to use them casually, like, I'm bored -> smoke pot. This makes you do less things that gives you natural happiness, so it will probably make you depressed in the long run.
She might need a little help to get there, but I think she might be happier if she smoked less frequently, like once a week tops.
Hope it helped 
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