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On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it
You ever meet a meth addict? You ever judge them for being a junky? You think you need to try meth before you have the right?
What about whores? Do you need to be a whore before you can look at one and be like 'Ehhh'.
Of fucking course not.
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On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it
Have you ever shot a man and watch him die?
It's okay if he's got no life, right? Like a terminal cancer person.
How do you know killing people is bad? We're all going to die anyway.
Have you murdered anyone yet? Open your mind and try something before you judge it.
I can continue like this with many more examples, how about gay bondage sex? Many men try it, even when they're happily married, have kids and well adjusted lives. You can't judge it till you try it.
This is not about drugs, moron. GTFO
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On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it
Different people have different susceptibilities to drug addiction. Not everyone can simply shake the psychological craving that comes after trying once.
I don't know why would you even suggest to him to try any drug without first specifying ANY possible side effects that might occur during the first consumption.
I'm curious, but which particular drug is wrongly portrayed by the media to be *bad*?
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On October 17 2011 12:44 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 12:40 Romance_us wrote:On October 17 2011 12:39 Chargelot wrote:On October 17 2011 12:34 Romance_us wrote:On October 17 2011 12:29 Greentellon wrote:
I know a person who is heavily alcoholic. Alcohol has been compared several times to the mildest of drugs and I have seen from front row how acholos has ruined his brain and life. Perhaps it's not all alcohols fault, but every time I see him wasted, stumbling around there unable to make a coherent thought, I pity him. I can't feel anything but pity towards him.
If I hear you mention drugs I may forgive you if you don't push the issue further, but if you keep at it or you actually whip some out, I will call the cops on the spot. Oh well, maybe I will leave the room/house first. Is that prejudice? No, it's me being smart. If you want to ruin your brain and health, go ahead. But don't drag me into your insanity. Dude, it's you being smart? HAHAHAHA. No. It's you having an irrational (and impulsive) reaction based on complete ignorance. That's quite humorous though I mean just to think you'd call the cops on somebody and negatively affect their life for a personal choice they made that does not directly nor indirectly affect yours just seems a little crazy In America, illegal drugs are illegal. It's insane, I know. But if you flaunt your drug use, you're probably going to jail, one way or another. Sorry that you don't like that. But that's the way it works. Something about crimes being prosecutable in the court of law. who said anything about morals being related to laws? please go away In America, when people break the law, we have this thing we do which we refer to as "calling the police". Equally as insane as my former post. Anyways, the police are readily available, and will report to the location you give them in very little time. They then proceed to arrest the criminals. Is it stupid to call the police when someone is throwing their drug use in your face? Maybe on your island. But here, we call that normal.
who said anything about morals being related to laws? please go away
also your attempt to condescend while simultaneously being unintelligent is amusing
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Define drug ?
Alcohol is a drug, im pretty much sure most of the ppl who voted "no" drink it.
Tabaco is also a drug and im pretty sure that it doesn't affect you in any way other then causing you problems with your lungs and making you fell bad if you haven't smoked it in a while
Marijuana is considered a drug.... is it bad ? most likely not
What about speed, LSD or other... "middle" drugs in terms of effects, is this when you start counting drugs as "drugs" ? Or is it only when you get to shit like heroin ?
If someone is doing heroin on a regular basis then it might affect my option of him negatively but if someone is drinking/smoking or if he did LSD few times at parties or just to " see how it is " then most likely not
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I don't think most people should do drugs past alcohol or marijuana, but ecstasy had a mind blowing positive effect on my life. It depends on the person that uses it and where they are emotionally and intellectually, but I think it's a life experience you have to do if you can handle it. Being able to see new perspectives because of drugs has actually been a great thing for me.
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On October 17 2011 15:12 Aterons_toss wrote:
Define drug ?
Alcohol is a drug, im pretty much sure most of the ppl who voted "no" drink it.
Tabaco is also a drug and im pretty sure that it doesn't affect you in any way other then causing you problems with your lungs and making you fell bad if you haven't smoked it in a while
Marijuana is considered a drug.... is it bad ? most likely not
What about speed, LSD or other... "middle" drugs in terms of effects, is this when you start counting drugs as "drugs" ? Or is it only when you get to shit like heroin ?
If someone is doing heroin on a regular basis then it might affect my option of him negatively but if someone is drinking/smoking or if he did LSD few times at parties or just to " see how it is " then most likely not
Same thinking process for me.
Except that an heroinoman is more of someone in need of help, imo, like a sick person.
Portugal approach powa. Cuz they're not high on hero after regular use, they just need it in order to stay "normal"...
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On October 17 2011 15:06 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it Have you ever shot a man and watch him die? It's okay if he's got no life, right? Like a terminal cancer person. How do you know killing people is bad? We're all going to die anyway. Have you murdered anyone yet? Open your mind and try something before you judge it. I can continue like this with many more examples, how about gay bondage sex? Many men try it, even when they're happily married, have kids and well adjusted lives. You can't judge it till you try it. This is not about drugs, moron. GTFO
Ok you really need to calm down, Have you had a bad experience with a drug addict in the past?
Yes, I have met 2 meth addicts, I didn't judge them for it, but I do feel abit sorry for them and I think they could have made better decisions in their lives but who am I to tell them what to do?They didn't hurt me in any way and I had no reason to hate them.
And why are you comparing killing someone with taking drugs? Even a 4 year old child knows the consequences of killing a person, and we know that that is objectively a wrong thing to do.
You don't know the consequences of taking a drug until you've tried it. I used to smoke weed and I enjoyed it for a while, until I stopped enjoying it so I stopped smoking it, although I still do occasionally.
You are another of these people in this thread who are lumping all drugs into one category and proclaiming that they are all evil. Most people in jail in the US are in there for maijuana possession, which is a victimless crime. I think you just have a stigma in your mind against people who break the law, no matter what that law may be
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I would not want to be around someone who uses "hard" drugs like meth or crack simply because of their drug use because I feel that there is a significant statistical relationship between the use of these drugs and violent, criminal, or unpredictable behavior, and I believe that this is a causal relationship in which the drug use is the actual reason for the violent behavior because of the drugs affecting their mind.
As for someone who uses drugs such as alchohol or pot in moderate amounts (not an alchoholic or pothead), I would be fine with being around them and not think less of them as a person since I don't think that type of drug use would make them more likely to be a "bad" person.
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On October 17 2011 15:07 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it Different people have different susceptibilities to drug addiction. Not everyone can simply shake the psychological craving that comes after trying once. I don't know why would you even suggest to him to try any drug without first specifying ANY possible side effects that might occur during the first consumption. I'm curious, but which particular drug is wrongly portrayed by the media to be *bad*?
I was talking about marijuana, I dont know why, but I just assumed that that was what he was talking about. And yes, I would recommend marijuana to everyone, trying it once has no negative effects and for nearly all people who try it, they have an amazing, pleasant, different experience.
As for the drugs wrongly portrayed by the media; I think marijuana, and to a lesser extent psychedelics eg/ LSD, mushrooms, cactus.
I'm not saying these drugs have NO negative effects, but that their very small negative effects are greatly exaggerated by the media.
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On October 17 2011 15:27 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 15:07 Oktyabr wrote:On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it Different people have different susceptibilities to drug addiction. Not everyone can simply shake the psychological craving that comes after trying once. I don't know why would you even suggest to him to try any drug without first specifying ANY possible side effects that might occur during the first consumption. I'm curious, but which particular drug is wrongly portrayed by the media to be *bad*? I was talking about marijuana, I dont know why, but I just assumed that that was what he was talking about. And yes, I would recommend marijuana to everyone, trying it once has no negative effects and for nearly all people who try it, they have an amazing, pleasant, different experience. As for the drugs wrongly portrayed by the media; I think marijuana, and to a lesser extent psychedelics eg/ LSD, mushrooms, cactus. I'm not saying these drugs have NO negative effects, but that their very small negative effects are greatly exaggerated by the media.
Read my post at the bottom of the last page plz. I've literally born witness to people who put their lives on hold until they get more pot when they run out. I've also born witness to people being rageapes when they can't replenish.
If people never use it once, they won't get addicted. And, people who are susceptible to addictions develop a yearning to start to loathe the feeling of being sober, just like my little brother. To him, there always has to be a compromise. If I want him to clean his piss up so he can get a job and stop needing me to support him (he's 23), then I have to be cool with him drinking instead, cuz sober is BAAAAAAD. Even though he scrounges the money for alcohol by rounding up cans and stuff that cumulatively over the last year could've saved me from having to hand rent in late on a damn-near consistent basis.
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It is prejudice in some circumstances, such as when a person's drug use is controlled and does not negatively effect the user in any way. In general, blanket statements like "illegal drug users have decreased mental/thought capacity" are unfair. Some drug users have low mental/thought capacity, but the same could be said for people who don't use drugs and vice versa.
I think the prejudice against illegal drug use is a social construct used to control people's freedoms. It's generally held by people who have never even tried drugs, or people who have tried them but were bad at using them. There's no reason for a few bad apples who can't handle drug intake to remove other people's basic human right of control over your own body.
I feel like the argument from the other side is based on emotion, when someone's friend overdosed or alcoholic/drug addicted family member has their personality drained by the positive and negative effects of the drugs. Well guess what, I also had a friend once who got heavily addicted to (non-illegal) drugs to the point that it almost ruined his life before he finally got sober, in fact if he didn't get sober when he did he might have died. That sucked, but the fact of the matter is, people who are bad at doing drugs shouldn't do them. If they do them and get addicted, it should be up to them and/or their family to get official medical treatment for their addiction. The law shouldn't have any say in the matter.
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On October 17 2011 15:37 Meta wrote:
It is prejudice in some circumstances, such as when a person's drug use is controlled and does not negatively effect the user in any way. In general, blanket statements like "illegal drug users have decreased mental/thought capacity" is unfair. Some drug users have low mental/thought capacity, but the same could be said for people who don't use drugs and vice versa.
I think the prejudice against illegal drug use is a social construct used to control people's freedoms. It's generally held by people who have never even tried drugs, or people who have tried them but were bad at using them. There's no reason for a few bad apples who can't handle drug intake to remove other people's basic human right of control over your own body.
I feel like the argument from the other side is based on emotion, when someone's friend overdosed or alcoholic/drug addicted family member has their personality drained by the positive and negative effects of the drugs. Well guess what, I also had a friend once who got heavily addicted to (non-illegal) drugs to the point that it almost ruined his life before he finally got sober, in fact if he didn't get sober when he did he might have died. That sucked, but the fact of the matter is, people who are bad at doing drugs shouldn't do them. If they do them and get addicted, it should be up to them and/or their family to get official medical treatment for their addiction. The law shouldn't have any say in the matter.
What about people that have lived and worked with drug/alcohol addicts their entire lives, watching their friends and loved ones flounder at life for year after year, making little compromises here and there in every other facet of their life to fit those chemicals in?
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On October 17 2011 15:34 AutomatonOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 15:27 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 15:07 Oktyabr wrote:On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it Different people have different susceptibilities to drug addiction. Not everyone can simply shake the psychological craving that comes after trying once. I don't know why would you even suggest to him to try any drug without first specifying ANY possible side effects that might occur during the first consumption. I'm curious, but which particular drug is wrongly portrayed by the media to be *bad*? I was talking about marijuana, I dont know why, but I just assumed that that was what he was talking about. And yes, I would recommend marijuana to everyone, trying it once has no negative effects and for nearly all people who try it, they have an amazing, pleasant, different experience. As for the drugs wrongly portrayed by the media; I think marijuana, and to a lesser extent psychedelics eg/ LSD, mushrooms, cactus. I'm not saying these drugs have NO negative effects, but that their very small negative effects are greatly exaggerated by the media. Read my post at the bottom of the last page plz. I've literally born witness to people who put their lives on hold until they get more pot when they run out. I've also born witness to people being rageapes when they can't replenish. If people never use it once, they won't get addicted. And, people who are susceptible to addictions develop a yearning to start to loathe the feeling of being sober, just like my little brother. To him, there always has to be a compromise. If I want him to clean his piss up so he can get a job and stop needing me to support him (he's 23), then I have to be cool with him drinking instead, cuz sober is BAAAAAAD. Even though he scrounges the money for alcohol by rounding up cans and stuff that cumulatively over the last year could've saved me from having to hand rent in late on a damn-near consistent basis.
Ok well I've never EVER seen anyone react that way to Marijuana. And I know alot of stoners. That must be a really rare addiction.
Are you lumping alcohol in with all these other addictive drugs, the consumers of which you will pre judge? I guarantee that most of TL has tried alcohol and have not degenrated into alcoholics. Shame about your brother though, I hope he gets clean.
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Remember that a fairly large portion people who are against these drugs haven't tried them. Its like acid, most people have a very very different perception of it before and after. It is often regarded as an almost rite of passage because of how indescribable it is to someone who hasn't tried.
But drugs like heroin crack meth etc are just messed up and are extremely addicitive, harmful to your body, and are OD-able.
Which brings me to this:
Saying that people who smoke marijuana can be all generally thrown into one group of "less adequate people" is just as stupid as it sounds. Marijuana is far more harmless than the socially acceptable drugs that you think are OK. Alcohol is quite literally a poison, I've seen many men die too young to alcohol addictions. I've seen some long term marijuana users, and I can tell you that they are not only very alive, but they are alot less crazy than you make them out to be. Some of the smartest and most capable people I know have been smoking pot on the side for years. Its just not socially accepted here in the US, you really need to visit places like Europe or smoke it regularly to really access a paradigm shift for yourself.
Get educated about drugs before you discuss these matters, it helps to not dilute the conversation by saying that drugs are inherently bad
let me reiterate: drugs like meth, crack, heroin, ketamine, etc. are very very bad for you and deserve their harsh treatment, this post was in regards to judging people who use lighter psychedelics and cannabis
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On October 17 2011 15:40 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 15:34 AutomatonOmega wrote:On October 17 2011 15:27 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 15:07 Oktyabr wrote:On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it Different people have different susceptibilities to drug addiction. Not everyone can simply shake the psychological craving that comes after trying once. I don't know why would you even suggest to him to try any drug without first specifying ANY possible side effects that might occur during the first consumption. I'm curious, but which particular drug is wrongly portrayed by the media to be *bad*? I was talking about marijuana, I dont know why, but I just assumed that that was what he was talking about. And yes, I would recommend marijuana to everyone, trying it once has no negative effects and for nearly all people who try it, they have an amazing, pleasant, different experience. As for the drugs wrongly portrayed by the media; I think marijuana, and to a lesser extent psychedelics eg/ LSD, mushrooms, cactus. I'm not saying these drugs have NO negative effects, but that their very small negative effects are greatly exaggerated by the media. Read my post at the bottom of the last page plz. I've literally born witness to people who put their lives on hold until they get more pot when they run out. I've also born witness to people being rageapes when they can't replenish. If people never use it once, they won't get addicted. And, people who are susceptible to addictions develop a yearning to start to loathe the feeling of being sober, just like my little brother. To him, there always has to be a compromise. If I want him to clean his piss up so he can get a job and stop needing me to support him (he's 23), then I have to be cool with him drinking instead, cuz sober is BAAAAAAD. Even though he scrounges the money for alcohol by rounding up cans and stuff that cumulatively over the last year could've saved me from having to hand rent in late on a damn-near consistent basis. Ok well I've never EVER seen anyone react that way to Marijuana. And I know alot of stoners. That must be a really rare addiction. Are you lumping alcohol in with all these other addictive drugs, the consumers of which you will pre judge? I guarantee that most of TL has tried alcohol and have not degenrated into alcoholics. Shame about your brother though, I hope he gets clean.
Keep in mind, I do happen to be the only lifelong sober member of my entire extended family, the worst thing I've ever been addicted to is caffeine and arguably video games (different subject matter entirely). So I guess you could say I'm biased as someone who, being totally sober, has to watch everyone I love fuck up their lives in little subtle incremental ways that add up over time. You can say that you personally have never seen any of these negatives manifest, but I'd argue it's cuz you weren't looking for them, cuz you were high. :p
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On October 17 2011 15:20 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 15:06 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:57 oldgregg wrote:On October 17 2011 14:48 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On October 17 2011 14:38 Bandino wrote:
I used to be on of those people who judge drug users immediately. I thought all of them were fuck ups and that they were going no where in life. Then one time one of my best friends (so i guess peer pressure) said to me "I don't know why you judge us if you never experience it" so I went for it and what do you know, it'snot that big of a deal. If you let drugs define your life then ya, I understand a prejudice, but those who do it once in a while (like fast food) they can definitively be the same as people who don't do anything, or even better. That... Is the most retarded argument ever used... And I am sad to say that it works... Because that argument means only murderers and crime bosses can try and convict each other. Somehow I don't see that working out too well for society in general. But what do I know, I haven't done <insert activity here>, so I can't judge them!!!" By the way, have you tried non-consensual bondage sex yet with a stranger of the same gender yet? No, then I guess you can't be a juror then!!! *facepalm* You are making the assumption that 'all drugs are bad mkay' because we are constantly told by the media that they are. How do you know that all drugs are bad? Have you ever tried any drug? Open your mind and try something before you judge it Have you ever shot a man and watch him die? It's okay if he's got no life, right? Like a terminal cancer person. How do you know killing people is bad? We're all going to die anyway. Have you murdered anyone yet? Open your mind and try something before you judge it. I can continue like this with many more examples, how about gay bondage sex? Many men try it, even when they're happily married, have kids and well adjusted lives. You can't judge it till you try it. This is not about drugs, moron. GTFO Ok you really need to calm down, Have you had a bad experience with a drug addict in the past? Yes, I have met 2 meth addicts, I didn't judge them for it, but I do feel abit sorry for them and I think they could have made better decisions in their lives but who am I to tell them what to do?They didn't hurt me in any way and I had no reason to hate them. And why are you comparing killing someone with taking drugs? Even a 4 year old child knows the consequences of killing a person, and we know that that is objectively a wrong thing to do. You don't know the consequences of taking a drug until you've tried it. I used to smoke weed and I enjoyed it for a while, until I stopped enjoying it so I stopped smoking it, although I still do occasionally. You are another of these people in this thread who are lumping all drugs into one category and proclaiming that they are all evil. Most people in jail in the US are in there for maijuana possession, which is a victimless crime. I think you just have a stigma in your mind against people who break the law, no matter what that law may be
Just wanted to correct one mis-perception here, although your point still bears weight. Most people in jail for crimes in the usa are due to intoxication and/or drugs are in the high majority due to alcohol.
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On October 17 2011 15:39 AutomatonOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 15:37 Meta wrote:
It is prejudice in some circumstances, such as when a person's drug use is controlled and does not negatively effect the user in any way. In general, blanket statements like "illegal drug users have decreased mental/thought capacity" is unfair. Some drug users have low mental/thought capacity, but the same could be said for people who don't use drugs and vice versa.
I think the prejudice against illegal drug use is a social construct used to control people's freedoms. It's generally held by people who have never even tried drugs, or people who have tried them but were bad at using them. There's no reason for a few bad apples who can't handle drug intake to remove other people's basic human right of control over your own body.
I feel like the argument from the other side is based on emotion, when someone's friend overdosed or alcoholic/drug addicted family member has their personality drained by the positive and negative effects of the drugs. Well guess what, I also had a friend once who got heavily addicted to (non-illegal) drugs to the point that it almost ruined his life before he finally got sober, in fact if he didn't get sober when he did he might have died. That sucked, but the fact of the matter is, people who are bad at doing drugs shouldn't do them. If they do them and get addicted, it should be up to them and/or their family to get official medical treatment for their addiction. The law shouldn't have any say in the matter. What about people that have lived and worked with drug/alcohol addicts their entire lives, watching their friends and loved ones flounder at life for year after year, making little compromises here and there in every other facet of their life to fit those chemicals in?
I think what he is trying to argue is that you should look at each situation individually rather than having a blanket prejudice.
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People who you buy drugs from are quite like to commit other crimes (gangs can have an impressive armory O.o)
Medical bills if you end up ill because of the drug use (or drug use causes an accident ie drunk driving)
Second hand smoke
Emotions of those close to you (How would your mother feel about you hurting yourself?)
Loss of your own productivity
ect
Victim-less crime?
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