EPTRevenge of the sith review [spoilers here in] - Page 2
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B.GoD_AnGRY
Chile334 Posts
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baal
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4.Aiur
United States995 Posts
On May 19 2005 16:55 Excalibur_Z wrote: I actually thought it worked really well and made a lot of sense. I liked the fact that it was driven by a dream/vision that he was trying to overcome...but in the end, his turning to the Dark Side was what fulfilled the "prophecy". Nice.I felt that Anakin's fall to the dark side didn't make a whole lot of sense. We know he loves Padme, that much is clear. What didn't fit in was how he was entranced by Palpatine so easily. Anakin starts out respecting much of the Jedi code but then he kills Dooku after only some slight nudging by Palpatine. Not much of an internal struggle to start with, is it? Then he regrets doing it a little later thinking that lightens the impact, but of course it doesn't. And, I was into the Palpatine thing, too. Anakin had a lot of "issues" stemming from his youth, the death of his mother, etc. He had fear, insecurity, impatience...all of that from events BEFORE this movie. Palpatine had ALWAYS been there, subtely whipsering the things he wanted to hear into his ear. He was the leader of the Republic Anakin swore allegiance to. He trusted and respected him. When Dooku was kneeling helpless before him, surely revenge was also a motive (since Dooku was the one who took his hand, mocked him, etc. in the last movie). With a trusted "mentor" and leader's urging, it's not surprising at all that he gave in. It certainly didn't feel unbelievable to me. The pacing of the movie was a little off...too fast and rushed. So, I think it did play out on screen being a little fast (his decision to lop of his head)...but with the background laid out previously, I think it worked alright. As for Palpatine being Darth Sidious, that is another thing we already knew. What didn't make sense about that was how lustful for death he was, even in the beginning when he was taken captive. He talks all this mysterious stuff about the Dark Side in front of Anakin but Anakin doesn't even give it a second thought. His initial reaction when they were in the stadium should have been "wait how do you know so much about the Dark Side anyway?" Yes, it maybe it should have been more of a "red flag" to Anakin...but this WAS a man whom Anakin respected for wisdom who did seem to have some knowledge of Jedi art, etc. I'm not sure at this time in "galactic history" the ways of the Jedi were as secret as they were years later when there weren't dozens of Jedi's roaming about with a Temple in the middle of the main city. The fact that there might have been people with some knowledge of Jedi doings who weren't Jedi's isn't that far out of place, imo. It is pretty obvious that Anakin can see through Palpatine's lies about the Jedi trying to usurp power (because he pays no attention to that), he merely saves his life from Windu. But that doesn't mean he should all of a sudden start assassinating the viceroy and becoming his apprentice. That part was a WTF moment. I'm not sure Anakin really could see through much of anything. He felt confused about the Jedi. And, to be honest, the Jedi were portrayed as less than perfect in this movie (a fact that I liked). Palpatine, like any good evil dictator brainwasher, was a master at telling partial and half-truths. He fed into Anakin's confusion. And Mace walked a little over the line there as well (or at least that's the way Lucas made it out). His doubt, now reaching a peak, along with his panic over Padme did make it a choosing moment. And, Anakin didn't merely stop Mace, he lopped his hand off (Lucas seems to really like hand lopping) rendering him defenseless to Palpatine/Sidious. He obviously crossed the Point of No Return there, basically killing the Jedi leader. I think at that point, Anakin really snapped (I think his complete breaking occurred when he found out about Padme's death, but a significant "snap" happened here as well)...and what he did after that fit somewhat. He accepted at that point (striking down Mace) that the Jedi were his enemy and now he had a duty to perform...difficult as it might have been.The acting left much to be desired, of course. Hayden (that's Anakin right?) sucked as usual, but way way less than in Episode 2. That's an understatement. I thought he did pretty well in this movie. Hayden has much improved himself as an actor in the last few years. He was downright terrible in Ep. 2.But instead, and this leads up to the third annoying part, they had him AND Obi-Wan present for the birth of Luke and Leia. That was a little too much I thought. The final annoying part was when they had Darth Vader and Palpatine looking at the construction of the Death Star. Come on, man, that's a little excessive. I thought all the tie-ins to Episode 4 were really nice. It's quite impressive that he managed to recreate the feel of Episode 4 without making it feel dated. Episode 4 was released 28 years ago...in a special effect dominated movie, that's forever (and it makes me feel old since I remember going to see Episode 4 with my Dad right before my 4th birthday). I think he might even have spliced in the characters into an old clip from Ep. 4. Because Tarkin was there (although I don't think he said anything) and he didn't look like he aged in the last 28 years.I also liked the scene went Luke was handed over. The two suns setting was maybe a clip taken altogether (or recreated nicely) from Ep. 4. It was a nice nostalgic bone to throw to those of us who experienced Episode 4 in our youths. One of my biggest gripes about the movie was: why was General Grievous coughing all the time? Since when do droids cough? Because he wasn't a droid. He was a lifeform living inside a largely mechanical body (Palpatine preparing his technology for Vader?). You saw the little alien in the middle when Obi-wan ripped the plate off his midsection.But overall it was a great movie. Yes, it was very good. On par with the original 3, or at least close to it (I don't like picking favorites among the original 3). In my adult life, I've only been blown away by 3 movies in the theater. Saving Private Ryan, The Two Towers and now this. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On May 19 2005 16:55 Excalibur_Z wrote: The movie wasn't necessarily about what was going to happen, it was about how it was going to happen. If you take that philosophy, the movie was great. I take that viewpoint, and I still completely disagree with you. I was so let down by this.  | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On May 19 2005 04:51 Veg wrote: oh and btw... read the opening credits. I felt like i was reading something off the back of a kids cereal box.. =[ ROFL, so I wasn't the only one who noticed.  in the end ep6>ep5>ep4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ep2>ep3>>>>>>>>>ep1 ~_~ I agree 100% with that. | ||
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StimD
Norway738 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On May 19 2005 13:15 Zeller wrote: The lightsabre fights have changed .. the camera view is all close and the battles blurry. Just not as good as they are in the old ones The actual fight scenes in the original weren't that great because of the lightsabre fights, but because of the emotion that they carried. The first, old apprentice killing ex-master. The second, father and son battle each other in the old good vs evil way. The final battle is absolutely amazing because it's again father vs son, but this is the final time, and we see the good in Vader come out again, and not only does he save Luke, but also himself. | ||
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Raging.BuLL
Brazil101 Posts
But i thought that sucked. The movie was basically showing how many people can kick sidious ass. Well lets count it up... samuel jackson... yoda.. anakin.. hmm so he is basically a pussy who gets a whipping out of these guys.... the dark side sure is 'scary' eh? movie lacked a lot as usual.. better than 2 and 1 .. or maybe i should say less worse.. Seriously.. the fights scenes were not great.. like u saw the first 3 seconds of the fight.. then after that was a bunch of light going all around and then u saw the kill.. thats it lol but here is the fact of the matter: Lucas is ancient history... he did right on the old ones.. and is now too far behind on technology + writing + all other factors of a movie to make such a great thing as before.. sorry to say  anyways i would rate movie as a 5.5 out of 10. | ||
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MVP[eV]
United States270 Posts
On May 20 2005 10:05 Raging.BuLL wrote: You know... i agree that anakin converts to the dark side way too easily.. or better yet, way to fast. The ideas are coherent though... and i am sure the book must take a long ass time to convert, whereas in a movie you can't waste that time. But i thought that sucked. The movie was basically showing how many people can kick sidious ass. Well lets count it up... samuel jackson... yoda.. anakin.. hmm so he is basically a pussy who gets a whipping out of these guys.... the dark side sure is 'scary' eh? movie lacked a lot as usual.. better than 2 and 1 .. or maybe i should say less worse.. Seriously.. the fights scenes were not great.. like u saw the first 3 seconds of the fight.. then after that was a bunch of light going all around and then u saw the kill.. thats it lol but here is the fact of the matter: Lucas is ancient history... he did right on the old ones.. and is now too far behind on technology + writing + all other factors of a movie to make such a great thing as before.. sorry to say anyways i would rate movie as a 5.5 out of 10. Me sa Jar Jar Binks | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Cloning en masse like that ended after episode 3 until much much much later the the Thrawn series of books God im a star wars nerd | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On May 20 2005 13:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote: the books that go beyond the star wars movies are all lucas approved yes :D and are considered extensions of the story, great books might i add :D Are the movies based off the books? If not, George Lucas is really, really retarded for not looking at the Return of the Jedi script before making Episode I: The Phantom Menace. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
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artoflukas
Canada73 Posts
as a lot of people have stated before the motivation for anakin's allegiance to palpatine and journey to the darkside was very very weak. this was my biggest problem with the movie, that and the fact that lucas continued to butcher the image of yoda. he should have never used a lightsabre, the fight scenes (particularly episode 2 where he flipped around to house music) have ruined the austere image of wisdom and power that episode 5 created. | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
It was really not at all what I expected. Action scenes were okay, darth vader disappointing, love scenes disappointing, and fight scenes weren't that good. too much jumping, messed up time frame bad acting on hadyn's part too much moving, too much stuff happening, and way too many wide angle shots and it was really long and i felt the length because it wasn't any good =/ | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Greivous' dislike for Jedi also stems from personal pride- he's shown to be trained by Dooku in the cartoons (also mentioned) and he is quite proud of being able to kill Jedi- that's why he has so many lightsabers, from all the Jedi he has killed. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On May 20 2005 13:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote: the books that go beyond the star wars movies are all lucas approved yes :D and are considered extensions of the story, great books might i add :D Yep The books all started coming out roughly mid 90's, and all followed a continuous, interactive time line with each other, all starting with Timothy Zahn's Thrawn series, which was just AWESOME, and that sparked many other books, most of which were extremely well written (with like 2 exceptions), and begin immediately after Jedi (Truce at Bakura) and stretch upwards of 15+ years after Jedi (Coreillian Trilogy, second Thrawn series). The books chronicle life after Jedi for all the characters, and deal with how the Empire is broken up a bit, with the retaking of Coruscant, with the remnants of the empire becoming warlods and fighting with each other, with Han/Leia getting married + having kids, with Luke basically restarting the Jedi order... bleh, now I want to go read them all again, there are so fucking many though. But yeah, to reitterate, Lucas fucked up with these three prequels. The original 3 movies + the books are 98234283748234 times better. | ||
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