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On September 23 2011 16:20 Kudoku wrote:
A good explanation to this would be: The universe has always been expanding since day 1. This means, even thought it may be almost infinitly slight, the speed of light too has always been expanding. Like i said though, it would be extremely slight. For all we know it could be changing at
.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 km/s every single 5000 years. But the point is, it is indeed inevitable, the speed of light is changing. I honestly feel like CERN needs to redo their math on THAT before they assume they have found proof of denial of physics. Ahh, please keep bullshit theories out of here...
Unless you're a physicist specialized in a relevant field, please stop giving your own 'explanations'.
Anyway, can't wait to see what they have to say about this on the press conference.
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On September 23 2011 16:19 nam nam wrote:
That begs the question then, where are all the time travels from the future right now?!?!?
Who did you think Jaedong and Flash were? Do you really think such skills are possible without bionic upgrades?!
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On September 23 2011 04:43 askTeivospy wrote:
i'll wait until scientists scrutinize it.
if its said to be on the level then i'll wait until other papers come out and support the claim
That's really what they want- they WANT to be challenged at this point, because it means the entire model which we've basically been using since einstein won't have to be completely modified to accomodate this finding. My brother's a physics grad student and he was intrigued by the paper. Apparently this isn't the first time this has been noticed - in 2007 a similar finding was noticed but thrown out (well... not taken completely seriously) by its finders and others because the margin of error was too wide - in this case, the margin of error is on the order of 10 nanoseconds, and the speed allegedly measured is beating the speed of light by ~60 nanoseconds?
CERN reported that a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light. Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds, making the difference statistically significant.
And seriously, neutrinos have been this "but what do they DO" particle for a long time now... When you're treading in the unknown, finding out things about science that break our current model really isn't THAT strange when you really think about it. Still going to take confirmation, as that's what science is always about.
"they are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail."
Some physicists, including ones involved, have even said that it's entirely likely it's a fluke even though the checked & re-checked data says otherwise, because of how hard neutrinos are to track.
Even if it is found true... Einsteinian relativity won't be bunk - just like Newtonian physics isn't bunk. It will just have special cases (just as newtonian physics needs special cases)
HELL, Relativity doesn't even get along well with quantum mechanics still. Maybe we could be finding the first evidence of a more unifying theory? Who knows. For now, we're in the "Re-test hypothesis" phase, and will be for some time. Nobody's going to get conned into thinking this is legit before it's robustly re-tested and re-examined.
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Well there goes the only thing the people knew for sure about the universe. I wonder what else CERN will discover.
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What does this mean? does this mean that some particles move faster than light?
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On September 23 2011 16:32 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 16:27 Brett wrote:On September 23 2011 16:23 synapse wrote:On September 23 2011 16:19 nam nam wrote:
That begs the question then, where are all the time travels from the future right now?!?!? Time travel into the future is hypothetically possible because of time dilation, but there isn't any way (that we've thought of, at least) for time travel into the past to occur. Lol, that's what I was about to type.. And I'm not even a physics guy! Seems like a common sense thing: Going fast doesn't mean you can reverse time? You know I was joking right?
Yeah, I knew. He just posted what I was thinking, and I quoted it because I was thinking it in response to other posts in the thread, rather than in response to yours.
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Not going to happen. If you actaully read the article it says that they still have to present there results to cern and that most sciencists would bet there house against this.
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This is the first step ttowards humanity destroying itself
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On September 23 2011 17:27 Chaosvuistje wrote:
Well there goes the only thing the people knew for sure about the universe. I wonder what else CERN will discover.
That they can be wrong?
Seriously, at least wait until we get any kind of confirmation until we throw out the world of physics as we know it.
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On September 23 2011 17:37 HaXXspetten wrote:
This is the first step ttowards humanity destroying itself
Because?
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On September 23 2011 16:19 nam nam wrote:
That begs the question then, where are all the time travels from the future right now?!?!?
They are growing up and have yet to learn about who they really are. You can only send 36bytes of data to the past, people only send their dna sequence to be preborn.
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the best mechanic in guild wars for pvp is the manual dodge. its gonna be LOVELY in pvp
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cern sounds a lot like sern from steins;gate. they are trying to make time space travelling work by further exploring the laws of physics!
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On September 23 2011 17:47 Golgotha wrote:
the best mechanic in guild wars for pvp is the manual dodge. its gonna be LOVELY in pvp
That damn speed of light was holding back my dodging ability too!!
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On September 23 2011 17:50 animesaint wrote:
cern sounds a lot like sern from steins;gate. they are trying to make time space travelling work by further exploring the laws of physics!
At first they were trying to destroy the world by creating a black hole that would swallow the earth, but when that didn't work they had to settle with time travel.
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Reading the paper it's so interesting to see how they are practically begging for someone to find an error ;-) In the end, this is really good scientific behaviour. Nevertheless, it will be nice to see what the error is (assuming there is one). The difference of 60ns equals 18m roughly (if my quick math is correct here), so false measurements of distance shouldn't be the reason. And their level of statistical significance is 6 sigma, meaning it is like what, 99,999999999998% sure?
They surely already spent hundreds of hours recalculating and remeasuring everything. Poor guys ;-)
But the valid question still remains: Why do supernova-neutrinos then don't hit us way before photons? I'm too lazy to do the math now, but somebody here said it must be a time difference of years (even if they have negative mass and are "heavier" than the CERN neutrinos, the difference should add up after billions of lightyears).
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And thus, the era of time travelling begun.
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On September 23 2011 17:47 Golgotha wrote:
the best mechanic in guild wars for pvp is the manual dodge. its gonna be LOVELY in pvp
Think you're in the wrong thread :p
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Hasn't there been observed weird particle behavior which results in measured faster than light travel?
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