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Stellarwind
South Africa1 Post
Basically it's been observable ( meaning measurable as far as i can tell) for some decades that gravity is and must be propagating much faster than the 'speed of light' to account for the observable universe and certainly the movement of solar objects. While SR may have a 'speed limit' not all theories of relativity does so it may just be approaching time that we moved on. Meta research; The speed of gravity Enjoy | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:40 jeparie wrote: This is false. Light always appears to be going the same speed no matter your frame of reference. That's what makes things get all wacky when you start considering normal things happening at velocities near c you're right, i mispoke. the wavelength appears to change though, brain fart. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
Suck on that speed of light limits. :D THIS SHIT IS THE COOLEST THING EVER <3 Science | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On September 23 2011 04:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Perhaps they are mistaking the distance between the source and the detection. maybe they forgot about the curve of the earth right | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6232 Posts
Being more or less one of those as far as this kind of physics is concerned, has anyone come through yet who actually works in this stuff? I'm certain TL has some. If this is confirmed and verified, it's a tremendously huge deal. Personally I'm going to wait for CERN's press-release. I'm going to assume that if it makes it to official release, they'll have double-checked obvious junk like accounting for the earth's rotation. Until then, it very much might just be some PhD student who's forgotten to do that and then posted about it on his blog without thinking, so I'll wait it out. | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:39 Belisarius wrote: It's interesting the number of people who come out of the woodwork in threads like this with highschool science and a couple hours of wikipedia, then act like they're qualified to give knowledgeable answers. Being more or less one of those as far as this kind of physics is concerned, has anyone come through yet who actually works in this stuff? I'm certain TL has some. If this is confirmed and verified, it's a tremendously huge deal. Personally I'm going to wait for CERN's press-release. I'm going to assume that if it gdoes make it to official release, they'll have double-checked crap like forgetting to account for the earth's rotation. Until then, it very much might just be some PhD student who's done that and then posted about it on his blog without thinking, so I'll wait it out. I'm an actually Physicist, senior, and all the info I can find (along with the chatter amongst colleagues so far) have only been "media" outpost stories, no official press releases or publications. Either that means it was an incorrect, possibly knee-jerk statement (someone mentioned this originating in a blog LOL); or CERN has decided to withhold information until it's actually checked, double-checked, triple-checked, etc-checked... It's not worth discussing theory until the results are uber-confirmed or repeated, and even then, it may OR may not send "MASSIVE WAVES" through Physics. Though I must admit, browsing the thread was hilarious, and some of the theory people claim to know/believe is really weird and hilarious. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6232 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote: Here is a pretty interesting take on the situation: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/09/22/faster-than-light-travel-discovered-slow-down-folks/ That's a good, accessible analysis. Thank you. People should probably read this. EDIT: On September 23 2011 09:47 Duka08 wrote: I'm an actually Physicist, senior, and all the info I can find (along with the chatter amongst colleagues so far) have only been "media" outpost stories, no official press releases or publications. Either that means it was an incorrect, possibly knee-jerk statement (someone mentioned this originating in a blog LOL); or CERN has decided to withhold information until it's actually checked, double-checked, triple-checked, etc-checked... It's not worth discussing theory until the results are uber-confirmed or repeated, and even then, it may OR may not send "MASSIVE WAVES" through Physics. Though I must admit, browsing the thread was hilarious, and some of the theory people claim to know/believe is really weird and hilarious. Also thank you, too. I'm a biologist, and I get the same kind of amusement out of reading the "scientists have cured AIDS!" threads that pop up every now and then. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:39 Belisarius wrote: It's interesting the number of people who come out of the woodwork in threads like this with highschool science and a couple hours of wikipedia, then act like they're qualified to give knowledgeable answers. Being more or less one of those as far as this kind of physics is concerned, has anyone come through yet who actually works in this stuff? I'm certain TL has some. If this is confirmed and verified, it's a tremendously huge deal. Personally I'm going to wait for CERN's press-release. I'm going to assume that if it makes it to official release, they'll have double-checked obvious junk like accounting for the earth's rotation. Until then, it very much might just be some PhD student who's forgotten to do that and then posted about it on his blog without thinking, so I'll wait it out. I suspect there's likely just some mistake they hadn't noticed yet that will be picked up when the tests are reviewed, but you're right, if it does get published, this is huge. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
"Some say he delivers neutrinos from CERN to Gran Sasso. All we know is, he's called The Stig." #mundaneneutrinoexplanations | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:47 Belisarius wrote: That's a good, accessible analysis. Thank you. People should probably read this. EDIT: Also thank you, too. I'm a biologist, and I get the same kind of amusement out of reading the "scientists have cured AIDS!" threads that pop up every now and then. Looking forward to the press conference tomorrow! | ||
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Soot
Germany36 Posts
Posted earlier by somebody very helpful: http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=155620 | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:39 Belisarius wrote: It's interesting the number of people who come out of the woodwork in threads like this with highschool science and a couple hours of wikipedia, then act like they're qualified to give knowledgeable answers. Being more or less one of those as far as this kind of physics is concerned, has anyone come through yet who actually works in this stuff? I'm certain TL has some. If this is confirmed and verified, it's a tremendously huge deal. Personally I'm going to wait for CERN's press-release. I'm going to assume that if it makes it to official release, they'll have double-checked obvious junk like accounting for the earth's rotation. Until then, it very much might just be some PhD student who's forgotten to do that and then posted about it on his blog without thinking, so I'll wait it out. I'm a physics major..... yeah I don't know jack shit. But, we have gone over some of the backing ideas behind what proves many of einstiens theories and the standard model and there is a a fuckton of data that backs it up. All of our modern experiments more or less confirm these theories in one way or another. That's why I find this so bizarre, it not only contradicts earlier findings, but it straight up defies everything that has been otherwise proven. I have no idea how, but I'm sure there's some egghead who can explain why its a fluke or some sort of physics loophole. I just find it hard to believe that everything we have proven is suddenly wrong. Mass simply can't exceed the speed of light. And you can't send information faster than light. I don't know much about neutrinos though (I thought they had mass). Maybe somebody here can enlighten me on situations where they break laws of physics. | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Apparently going from CERN to Gran Sasso in a Bugatti Veyron is 60ns faster than a photon. ... and on that bomb shell we must end this program! | ||
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jbee
35 Posts
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Savern101
United Kingdom859 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:55 yarkO wrote: I think it is a bit funny that people are suggesting that this is just simple mistake made by world-leading physicists... Its probably a very complicated mistake, but the odds of Cern accidentally finding faster than light particles is... unlikely to say the least. | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
Does this mess with all of science? Why yes, yes it does, in fact, it fucks up absolutely everything. I mean everything. This is awesome if true, but I am pretty certain it will be explained in some fashion without general relativity being violated. On September 23 2011 09:57 jbee wrote: A lot of things move faster than light. For example: light on a speeding train. Thats actually not true, lets say for instance you are on a theoretical train that is somehow able to travel at 99.9999999% the speed of light. If you were to stand up in the train and run forward, common sense would tell you that when you add your speed to that of the train's and you would surpass the speed of light. This doesn't happen. To prevent the light speed barrier from being crossed, time will actually slow itself down to prevent you from going faster than the speed of light. It is impossible for anything to move faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. At least until now.... Edit: Can't tell if you were serious or not. | ||
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jimmydu444
Canada250 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:57 jbee wrote: A lot of things move faster than light. For example: light on a speeding train. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHAHAHAHA. You're funny. | ||
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