EPTOn September 23 2011 07:58 Cokefreak wrote:
So anyone actually, actually, understand what all this means...?
So anyone actually, actually, understand what all this means...?
Have no clue at all, and neither do 90% of posters lol
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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
Have no clue at all, and neither do 90% of posters lol | ||
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rubio91
Italy111 Posts
Well the formula doesn't even apply to photons. We are talking about neutrinos, not photons | ||
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Logarythm
United States264 Posts
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rubio91
Italy111 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:02 Kojak21 wrote: Have no clue at all, and neither do 90% of posters lol 99,9999% ;D | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
I would say 100 percent since a solution hasn't been published yet. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:05 hp.Shell wrote: This breaks relativity, which I have been expecting for some time. I don't know what a neutrino is, but I have known that thought can travel faster than light over vast expanses (in fact, thought can travel instantly from one place to another) and this just seems to justify the idea. Great stuff. Wut? Are you talking about telepathy? | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:05 hp.Shell wrote: This breaks relativity, which I have been expecting for some time. I don't know what a neutrino is, but I have known that thought can travel faster than light over vast expanses (in fact, thought can travel instantly from one place to another) and this just seems to justify the idea. Great stuff. It is a very small particle about the size of an electron. It has no charge and has mass. It usually goes straight through conventional matter. I think you may be troll-baiting with that thought stuff though. | ||
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sevia
United States954 Posts
On September 23 2011 04:33 Sanitarium14 wrote: neutrinos have always been able to violate natural laws because they really do not exist I have no idea what anything in this thread means, but something about this sentence is fucking hilarious | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On September 23 2011 07:58 Soleron wrote: Well the formula doesn't even apply to photons. Of course since a photon is a "grain" of light. But from what I understood (starting 3 year physicts) faster a particle gets towards the speed of light the more energy/mass it gains view but the thing is. But a fun thing I learned yesterday is conservation of momemtum is a more fundamental then speed (not implying speed of light but it is a fundamental law and explains some formation of photons due to anihalition of particles etc.). So I wonder if it could be anything related to momemtum. Equally the other postulate for faster then light displacement is that something travelling through space can not pass c, but there is no constraint as the space itself warping in a such a way that displacement is faster then c as possible. As some people brought up in the posts. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6214 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:03 Logarythm wrote: A billionth of a second. Can their machines really be accurate to that level? Yep. For reference, a transistor at 3ghz switches on and off 3 billion times per second. There's methods to figure out far smaller durations on a reliable level. Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#Pulsed_operation They have lasers that can be reliably measured to be femtoseconds in duration. Nano-seconds is not a huge feat. Also, the shortest duration of time ever measured is: 12 attoseconds – record for shortest time interval measured as of May 12, 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attosecond that's 12x10^-18 seconds, quite a ways away from the time measured. Fun reading that's kind of relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:05 hp.Shell wrote: This breaks relativity, which I have been expecting for some time. I don't know what a neutrino is, but I have known that thought can travel faster than light over vast expanses (in fact, thought can travel instantly from one place to another) and this just seems to justify the idea. Great stuff. May I ask for an example to back up your radical revelation. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:03 Logarythm wrote: A billionth of a second. Can their machines really be accurate to that level? We can get up to fempto seconds if I'm not mistaken on some (millionth of a billionth) so yes it can be that precise. | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:05 hp.Shell wrote: This breaks relativity, which I have been expecting for some time. I don't know what a neutrino is, but I have known that thought can travel faster than light over vast expanses (in fact, thought can travel instantly from one place to another) and this just seems to justify the idea. Great stuff. it doesn't make much sense. waves can also travel faster than light, because they have no real physical body so to say. | ||
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rubio91
Italy111 Posts
waves can also travel faster than light, because they have no real physical body so to say. WHAT | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:10 NPF wrote: Of course since a photon is a "grain" of light. But from what I understood (starting 3 year physicts) faster a particle gets towards the speed of light the more energy/mass it gains view but the thing is. But a fun thing I learned yesterday is conservation of momemtum is a more fundamental then speed (not implying speed of light but it is a fundamental law and explains some formation of photons due to anihalition of particles etc.). So I wonder if it could be anything related to momemtum. Equally the other postulate for faster then light displacement is that something travelling through space can not pass c, but there is no constraint as the space itself warping in a such a way that displacement is faster then c as possible. As some people brought up in the posts. It's that last part about space warping that is especially curious as it tends to fly in the face of causality. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On September 23 2011 07:58 Cokefreak wrote: So anyone actually, actually, understand what all this means...? Nooope. Well, at a super basic level. We've always thought the speed of light was basically the fastest possible speed for anything, matter or energy. Now it turns out that some other tiny magical part of matter may be able to go faster. What that actually means for science or society as a whole is a total mystery to me, lol. | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On September 23 2011 08:03 Logarythm wrote: A billionth of a second. Can their machines really be accurate to that level? yes atomic clocks | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On September 23 2011 07:56 rubio91 wrote: + Show Spoiler + hmm let me get this straight, so as v approaches c or is equal to c, it becomes 1/(1-1) which is 1/0 which is "infinite". but having something faster than c just changes all that? thank you for answering my question If something travels faster than c, it must be accelerated to a speed faster than c, thus requiring infinite energy according to that law (which is not possible). So either the formula or the measurements are wrong. (this is a very simplified view of the question) Nah, they could take shortcuts through extra-dimensions, like in this paper : http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.0150 Noone in the world knows yet, what this all means, and if it is a good result, which a lot of physicists doubt. There are some theories that mention superluminal neutrinos, but all of it is speculation. Lots of experiments about the nature of neutrinos will be needed if a positive result persists. A supernova in the neighbourhood of the Milky Way would be ideal, as current neutrino detectors are more sensitive than in 1987, when the last one occured. | ||
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Groog
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On September 23 2011 08:13 Toxi78 wrote: it doesn't make much sense. waves can also travel faster than light, because they have no real physical body so to say. Nope, neither matter nor information can travel faster than light. If you're referring the EPR-paradox I suggest you read about Bell's solution to it. | ||
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