EPTFinancial Abortion - Page 10
| Forum Index > General Forum |
|
Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
| ||
|
Perdac Curall
242 Posts
Every time a woman has sex with a partner who has told her he is unready and unwilling to be a father, she is accepting the risk that she might get pregnant. If you are unready and unwilling to have children you should not be having sex!!!! Welcome to the real world where you are responsible for your own actions. | ||
|
sevencck
Canada704 Posts
On September 19 2011 09:07 Perdac Curall wrote: If you are unready and unwilling to have children you should not be having sex!!!! Welcome to the real world where you are responsible for your own actions. That's debatable, but my point was simply that such reasoning goes both ways. | ||
|
Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
On September 19 2011 09:07 Perdac Curall wrote: If you are unready and unwilling to have children you should not be having sex!!!! Welcome to the real world where you are responsible for your own actions. What is this? The bible-belt? For alot of people sex has more to do with love, intimicy, fun, feelings and the occasional drunk blunder than it has to do with parenting - and personally I feel this is great. I've been with my GF for 6years now. I'm still not ready to father her child, but should I just NOT have sex with her? Sex is the single most amazing experience when it's with a person you love. And I have told her several times, that at the moment I do not wish to be a father - and she somehow cheated with birthcontrol (skipped pills, made holly condoms or w/e this thread has come up with) would it then be MY responsibility - when I've already clearly told her on what conditions I'm having sex? It is HER actions... Or even without the messing around with birthcontrol... if we by accident got pregnant... I've always claimed we did NOT have sex with the intention of having babies. Just with the attention of showing each other our love. Did this ever occur to you? Pregnancy =/ the sole reason of sex | ||
|
Half
United States2554 Posts
Life isn't fair. A court isn't going to give two whoops in hell that you think it should be your right to put your dick in someone with no consequences because that's 'fair.' The physical existence of a baby trumps this juvenile nonsense. People need to grow up. You're right, life isn't fair. Thats why courts exist, to give some semblance of fairness and justice to the chaotic sprawl that is life. They shouldn't exist to compound the intrinsic unfairness of life, and the fact that you have accepted that as its purpose is just evidence of how broken our justice system is. | ||
|
SharkSpider
Canada606 Posts
On September 19 2011 09:05 Manimal_pro wrote: i wonder if the law can force you to recognize a child as yours... would be interesting to see how it is done? what are they going to do? jail me for not wanting to take a DNA test? Court orders a DNA test after you're declared the father. Refusal constitutes contempt of court, so yes, jail. | ||
|
BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On September 18 2011 19:59 PrideNeverDie wrote: women have the right to have sex, then later decide they aren't ready or dont want to become a parent. even for those opposed to abortion, adoption exists. what we have here is an obvious case of gender discrimination. Also, women get to decide when they want to become a parent because they carry the baby in their stomach and face excruciating pain during labor. All the man has to do is ejaculate. The moment he doesn't monitor the situations (As I mentioned above) is the moment he gives up the right on if he wants to become a parent or not. I don't see it as gender discrimination. I see calling it "gender discrimination" as an excuse to defend irresponsible men from a mistake that could have been prevented. On September 18 2011 19:59 PrideNeverDie wrote: what is TL's thoughts on the subject? do you think men deserve the right to have sex without consenting to paying for and raising a child for 20 years? if a man does not want the child, can he be freed from the financial obligations of child support? Is the woman freed from financial obligations of child support? Your answer is, no. It was a sexual agreement. Both chose to reap the consequences by engaging in intercourse to begin with. Child support is a consequence of a bad relationship (a relationship that didn't work out) or a lustful engagement (one night stand, friend with benefits, etc.) therefore once you decide to have sex with that person your freedom to dodge child support has just been denied. | ||
|
Perdac Curall
242 Posts
On September 19 2011 09:12 Mentalizor wrote: What is this? The bible-belt? For alot of people sex has more to do with love, intimicy, fun, feelings and the occasional drunk blunder than it has to do with parenting - and personally I feel this is great. I've been with my GF for 6years now. I'm still not ready to father her child, but should I just NOT have sex with her? Sex is the single most amazing experience when it's with a person you love. And I have told her several times, that at the moment I do not wish to be a father - and she somehow cheated with birthcontrol (skipped pills, made holly condoms or w/e this thread has come up with) would it then be MY responsibility - when I've already clearly told her on what conditions I'm having sex? It is HER actions... Or even without the messing around with birthcontrol... if we by accident got pregnant... I've always claimed we did NOT have sex with the intention of having babies. Just with the attention of showing each other our love. Did this ever occur to you? Pregnancy =/ the sole reason of sex I did not say pregnancy is the only time you should have sex. I said if you have sex you have to be ready to take responsibility for your actions. If she gets pregnant, you can't skip out on the child. You can have sex all you want with your gf and not get her pregnant I don't care. I'm saying if you do get your gf pregnant you be a man and be prepared to take care of that baby. | ||
|
PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
On September 19 2011 09:07 Perdac Curall wrote: If you are unready and unwilling to have children you should not be having sex!!!! Welcome to the real world where you are responsible for your own actions. is this the same real world where women can have sex but aren't held responsible for their own actions by aborting their child everytime they get pregnant? abortion relieves women of the financial obligations of having a child as well as the responsibility of being ready and willing to take care of a child before having sex. the only thing that is being proposed is relief of court-ordered financial obligations with the threat of jailtime for men. | ||
|
mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On September 19 2011 10:03 BlazeFury01 wrote: The moment a man decides to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman is the exact same moment he puts himself at risk to face the consequences. If he (the man) so chooses to engage in such an action without protection or insight of where his semen goes then it is no ones fault but his own. Personally, I use a condom. After sex, I fill the condom up with water to see if it leaks (which means I am at risk). Afterwards, I flush the condom down the toilet. This provides security and assures me that I am safe to continue my daily life without any sort of worries. Victory loves preparation; if you want to prevent this from ever happening, then you have to eliminate all of the possibilities for it to happen. Also, women get to decide when they want to become a parent because they carry the baby in their stomach and face excruciating pain during labor. All the man has to do is ejaculate. The moment he doesn't monitor the situations (As I mentioned above) is the moment he gives up the right on if he wants to become a parent or not. I don't see it as gender discrimination. I see calling it "gender discrimination" as an excuse to defend irresponsible men from a mistake that could have been prevented. Is the woman freed from financial obligations of child support? Your answer is, no. It was a sexual agreement. Both chose to reap the consequences by engaging in intercourse to begin with. Child support is a consequence of a bad relationship (a relationship that didn't work out) or a lustful engagement (one night stand, friend with benefits, etc.) therefore once you decide to have sex with that person your freedom to dodge child support has just been denied. I only have view of this from a child's point of view, (my parents split when i was quite young due to my mother being with someone else) I spent equal time with both my mother and father for the next 10 years. Yet my father was the one paying child support for all that time. That still seems hardly fair to me, he looked after us 50% of the time. Both my parents had jobs, what reason was there for child support to be paid, my father hadn't done anything wrong yet was left paying money out for over 10 years (I have younger siblings) leaving him financially crippled. I have always thought that the system for such things in my country was flawed and still do. If one parent ups and leaves they are making the choice right there saying they don't need nor want their partners support (most times they take the children for 100% of the time). Yet they still wish to reap the benefits of their partners success. I hate reading all this you choose to have sex so you have to deal with the consequences. Well one apparently responsible adult chose to leave another for whatever reason, if they can't afford to look after their child alone because of financial woes maybe the child should go into foster care. Most times I have seen friends and family split up child support has been wanted just because they can, not because it is needed. | ||
|
nukeazerg
United States168 Posts
| ||
|
Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On September 19 2011 11:04 nukeazerg wrote: People should be paid to have kids. Child support paid by government no matter your means. That sounds like a terrible idea, considering we are already overpopulated; we don't need to give people even more reason to have children. | ||
|
mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On September 19 2011 11:12 Demonhunter04 wrote: That sounds like a terrible idea, considering we are already overpopulated; we don't need to give people even more reason to have children. Australia already has this in the form of the baby bonus; http://www.familyassist.gov.au/payments/family-assistance-payments/baby-bonus/ | ||
|
Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On September 19 2011 11:13 mcmartini wrote: Australia already has this in the form of the baby bonus; http://www.familyassist.gov.au/payments/family-assistance-payments/baby-bonus/ What is the justification for this? | ||
|
mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On September 19 2011 11:14 Demonhunter04 wrote: What is the justification for this? Never had a child myself so not really sure about the justification to be honest just no that's how it is :/ | ||
|
applejuice
307 Posts
On September 18 2011 21:30 Haemonculus wrote: LOL wow. Crazy bitches always be scrapin' up semen and jammn' it in themselves. I do it all the time, and so do alllll my friends. We even have parties for it. We invite over some poor chump, all get pregnant off him, and then demand child support. It's all part of our feminist agenda (tm)! Holy shit get over yourself. Like he said, it's not as far-fetched as you might think. It happens. Keyword: crazy. | ||
|
Co-lol-sus
Bulgaria141 Posts
On September 19 2011 11:12 Demonhunter04 wrote: That sounds like a terrible idea, considering we are already overpopulated; we don't need to give people even more reason to have children. http://overpopulationisamyth.com/ | ||
|
sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On September 19 2011 06:24 DoomsVille wrote: Situation 1: Man doesn't want child. Woman does. Man pays ~ $300/mth for 20 years. Situation 2: Man wants child. Woman doesn't. Woman pays cost of abortion, emotional trauma, body goes through hell. Woman is scorned by friends, family, society. I think we got a good deal guys. I don't know how you just ignore the non-monetary consequences. Even putting the oppresion olympics aside, that's a terrible argument. Not all abortions are traumatic late-term processes. Assuming the woman is paying even a modicum of attention to her body, it's very easy to obtain a first trimester abortion that has very little of the problems you described. And even later on, the assumption of emotional trauma and social scorn is unwarranted. Not to mention that in either case, the woman's choice overrules the man, so any costs she incurs were her own to decide upon, unlike the man's. On September 19 2011 06:31 oBlade wrote: It reminds me of suing your friend because he was driving and wrecked the car even though neither of you was wearing a seat belt. Except that in this case, the mother is the driver and is suing the passenger. That site is BS. The scientific consensus is that population growth is a major problem. The InterAcademy Panel Statement on Population Growth already concluded this 17 years ago. | ||
|
Sovern
United States312 Posts
On September 19 2011 10:56 PrideNeverDie wrote: is this the same real world where women can have sex but aren't held responsible for their own actions by aborting their child everytime they get pregnant? abortion relieves women of the financial obligations of having a child as well as the responsibility of being ready and willing to take care of a child before having sex. the only thing that is being proposed is relief of court-ordered financial obligations with the threat of jailtime for men. I could never understand the whole sending someone to jail because they don't have money. I'm not talking about just child support, I'm talking about any court ordered payments. If someone doesn't have the money sending them to jail wont magically fix their problems. Seems like all that the government cares about is money. To the contrary, sending them to jail will support them. Anyways, last I heard you cant go to jail for not paying anymore in the states because the jails were getting over crowded with people that weren't paying. Not to mention that they're not a threat to society so whats the point of putting them in jail if they're broke. Waste of tax dollars. | ||
|
MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
But abortions really get people worked up for some reason. | ||
| ||
