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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On October 15 2011 14:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Again a white shirt: The fuck!? These cops are fucking retarded, the world is so connected nowadays and everyone and their 85 year old great grandmother is carrying some sort of camera, why do they do shit like that when the world is obviously going to be watching. I hope people put enough pressure on whoever has the power to investigate and reprimand him (in the UK we have The Independent Police Complaints Commission, I assume there is some US equivalent), hopefully they do a better job than our system did when a police officer killed a man at the G20 protests. I don't want him to get aids, but I hope Anonymous leak his details like they did with that cop who pepper sprayed the women, I don't want him hurt but I want him to fear for his life, that's what bullies like that deserve. On October 15 2011 14:49 cleo wrote: lets face it. wall street is bigger than them so there's no point in trying to fight. if you can't beat them, join them. People can make a difference, and if they do nothing the higher ups will keep taking and taking until you have nothing. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
EDIT: According to the Guardian in London Julian Assange is being treated like some kind of Messiah. "[Assange] arrived at the London protest outside like a modern day messiah flanked by his disciples, says Lisa O'Carroll. "He pushed through the police kettle followed by an entourage shouting "Julian, Julian". He is now on the steps of St Pauls." Weird. No need to boost that guys already evidently massive ego. | ||
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JoelB
Germany311 Posts
Been there a few minutes ago ... Occupy Wallstreet / the World reached Germany. Dunno how many though ... would say around 6-8000 people protesting infront of the ECB (still think its the wrong location since the ECB isn't really responsible for the Situation) | ||
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ChaosWielder
United States166 Posts
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HoldenR
Netherlands256 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:18 H0i wrote: The goal is awareness. The more people are aware, the faster the awareness spreads. If enough people are aware of what's really going on, the change will happen. If enough people are aware they can work outside of the system and replace/update it to remove corruption, without violence. Politicians/governments and corporations only have power because people give them power. When we stop doing this, they will lose their power. I am asking who is supposed to enact this change. Does anyone really believe politicians have any interests at heart than that of the businesses that sponsor them? If you're calling for a revolution, good luck with that. Widespread apathy, as well as the ability for the military or the police just to put down the protestors with violence(And it'll happen too, even in the west), revolution cannot occur in the west any longer. Awareness will lead to nothing but empty promises from politicians, who will then be powerless or uninterested in following through once elected, and the people will forget about their qualms after they've been soothed. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 15 2011 23:50 HoldenR wrote: I am asking who is supposed to enact this change. Does anyone really believe politicians have any interests at heart than that of the businesses that sponsor them? If you're calling for a revolution, good luck with that. Widespread apathy, as well as the ability for the military or the police just to put down the protestors with violence(And it'll happen too, even in the west), revolution cannot occur in the west any longer. Awareness will lead to nothing but empty promises from politicians, who will then be powerless or uninterested in following through once elected, and the people will forget about their qualms after they've been soothed. If the apathy is already widespread, why are you spreading it further? Sometimes not overthinking things can work much better. The movement isn't an educated economic or political proposal, because in the mess that we're in there probably isn't a person who can make a coherent proposal anyway (that would satisfy everyone's needs). This is merely a way to vent out frustrations with modern society. It's about putting enough raw, blunt pressure, because it's still better than doing nothing or trying to change things from within the system. If it doesn't work, oh well, there will probably be more of these movements in the coming years anyway. We're not really at a point where qualms can be easily forgotten, since the fundaments of western society are being strained and shaken quite hard recently (not by the protest ofc, but by the general global situation). | ||
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MartinN
Spain307 Posts
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On October 15 2011 22:24 GizmoPT wrote: RT news live stream of the various protest in lot of countries https://rt.com/on-air/global-change-occupy-day-live/ can check some here too http://www.occupystream.com/ http://www.occupystreams.org/ has a good collection of streams. It seems that in Italy it has been massively violent with protesters storming the police on the livestream. A lot of other places have given some arrests, but nothing on that scale. Shame on the Italians for ruining the Occupy-name.  | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
But yes it does discredit the movement when they use violence. But don't draw conclusions yet as it is well known these countries have police units that infiltrate the police and start riots and give the riot squads the provocation they need to further escalate the situation. What I said before is when the police decides to use violence, you resist them and rout them. Of course at this point it is too early. But when the movements get bigger and the police more violent at some point you need to defeat the police. Yes, police will then start to shoot people. But governments don't give out freedom for free. You have to pay with blood. Dictatorship in the third world or semi democracy in the west; there is a difference but this is still true. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On October 15 2011 22:55 JoelB wrote: Been there a few minutes ago ... Occupy Wallstreet / the World reached Germany. Dunno how many though ... would say around 6-8000 people protesting infront of the ECB (still think its the wrong location since the ECB isn't really responsible for the Situation) They're in front of the ECB? That's intelligent although its idea runs counter to the OWS movement. Protesting the ECB is more like protesting the bailout which is more in line with US Tea Party sentiments. Notably, the Europeans are in the process of considering a bailout just like when the Tea Party activity was happening. Since the OWS accepts bailouts (fait acompli) so protesting has to be more for prosecution of financial fraud by the various financial houses, but to be honest I have no clue what OWS is really wants. IIRC, some segments of the Tea Party movement also wanted to prosecute financial fraud, but that fell by the wayside. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On October 15 2011 19:58 RvB wrote: haha yeah you guys are right. But still it's weird if people only say the cop hit the guy but leaving out the other guy spat on him ( if he did ). It's both wrong. Spitting on a cop is assaulting an officer. If he did indeed spit on him, he would have been arrested and charged. Given that no charges have been filed, I'm going to go with the spitting theory being bullshit. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On October 16 2011 00:35 TanGeng wrote: They're in front of the ECB? That's intelligent although its idea runs counter to the OWS movement. Protesting the ECB is more like protesting the bailout which is more in line with US Tea Party sentiments. Notably, the Europeans are in the process of considering a bailout just like when the Tea Party activity was happening. Since the OWS accepts bailouts (fait acompli) so protesting has to be more for prosecution of financial fraud by the various financial houses, but to be honest I have no clue what OWS is really wants. IIRC, some segments of the Tea Party movement also wanted to prosecute financial fraud, but that fell by the wayside. I think opposition to the bailouts is quite widespread in the OWS movement. At least the whole "socialize risk, privatize gain". I guess they might be ok with the bailouts if the banks were punished and broken up or taken over by the state for a while. I think they would have preferred if the focus of the bailout was in helping out the little man, making sure that people could stay in their houses and making sure that people had jobs instead of only focusing on the banks. | ||
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rhmiller907
United States118 Posts
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
Tens of thousands of people turned out to demonstrate peacefully in Rome, the BBC's David Willey. Television pictures from the city showed streets packed with protesters waving banners, close to the Colosseum. However militants dressed in black infiltrated the crowd and began attacking property. Offices belonging to the Italian defence ministry were set on fire, three cars were burnt and there were attacks on cash dispensers and bank and shop windows. Police moved in after bottles were reportedly thrown at them. The militants were also challenged by other protesters, our correspondent says. There was a message of support for the global day of protest from the chief of the Bank of Italy, Mario Draghi, who is set to take over as head of the European Central Bank (ECB) next month. "Young people are right to be indignant," he was quoted by Italian media as saying in informal comments at the G20 summit in Paris. "They're angry against the world of finance. I understand them... We adults are angry about the crisis. Can you imagine people who are in their twenties or thirties?" Source: BBC, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15319924 Seems that it was not protesters creating the fuss, but black-flag thugs. The beep doesn't seem particularly biased against it. Slightly surprising imo. | ||
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JoelB
Germany311 Posts
On October 16 2011 00:35 TanGeng wrote: They're in front of the ECB? That's intelligent although its idea runs counter to the OWS movement. Protesting the ECB is more like protesting the bailout which is more in line with US Tea Party sentiments. Notably, the Europeans are in the process of considering a bailout just like when the Tea Party activity was happening. Since the OWS accepts bailouts (fait acompli) so protesting has to be more for prosecution of financial fraud by the various financial houses, but to be honest I have no clue what OWS is really wants. IIRC, some segments of the Tea Party movement also wanted to prosecute financial fraud, but that fell by the wayside. This has nothing to do with anything concerning that vicious Tea Party Movement. People here are sick of paying their taxes and rents for gamblers and thieves in the financial industry, while in good times they keep the profits for themselves. If you take risks, it's your fault if you lose money. This must stop. In contrast to the Tea Party Movement people here in Germany don't want to lose what we call "social economy" ... i guess you in America call it communism ... Health Care, care for the weak, higher taxes for people who earn a lot of money to support our society. The american-english way of economy has failed obviously since a free economy without restrictions means chaos and "Survival of the Fittest" ... we do not what that business model. It's not about not helping the people in Greece. All of the money we send to greece goes directly into the banks, fonds and in the hands of those wicked gamblers ... the people there get nothing. We had to rescue the banks 2009 and everyone promised a change ... but nothing happend. Especially because America and England (others too) are blocking any international agreement towards a solution of this problem - and international sadly it must be. And yes, they are infront of the ECB ... dunno why though, because she isn't really responsible for what's going on. Some people there are against the Euro of course, like it always is. But the majority wants strict rules for the financial industry. The ECB just does her job by trying to saveguard our currency ... the weak politicians forced it into the situation where she currently is in. Of course the illegal Bail Out of Greece is an issue ... but this is about more. Its about the BAIL OUT OF OUR DEMOCRACY! | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On October 16 2011 00:45 DrainX wrote: I think they would have preferred if the focus of the bailout was in helping out the little man, making sure that people could stay in their houses and making sure that people had jobs instead of only focusing on the banks. It's only natural with the "too big to fail" doctrine. TBTF naturally translates into "too little to care," and the little guy gets ignored. OWS is couple years, too late. And OWS does have some socialist elements that would have been entirely supportive of a bailout-and-nationalise, but that is only one segment among many of the protesters. It's hard to see a unifying principle of OWS except for anger against financial houses. It'd be interesting to know if there are some Tea Party/OWS crossover attendees because there are segments of each movement that espouse similar sentiments. | ||
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JoelB
Germany311 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:03 Tschis wrote: Have you guys seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk this is amazing ... and so true. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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