Occupy Wall Street - Page 28

On October 05 2011 01:55 itstheTB wrote:
The financial analysts blaim the current fall on stock markets world wide upon bad politics, the politics being the ones unable to balance their budgets thus resulting in pessimism and -25% yearly return. Obviously the politicians are not any players on the financial market, it's the investors field, thus their actions is whats resulting in the steep fall, despite what the reason might be for their pessimism, it's still their selling of stocks resulting in price falls. Thus, traders can be held way more accountable for stock market fluctuations, because they are the ones fluctuating it.

On October 05 2011 05:56 Serthius wrote:


You're overestimating the influence investors have over market fluctuations.

The politicians are actually depressingly incompetent at their jobs. The US has had a balanced budget 3 out of the last 50 years. Why? Because balacing a budget doesn't help you get re-elected. That's the only reason. At a time of enormous problems, the politicians in congress are more focused on partisan bickering and irresponsible obstructionism than on actually doing their jobs.

The protestors would get better results marching on Washington.

On October 05 2011 06:39 Signet wrote:

With luck, the two can cancel eachother our and the pragmatists can play the tiebreaker. Of course that's probably too much to hope for.

On October 05 2011 06:45 TanGeng wrote:

The "pragmatists" A.K.A. apologists of the status quo are the problem and the source of the discontentment.

While I don't really care for the "causes" that are supposedly behind the protests, a little bit of radical thinking and operating outside the normal rules of political behavior is refreshing and interesting. It is also potentially dangerous and destructive.

On October 05 2011 06:52 PraetorialGamer wrote:


I most certainly agree that the development in recent years of the Tea Party and the much more recent Occupy Wall Street initiative is both refreshing and dangerous, I think that the pragmatists and centrists are not the problems as much as the mutually destructive theologies of the Far Left and Extreme Right. If America started to gravitate towards the center now with a focus on reparation of the country without concentrating on political ideology, there would be very little need for these protests.

On October 05 2011 04:40 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

No, you'd be surprised the people I've come across irl and on the internet. You say things like "bribes and corruption exist in US politics" or "US government serves corporate and banking interests" and some people will say you're wrong and then proceed to call you anti-American/terrorist/etc. They just have it in their heads to believe that things work the way they're said to work.

On October 05 2011 07:21 zalz wrote:


Corruption exists in all governments of the world. It is like thievery. There is no society without thievery. There are countries that treat crime with a soft touch approach and there are countries that execute people for stealing. No country has no crime.

Stating that there is corruption in the US is stating something as obvious as the presence of air in America. The relevant factor when discussing corruption is the degree. America like most Western countries are some of the least corrupt countries in the world. The culture condems it and there are independent agencies that track it down. Those two things make the difference. Corruption is worst when it is accpted as a part of daily dealings, that's not the case in western countries.


As for the government serving the intrests of corporate America, that is a fair point to make. It is true that some American corporations have received far to good a treatment in the form of tax breaks.

That would be a good thing to protest imo but it's not what this protest is about. It has no focussed message like that.

But they support Obama, and Obama blames Wall Street for everything. Thus, they are in New York, not Washington.

On October 05 2011 07:38 Sinensis wrote:
This made me laugh: http://occupywallst.org/article/radiohead-not-playing/

"#occupywallstreet would like to apologize to the members of the press and public who came out today to see Radiohead and left disappointed. We would also like to apologize to the band directly, and appreciate their kind words of support in the face of this confusion. They had nothing to do with what happened today.

Over the last twenty-four hours #occupywallstreet received several emails purportedly from Radiohead's manager detailing a show for Friday, September 30th at four in the afternoon. Due to miscommunication within our rapidly expanding and adjusting group, we were unable to determine that this was a hoax in time; it can be difficult to seperate rumor from fact in an open source movement."

On October 05 2011 06:52 PraetorialGamer wrote:


I most certainly agree that the development in recent years of the Tea Party and the much more recent Occupy Wall Street initiative is both refreshing and dangerous, I think that the pragmatists and centrists are not the problems as much as the mutually destructive theologies of the Far Left and Extreme Right. If America started to gravitate towards the center now with a focus on reparation of the country without concentrating on political ideology, there would be very little need for these protests.

Washington, DC —The Communications Workers of America Executive Board has endorsed the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Occupy Wall Street activists joined CWA members demonstrating for quality jobs at Verizon and Verizon Wireless, and CWA members will join the demonstrations to focus public attention on the impact of Wall Street’s greed on ordinary Americans.

Following is the CWA Executive Board’s statement:

The 700,000 members of the Communications Workers of America strongly support the Occupy Wall Street Movement. It is an appropriate expression of anger for all Americans, but especially for those who have been left behind by Wall Street. We support the activists’ non-violent efforts to seek a more equitable and democratic society based on citizenship, not corporate greed.

The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations are spreading throughout the country. We will support them and encourage all CWA Locals to participate in the growth of this protest movement.

Excuse me, but I am a bit puzzled. What you're saying is what I know already :S. Do you still not realize that my first post was sarcastic, and my second post was concerning people who don't believe the common sense / common knowledge things you're saying? Just a bit confused.

On October 05 2011 07:38 Sinensis wrote:
This made me laugh: http://occupywallst.org/article/radiohead-not-playing/

"#occupywallstreet would like to apologize to the members of the press and public who came out today to see Radiohead and left disappointed. We would also like to apologize to the band directly, and appreciate their kind words of support in the face of this confusion. They had nothing to do with what happened today.

Over the last twenty-four hours #occupywallstreet received several emails purportedly from Radiohead's manager detailing a show for Friday, September 30th at four in the afternoon. Due to miscommunication within our rapidly expanding and adjusting group, we were unable to determine that this was a hoax in time; it can be difficult to seperate rumor from fact in an open source movement."

On October 05 2011 16:03 Arlon wrote:
The whole idea of this is just retarded.

A bunch of stinky hippies in wall street is not going to change anything, and the demands they are making are just idiotic.

if these kids wanted anything to change they need to get more money than the people they are against, that's just how this kind of thing works.

On October 05 2011 16:02 Danglars wrote:


Amazing, a union is joining with protests against big financial-sector corporations.
I guess, the bigger news for me is that I haven't heard this at all on the news (Indeed, this thread was all that alerted me to an occupation or camp-out protest in Wall Street) with heavy-hitter unions getting behind it. Press failure on the groups' fault? Unions are enthusiastic supporters of the workers vs. the corporations mentality. Interesting.