Best/Strongest Superhero - Page 35

FusionMrWet

United States121 Posts

September 14 2011 02:44 GMT

#681

The men and women who work 3-4 jobs to put food on the table for their kids, the men and women who are single parents and go to college while also paying the bills, the people who make the United Stated the beautiful (it has its flaws), and amazing country it is.

akalarry

United States1978 Posts

September 14 2011 02:45 GMT

#682

comic books get more and more ridiculous. they need a storyline and endings for any real character development. i mean superman being able to juggle planets, holding a black hole in his hands and destroying a solar system by sneezing.. like... really? the creators will do anything to make their hero sound invincible.

and then everything conflicts like where superman struggles with vastly inferior enemies, but then all the amazing feats he can do.

i liked the classic, old school superman best, when he was "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound". nothing outraegous

FusionMrWet

United States121 Posts

September 14 2011 02:45 GMT

#683

On September 14 2011 11:44 FusionMrWet wrote:
The men and women who work 3-4 jobs to put food on the table for their kids, the men and women who are single parents and go to college while also paying the bills, the people who make the United Stated the beautiful (it has its flaws), and amazing country it is.

Meant to spell United States lol my bad

IAttackYou

United States330 Posts

September 14 2011 02:48 GMT

#684

Strongest super hero will be Magneto since he can control gravity which dictates over time.

Utinni

Canada1196 Posts

September 14 2011 03:00 GMT

#685

The One Above All is the most powerful.

My favorite superhero is Venom or Dr Strange.

Nicky98

United States14 Posts

September 14 2011 03:31 GMT

#686

Cmon guys Dr. Manhattan can control matter itself.. nothing can stand against that.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

September 14 2011 03:32 GMT

#687

what about the people in other countries who do that

Khul Sadukar

Australia1735 Posts

September 14 2011 03:41 GMT

#688

Kakarot.

Favourite: Vegeta

kwizach

3658 Posts

September 14 2011 08:14 GMT

#689

On September 14 2011 12:31 Nicky98 wrote:
Cmon guys Dr. Manhattan can control matter itself.. nothing can stand against that.

Silver Surfer can manipulate energy.

_vladimir_

Serbia530 Posts

September 14 2011 08:27 GMT

#690

On September 14 2011 17:14 kwizach wrote:

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Silver Surfer can manipulate energy.

And Superman prime can do all of that plus much much more with his godlike powers.

17Sphynx17

580 Posts

September 14 2011 08:33 GMT

#691

On September 14 2011 17:27 _vladimir_ wrote:

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And Superman prime can do all of that plus much much more with his godlike powers.

Problem with Superman Prime is he doesn't seem to be a hero because of what he has done and does. He may be all powerful but he doesn't fit the category AFAIK. =)

lorkac

United States2297 Posts

September 14 2011 08:54 GMT

#692

On September 14 2011 17:33 17Sphynx17 wrote:

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Problem with Superman Prime is he doesn't seem to be a hero because of what he has done and does. He may be all powerful but he doesn't fit the category AFAIK. =)

Supermanprime is not a "new" superman. He's simply the original superman realizing that he didn't have to hold himself back anymore and so spent a million years learning everything he could about the universe braniac style minus the genocide (supposedly)

He literally is *the* superman people grew up with--just no longer emo and shit.

Even still, despite all that, yeah, omnipotent beings don't count lol

--The fact that Dr. Manhattan is limited to simply only being able to control matter means he doesn't even get to the heavyweights of Marvel and DC. For example, Nathan Grey (heck, seemingly the entire Grey bloodline) can not only control matter, but they control existence as we know it, able to create and dissipate entire universes at will. And they're not even the heavyweights.

Brett

Australia3822 Posts

September 14 2011 08:59 GMT

#693

Wow, this thread has some serious legs..

Can't say I'm on top of all these super heroes and their power levels... But Superman Prime sounds pretty fucking OP (and consequently boring...).

As for favourite - Batman or maybe even The Maxx!

iXphobos

Germany1464 Posts

September 14 2011 09:35 GMT

#694

On September 14 2011 07:17 starbreaker10 wrote:
shredder

Yeah, best one so far!!!

Ermac

336 Posts

September 14 2011 09:43 GMT

#695

He-Man.

He's the most powerful man in the universe.

lorkac

United States2297 Posts

September 14 2011 09:56 GMT

#696

arioch

England403 Posts

September 14 2011 10:00 GMT

#697

1. Batman - he's obviously the coolest!
2. Martian Manhunter - Superstrength, Shapeshifting, Psy Powers, Invisibility, Flight, Invunrability, Xray Vision... The guy can do everything.

VoirDire

Sweden1923 Posts

September 14 2011 10:46 GMT

#698

On September 14 2011 07:29 kwizach wrote:

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On September 13 2011 16:11 VoirDire wrote:

On September 13 2011 01:02 kwizach wrote:

On September 12 2011 23:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:

On September 12 2011 23:13 kwizach wrote:

On September 12 2011 22:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Now you're just making stuff up. You have no logical or pertinent reason to say the Power Cosmic is stronger than the Speed Force (remember, the Flash froze many DC heroes who are masters of energy like captain atom and whatnot). This is why they're not comparable. You can't just assume the silver surfer is immune to the speed force when he gets shot by laser beams and getting hit with rocks and it works all the time -- which is why you can't say the flash is immune to anything the silver surfer can do because he gets affected by things beneath him all the time, too.

It's bias, plain and simple.

Let me guess, SS is your favorite superhero?

The particular power you have put forward is essentially energy robbing. The Silver Surfer is a character who has displayed feats of energy manipulation that go way beyond what you just described, is himself capable of energy absorption and has resisted countless energy absorbers in the past. Since the two characters are not part of the same multiverse you need to use logic and compare the powers - you can't simply claim that because Flash's power worked on every hero on his Earth, it would work on the Silver Surfer. The feats displayed by the Silver Surfer with regards to energy manipulation strongly suggest he is extremely resistant to energy absorption. The feats displayed by the Flash do not suggest in any way that he would be even remotely resistant to the Surfer attacks. Any unbiased observer would therefore logically go with the Surfer.

No, he is not my favorite superhero - not by a long shot.

On September 12 2011 23:03 zeru wrote:
Also, silver surfer was killed in marvel zombies series.

Marvel Zombies = Earth-2149. This is therefore not the Silver Surfer I'm talking about, which is from the Earth-616 universe.

Like I said, unless you think Silver Surfer is more resistant to the speed force than every single DC superhero (which is just silly), it could forseeably work. Why wouldn't a fundamental force of the universe affect Surfer? Punches affect him, energy beams affect him, he's been hit and hurt by many things that he should be able to shoe off with energy manipulation, but he didn't because maybe he's not as omnipowerful as you're suggesting. It's not a logical conclusion, it's a skeptical conclusion without real reference.

If they're both unsurpassable masters of their respective powers (allen is since he became the speed force, I'm pretty sure the SS's abilities are practically unlimited in this sense too), it's just about saying which one is stronger: The Speed Force, or The Power Cosmic? It's a baseless, speculative guess.

Also, way to take the marvel zombies post seriously. Lighten up, man!

Do you even read my posts? Why should the Surfer automatically be just as affected by the Speed force as the DC Earth superheroes when he does not have the same powers as them and is the wielder of the power cosmic which has no equivalent in the DC universe? I explained to you why one could very legitimately discard the possibility of the Surfer getting affected by the power you described, namely that he has resisted similar powers in the past and has shown abilities going WAY BEYOND that power with regards to energy manipulation. Flash, on the other hand, would get utterly destroyed by what the Silver Surfer could dish out. Stop trying to equate to two as if they were both completely vulnerable to the other's power when that's clearly not the case based on the feats they have respectively exhibited.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but just for arguments sake, I'm gonna argue:D

The physics of the marvel and DC multiverses are mutually exclusive so lets do two arguments, one for each universe.

Marvel universe:
If flash was in the marvel universe, the speed force would be an abstract entity as it is the embodiment of speed. If eternity is the embodiment of space, and infinity the embodiment of time, the speed force would be a composite of both. And thus potentially vastly more powerful, something like the phoenix force when summoned by Jean Grey. Powers from abstract entities trump power cosmic in the marvel universe. Since flash is the embodiment of the speed force, one could argue that it would make the an abstract.

In addition: As the marvel universe apparently isn't governed by the law of special relativity, and flash can travel at the fastest speed possible, he should be able to outspeed the SS measly 2x lightspeed easily. As both flash and SS have cosmic awareness, flash should be able to out maneuver SS and wear him out and take him out with a hit of virtually unlimited kinetic energy gained from momentum.

DC universe:
Since galactus doesn't exist in the DC universe, SS borrowed powers wouldn't even work here. Even if it would, he would have a hard time adjusting his powers based on energy absorbtion and manipulation since this universe isn't governed by the same laws of physics. He would not be able to exceed or even go very near light speed with his surf board as he would be effected by relativistic forces of time dilation and length contraction as he got close to c. The speed force explicitly protects Flashs body from relativistic effects as he gets close to c.

No, your reasoning is completely flawed. Why the hell would the power cosmic not exist or be severely limited in the DC universe while the speed force would be completely unaltered in the Marvel Universe? Either they both work (Surfer wins) or neither does (Surfer still wins). It's funny because in the crossovers (not canon), the writers actually made the exact opposite choice than yours: the Silver Surfer's powers always work perfectly in the DC universe, while Flash's power disappeared when he entered the Marvel universe in one crossover (but those crossovers aren't canon anyway).

Your argument regarding Flash being an abstract in the Marvel universe is groundless anyway, because Flash has never displayed feats that would indicate he'd be an abstract. And that's exactly what such theoretical battles are supposed to be based on: on-panel feats. The bottom line is that the Surfer has displayed feats way beyond Flash's and would crush him in battle.

No, your reasoning is completely flawed. Why the hell would the power cosmic not exist or be severely limited in the DC universe while the speed force would be completely unaltered in the Marvel Universe?

My reasoning is this: The power cosmic is galacus power of which a small portion is only extended to the silver surfer. It is a power that can be lent and taken away by will. SS would have no powers if there weren't a galactus to enable them, and there are no galacus in the DC universe.

The source of flash powers, the speed force, is a fundamental force of the universe, very similar to marvels concept of abstracts.

Your argument regarding Flash being an abstract in the Marvel universe is groundless anyway, because Flash has never displayed feats that would indicate he'd be an abstract. And that's exactly what such theoretical battles are supposed to be based on: on-panel feats. The bottom line is that the Surfer has displayed feats way beyond Flash's and would crush him in battle.
I never argued that flash was an abstract, I said that one could argue that since flash is the embodiment of a fundamental cosmic force in the DC universe, that could be translated to him being an abstract in the marvel universe.

While I agree that on-panel displayed feats should be the basis of the extent of someones powers, one must consider that their super powers are hard to compare, as they are based on fundamentally different universes with different rule sets. If you start comparing certain powers closely, you get weird paradoxes.

In a DC universe (governed by special relativity), the speed of light is the maximum theoretical speed, in a Marvel universe (Newtonian) it's an arbitrary number.

When flash accelerates to the speed of light, everything would not only seem to stand still in comparison to his fast speed. It would literary stand completely still as he have effectively frozen time. How would one perceive someone moving at twice the speed of light in a newtonian universe (as the silver surfer can do) in this situation?

amd098

Korea (North)1366 Posts

September 14 2011 10:59 GMT

#699

On September 14 2011 17:33 17Sphynx17 wrote:

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Problem with Superman Prime is he doesn't seem to be a hero because of what he has done and does. He may be all powerful but he doesn't fit the category AFAIK. =)

superMAN prime from DC 1 million, not superBOY prime from crisis
sigh... everyone confuses these two up