Best/Strongest Superhero - Page 34

soverRR

Sweden348 Posts

September 13 2011 10:53 GMT

#661

On September 13 2011 19:45 progaymer wrote:
I cant believe no one has mentioned Dumbledore, he can insta-kill, insta-teleport

... which are actually quite minuscule abilities compared to those of Dr. Manhattan, Superman-Prime, or in fact any of the many reality-warping heroes in, for example, the marvel universe.

progaymer

12 Posts

September 13 2011 11:05 GMT

#662

On September 13 2011 19:53 soverRR wrote:

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... which are actually quite minuscule abilities compared to those of Dr. Manhattan, Superman-Prime, or in fact any of the many reality-warping heroes in, for example, the marvel universe.

dumbledore would just drink a luck potion, and discover the spell for the eleventh dimension and crush those heroes

zeru

8156 Posts

September 13 2011 11:12 GMT

#663

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progaymer

12 Posts

September 13 2011 11:35 GMT

#664

On September 13 2011 20:12 zeru wrote:
Dumbledore has died. he's pretty weak lol

Oh crap i meant Hermione

17Sphynx17

580 Posts

September 13 2011 11:40 GMT

#665

I think those cases with which the character is bound to magic with actual spells to contend with is a cause for limitation of their abilities. If the spell does not exist, it therefore can not be done. And they must at least learn the spell properly first before it is to be executed and/or make the aforementioned potion sutied for the task by searching for the proper ingredients, if in fact the recipe does exist. And so on and so forth...

Also, luck would have its limitation, as is stated it is just luck. You may be lucky enough to evade the first blow, second, third etc, but at a certain point your luck will run out or won't be enough to help/save you.

At least that's my take on it.

Cloud9157

United States2968 Posts

September 13 2011 17:19 GMT

#666

I change my mind.

Jean Grey wins this hands down. Flash+SS don't stand a chance.

lorkac

United States2297 Posts

September 13 2011 20:45 GMT

#667

As for the Flash v Thor debate--the reason Thor's immortality wins because he doesn't die while the Flash has to be reincarnated. Thor lives forever, Flash dies of old age, Thor is given the victory, then Flash is reborn through the speedforce.

Thor wins on technicality.

Bruce Banner would also lose against Batman because Batman will ensure that Banner gets the plane tickets/transportation to get out of the city far enough. Bruce Wayne beats Hulk by cheating.

As for Lobo vs Captain Marvel, I really believe that Lobo would cheat and try to kill Marvel before the week preparation is up. If he doesn't then Marvel wins by definition. (Pick up Lobo, fly to sun, leave sun. Lobo is now floating in the middle of a star too hot for any space ship to rescue him (reasonably) Captain Marvel wins. I do however feel that Lobo won't play fair.

EDIT:
If you don't allow cheating, Lobo and Batman lose big time.

Soulish

Canada1403 Posts

September 13 2011 22:11 GMT

#668

Broly. His power is maximum

starbreaker10

United States62 Posts

September 13 2011 22:17 GMT

#669

shredder

kwizach

3658 Posts

September 13 2011 22:29 GMT

#670

On September 13 2011 16:11 VoirDire wrote:

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On September 13 2011 01:02 kwizach wrote:

On September 12 2011 23:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:

On September 12 2011 23:13 kwizach wrote:

On September 12 2011 22:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Now you're just making stuff up. You have no logical or pertinent reason to say the Power Cosmic is stronger than the Speed Force (remember, the Flash froze many DC heroes who are masters of energy like captain atom and whatnot). This is why they're not comparable. You can't just assume the silver surfer is immune to the speed force when he gets shot by laser beams and getting hit with rocks and it works all the time -- which is why you can't say the flash is immune to anything the silver surfer can do because he gets affected by things beneath him all the time, too.

It's bias, plain and simple.

Let me guess, SS is your favorite superhero?

The particular power you have put forward is essentially energy robbing. The Silver Surfer is a character who has displayed feats of energy manipulation that go way beyond what you just described, is himself capable of energy absorption and has resisted countless energy absorbers in the past. Since the two characters are not part of the same multiverse you need to use logic and compare the powers - you can't simply claim that because Flash's power worked on every hero on his Earth, it would work on the Silver Surfer. The feats displayed by the Silver Surfer with regards to energy manipulation strongly suggest he is extremely resistant to energy absorption. The feats displayed by the Flash do not suggest in any way that he would be even remotely resistant to the Surfer attacks. Any unbiased observer would therefore logically go with the Surfer.

No, he is not my favorite superhero - not by a long shot.

On September 12 2011 23:03 zeru wrote:
Also, silver surfer was killed in marvel zombies series.

Marvel Zombies = Earth-2149. This is therefore not the Silver Surfer I'm talking about, which is from the Earth-616 universe.

Like I said, unless you think Silver Surfer is more resistant to the speed force than every single DC superhero (which is just silly), it could forseeably work. Why wouldn't a fundamental force of the universe affect Surfer? Punches affect him, energy beams affect him, he's been hit and hurt by many things that he should be able to shoe off with energy manipulation, but he didn't because maybe he's not as omnipowerful as you're suggesting. It's not a logical conclusion, it's a skeptical conclusion without real reference.

If they're both unsurpassable masters of their respective powers (allen is since he became the speed force, I'm pretty sure the SS's abilities are practically unlimited in this sense too), it's just about saying which one is stronger: The Speed Force, or The Power Cosmic? It's a baseless, speculative guess.

Also, way to take the marvel zombies post seriously. Lighten up, man!

Do you even read my posts? Why should the Surfer automatically be just as affected by the Speed force as the DC Earth superheroes when he does not have the same powers as them and is the wielder of the power cosmic which has no equivalent in the DC universe? I explained to you why one could very legitimately discard the possibility of the Surfer getting affected by the power you described, namely that he has resisted similar powers in the past and has shown abilities going WAY BEYOND that power with regards to energy manipulation. Flash, on the other hand, would get utterly destroyed by what the Silver Surfer could dish out. Stop trying to equate to two as if they were both completely vulnerable to the other's power when that's clearly not the case based on the feats they have respectively exhibited.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but just for arguments sake, I'm gonna argue:D

The physics of the marvel and DC multiverses are mutually exclusive so lets do two arguments, one for each universe.

Marvel universe:
If flash was in the marvel universe, the speed force would be an abstract entity as it is the embodiment of speed. If eternity is the embodiment of space, and infinity the embodiment of time, the speed force would be a composite of both. And thus potentially vastly more powerful, something like the phoenix force when summoned by Jean Grey. Powers from abstract entities trump power cosmic in the marvel universe. Since flash is the embodiment of the speed force, one could argue that it would make the an abstract.

In addition: As the marvel universe apparently isn't governed by the law of special relativity, and flash can travel at the fastest speed possible, he should be able to outspeed the SS measly 2x lightspeed easily. As both flash and SS have cosmic awareness, flash should be able to out maneuver SS and wear him out and take him out with a hit of virtually unlimited kinetic energy gained from momentum.

DC universe:
Since galactus doesn't exist in the DC universe, SS borrowed powers wouldn't even work here. Even if it would, he would have a hard time adjusting his powers based on energy absorbtion and manipulation since this universe isn't governed by the same laws of physics. He would not be able to exceed or even go very near light speed with his surf board as he would be effected by relativistic forces of time dilation and length contraction as he got close to c. The speed force explicitly protects Flashs body from relativistic effects as he gets close to c.

No, your reasoning is completely flawed. Why the hell would the power cosmic not exist or be severely limited in the DC universe while the speed force would be completely unaltered in the Marvel Universe? Either they both work (Surfer wins) or neither does (Surfer still wins). It's funny because in the crossovers (not canon), the writers actually made the exact opposite choice than yours: the Silver Surfer's powers always work perfectly in the DC universe, while Flash's power disappeared when he entered the Marvel universe in one crossover (but those crossovers aren't canon anyway).

Your argument regarding Flash being an abstract in the Marvel universe is groundless anyway, because Flash has never displayed feats that would indicate he'd be an abstract. And that's exactly what such theoretical battles are supposed to be based on: on-panel feats. The bottom line is that the Surfer has displayed feats way beyond Flash's and would crush him in battle.

dibban

Sweden1279 Posts

September 13 2011 22:30 GMT

#671

Galactus.

Belano

Sweden657 Posts

September 13 2011 22:43 GMT

#672

Favorite: Roarshack/Batman.

Most poweful: I guess Manhattan? But if we're talking about strictly super speed/strength heroes, I think that Goku has it.

DeepElemBlues

United States5080 Posts

September 13 2011 22:48 GMT

#673

the tick

there's nothing he can't handle

Al Bundy

7257 Posts

September 13 2011 22:53 GMT

#674

Wow 30 pages later and people keep mentioning Goku? You got to be trolling... Even Professor Xavier could take down Goku.

amd098

Korea (North)1366 Posts

September 14 2011 00:15 GMT

#675

On September 14 2011 07:53 AlBundy wrote:
Wow 30 pages later and people keep mentioning Goku? You got to be trolling... Even Professor Xavier could take down Goku.

with his legs!

oh man bad joke

Swwww

Switzerland812 Posts

September 14 2011 00:18 GMT

#676

Captain America for sure! Gotta love the most awesome hero of all time :D

Team .SCA

United States327 Posts

September 14 2011 00:27 GMT

#677

Goku, HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ai.Cola

Germany236 Posts

September 14 2011 00:35 GMT

#678

Favorite Hero: The Punisher of course!

Strongest: hard to say, does "strongest" mean physical strenght or "fighting power" ?
The silver surfer is probably one of the strongest, alongside Hulk and Thor.
But superman on the other hand doesnt seem very strong, he needs the sun and if you consider that green lantern gets his strenght from all the will power in the universe he is probably way stronger :D

I guess I'll go with Hulk :D

Edit: alright, the guy above me is right, Dr. Manhatten should pwn them all.

Commander-Zerg

Canada341 Posts

September 14 2011 02:36 GMT

#679

AxelTVx

Canada916 Posts

September 14 2011 02:41 GMT

#680

On September 14 2011 09:27 travisyang wrote:
Goku, HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know he eventually went over 120,000,000,000............. lol.........

Best Superhero would be the Japanese Tentacle Superhero.... you know what I mean

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