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On September 11 2011 21:13 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
God is the strongest super hero. He can destroy and create an entire universe in an instant. God can move unmovable objects and god can stop unstopable objects, superman and goku can't. God created goku and super man. Gods power is unlimited.
I guess the only thing that could take on god in a 1v1 is dragongod ssj4 son goku, he could just wish god away. While that wouldn't kill god, because god could just wish himself back, god and dragongod ssj4 goku would imprison themselves in an infinite loop of wishing themselves back.
except God is not a super hero, duh
And all the goku argument is crazy, i loved DBZ and him too, but c'mon he dies/gets beaten more times then GRRM kills main caracters in a book. He's probably not even the strongest in the DBZ universe after all, how could he compete with all the stupidly borken caracters from other lores?
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For non-entities (One Above All, the Presence, etc.) wouldn't Franklin Richards, Mr. M or any other reality bending hero trump anyone else? I'd think they'd just will other heroes out of existence and that'd be it.
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Batman doesn't even have powers, guys. He just has some gadgets and a silly costume...
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On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match.
i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...)
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On September 11 2011 21:09 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 20:37 youngminii wrote:
thor vs dr manhatten would be interesting
@technique thor is a superhero that is based on the thor of norse mythology
those two thors are not the same
so many silly people here Well i watched the animated thor/wolverine vs hulk series, i still don't know why he would be a superhero? Also the Hulk pretty much smashed him... Hulk smashes all, fact :D.
Dude, Thor is a superhero. Also, the animated series are not canon.
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On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...)
There's no evidence either way, only guesses.
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Magneto, clearly the greatest and most powerful of all heroes.
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On September 11 2011 20:37 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 19:35 Cel.erity wrote:On September 11 2011 17:56 Technique wrote:On September 11 2011 12:42 Seldentar wrote:I'm shocked very few people have mentioned Thor as the strongest superhero. If you argue he can't beat superman take a look at this: http://www.old-wizard.com/thor-vs-superman Thor is not a superhero... How is he not a superhero? Can you explain? I've never been the biggest Avengers fan, but he seems to fit the criteria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
Thor is a superhero silly, being a god doesn't mean you can't be a hero... I don't know where you got the idea he isnt. Besides, those two Thors aren't even the same.
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On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...)
I think Mystic Gohan comes very very close to SSJ3 Goku
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Hulk....
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On September 11 2011 20:48 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 20:37 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 19:58 AbuseYouMerc wrote:
To all you saying goku.. While its true that in the DBZ series he is indeed, the strongest warrior alive.
BUT. If you take into account broly, the REAL legendary super saiyan, he puts goku to shame with his power level.
For those who wanna disagree, dont. Broly unchecked will GAIN energy (and thus power) over time. If he wasnt destroyed by all saiyans everytime, he would absolutely SMASH every known SSJ form in the world. with eaz, I tell you that.
Ofcourse, Broly aint really a superhero, so you're absolutely right on that part ^^ You've got to be kidding me. YEAH, BROLY WILL CONTINUOUSLY GAIN POWER WITH NO LIMIT! Which is why he had to release some energy in the form of some energy blasts, right? He yelled that he couldn't contain all his power and had to release some energy or else he was going to explode. He has a limit, his power always rising just means that he doesn't tire. Also, Superman would utterly destroy Goku, and this is coming from a hardcore DBZ fan. All the people who think Goku would beat Superman are kidding themselves. You people obviously don't know what Superman is capable of. Yea right lol. I mean i don't know much about superman, but Goku can probably just beat Superman in like SS2 form. How easy would it be to dodge heat vision with super human speed? I mean even superman vs superman I doubt one will even hit with heat vision or w.e it is called.
LMAO you are actually serious? lol... as a long loving Goku fan who doesn't care for superman much, superman would obviously crush Goku.
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On September 11 2011 23:06 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...) I think Mystic Gohan comes very very close to SSJ3 Goku
He's actually much, much stronger.
But it's moot. Flash is the most powerful once he became the speed force. He basically is a fundamental force of the universe while still being an actual superhero, so he fits the criteria. Superman? Well, sorry, you can't do anything that pertains to movement! Oh, you'd like to attack him? Sorry, can't move. You'd like to think of a plan, or for that matter, anything at all and any course of action for which to take? Welp, that sucks, because thinking requires the transfer of information in your brains! You're completely frozen in space at his will with no ability to think or act, and, well, you can't pull the "hit him so fast he can't execute these powers" gimmick because he's literally the essence of all things speed. Goku? Ditto! Then an infinite mass punch through the brain. Flash, going all out, is the most absurdly powerful comic book character who still counts as a superhero.
The downside is that using all of his power runs the risk of him disappearing forever (except not because comic books). In a full out, 1 on 1 fight, Flash > All and it's not even close.
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On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...)
*PULLS OUT OTAKU GLASSES*
It's actually canon that in terms of pure power level and intelligence that Elder Kai Unlock Gohan is the strongest character in all of DBZ, and it is Word of God. Seriously, Toriyama says so. (Elder Kai Unlock is technically more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, which is caveat-ed by Goku COMPLETELY avoiding Super Buu in the manga and telling Gohan to go and fight Super Buu instead)
EDIT: Though it should be noted that Gohan has by far the most unrefined fighting style of all of the Z-fighters... which is easily seen at MULTIPLE points where he SHOULD be completely outclassing his opponents... but doesn't simply because he lack hard earned battle sense of any sort!
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On September 11 2011 22:58 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...) There's no evidence either way, only guesses.
If it is at the end Z, clearly Goku wasn't able to defeat Kid Buu by himself. He needed the energy of everyone else, with whom without their combined ki wouldnt be able to generate enough energy to destroy Buu. Also, on the energy clash, he needed the Dragon Ball wish to rejuvenate his strength to be able to push the Genki Dama onto Buu. Without those two elements working with Goku, he would have died along with the whole Dragon Ball universe.
So in retrospect, in the Z universe, the only real person who was theoretically having the fighting advantage or chance against Buu was supposedly Z Gohan with the Z sword but that whole plan went whack when they broke the sword.
But if you just stick with Dragon Ball Z universe only, then Goku shouldn't really be in this running, even if it were super saiyan lore. Only at the end of GT would Goku have a chance to be in the strongest running as the new Shenron or Dragon God as being the god of dragon ball universe capable of doing pretty much everything.
If you stick the whole developments on the Dragon Ball universe though and just point out super saiyan classes SSJ1 to 4, it is simply power levels and feats of strengths, no were near any godly/supernatural acts that other heroes could do or execute. Only when Goku is the new Dragon God can he compare with those stated as the most powerful if you look at it from the standpoint of bending reality or pretty much whatever they want. =)
My 2 cents. =)
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On September 11 2011 23:10 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...) *PULLS OUT OTAKU GLASSES* It's actually canon that in terms of pure power level and intelligence that Elder Kai Unlock Gohan is the strongest character in all of DBZ, and it is Word of God. Seriously, Toriyama says so. (Elder Kai Unlock is technically more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, which is caveat-ed by Goku COMPLETELY avoiding Super Buu in the manga and telling Gohan to go and fight Super Buu instead) EDIT: Though it should be noted that Gohan has by far the most unrefined fighting style of all of the Z-fighters... which is easily seen at MULTIPLE points where he SHOULD be completely outclassing his opponents... but doesn't simply because he lack hard earned battle sense of any sort!
it appears ive been deceived then =o
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On September 11 2011 23:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 23:06 Paperplane wrote:On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...) I think Mystic Gohan comes very very close to SSJ3 Goku He's actually much, much stronger. But it's moot. Flash is the most powerful once he became the speed force. He basically is a fundamental force of the universe while still being an actual superhero, so he fits the criteria. Superman? Well, sorry, you can't do anything that pertains to movement! Oh, you'd like to attack him? Sorry, can't move. You'd like to think of a plan, or for that matter, anything at all and any course of action for which to take? Welp, that sucks, because thinking requires the transfer of information in your brains! You're completely frozen in space at his will with no ability to think or act, and, well, you can't pull the "hit him so fast he can't execute these powers" gimmick because he's literally the essence of all things speed. Goku? Ditto! Then an infinite mass punch through the brain. Flash, going all out, is the most absurdly powerful comic book character who still counts as a superhero. The downside is that using all of his power runs the risk of him disappearing forever (except not because comic books). In a full out, 1 on 1 fight, Flash > All and it's not even close.
The speed force is far from the most powerful force in the omniverse.
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On September 11 2011 23:21 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 23:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:On September 11 2011 23:06 Paperplane wrote:On September 11 2011 22:39 FrankWalls wrote:On September 11 2011 21:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On September 11 2011 21:01 Sinensis wrote:On September 11 2011 20:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Seriously, the Goku answers baffle me. Goku isn't even the strongest character from DBZ. Yes he is and he is the only Saiyan in the Dragon Ball universe to achieve all possible transformations. ...Okay, here we go. Goku's powers pale in comparison to Vegito/Vegetto's powers, and if you watch the show that should be obvious, so no further explanation needed there. Outside of Buu and fused characters, Gohan is stronger than Goku. Why? Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, the same Buu Gohan destroyed without even trying. Game. Set. Match. i think at the end of the series goku is clearly the strongest (disregarding fusion forms...) I think Mystic Gohan comes very very close to SSJ3 Goku He's actually much, much stronger. But it's moot. Flash is the most powerful once he became the speed force. He basically is a fundamental force of the universe while still being an actual superhero, so he fits the criteria. Superman? Well, sorry, you can't do anything that pertains to movement! Oh, you'd like to attack him? Sorry, can't move. You'd like to think of a plan, or for that matter, anything at all and any course of action for which to take? Welp, that sucks, because thinking requires the transfer of information in your brains! You're completely frozen in space at his will with no ability to think or act, and, well, you can't pull the "hit him so fast he can't execute these powers" gimmick because he's literally the essence of all things speed. Goku? Ditto! Then an infinite mass punch through the brain. Flash, going all out, is the most absurdly powerful comic book character who still counts as a superhero. The downside is that using all of his power runs the risk of him disappearing forever (except not because comic books). In a full out, 1 on 1 fight, Flash > All and it's not even close. The speed force is far from the most powerful force in the omniverse.
Yeah, but it's the most powerful force any generic superhero has. A lot of people are bringing up things like The Living Tribunal and The One Above All, but that's not in the parameters of the question -- just because they're found in comic books doesn't mean they're super heros. There's plenty of non-superhero comic book characters and they are one.
The Flash is, by all accounts, your typical super hero in every way and controls ONE of the fundamental powers of the universe that makes him essentially immortal and capable of, well, all that stuff I put up there.
It's straight up farcical to put Superman over him. Flash was stronger than Superman even before he became the Speed Force.
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