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The first starwars films were not great in story telling either.
The characters were very simple and stiff. You only got to know the main characters a bit after 3 full films.
You dont even know who leads the rebellion, you know nothing about the imperator he is just the evil guy. Starwars was about the special effects and adventure all along not about the stroy telling.
What really hurts is this children crap they put in. I want to see dirt blood and rape in war and action movies and not these steril shit. I want to see strugle and not this bullshit.
This vader buring scene should be all over every battle scene and should be nothing special.
The childish approach is lame and the story telling is lame.
They should have set it darker more realistically with more storytelling and not this shit, episode 1 was an enormerous failure.
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On September 04 2011 21:26 Holy_AT wrote:
The first starwars films were not great in story telling either.
The characters were very simple and stiff. You only got to know the main characters a bit after 3 full films.
You dont even know who leads the rebellion, you know nothing about the imperator he is just the evil guy. Starwars was about the special effects and adventure all along not about the stroy telling.
What really hurts is this children crap they put in. I want to see dirt blood and rape in war and action movies and not these steril shit. I want to see strugle and not this bullshit.
This vader buring scene should be all over every battle scene and should be nothing special.
The childish approach is lame and the story telling is lame.
They should have set it darker more realistically with more storytelling and not this shit, episode 1 was an enormerous failure.
I'm trying to hold myself back....must resist....
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that's a terrible change... there is no good reason to ruin that scene, it just makes it so corny...
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On September 04 2011 21:26 Holy_AT wrote:
The first starwars films were not great in story telling either.
The characters were very simple and stiff. You only got to know the main characters a bit after 3 full films.
You dont even know who leads the rebellion, you know nothing about the imperator he is just the evil guy. Starwars was about the special effects and adventure all along not about the stroy telling.
What really hurts is this children crap they put in. I want to see dirt blood and rape in war and action movies and not these steril shit. I want to see strugle and not this bullshit.
This vader buring scene should be all over every battle scene and should be nothing special.
The childish approach is lame and the story telling is lame.
They should have set it darker more realistically with more storytelling and not this shit, episode 1 was an enormerous failure.
... Jesus fuck. That's like saying: "I didn't like Raiders of the Lost Ark because it didn't show scenes where Jews were gassed down despite the fact that there were nazis in the movie. It's unrealistic and bullshit. Nazis don't work this way."
I'm sorry, you want to see dirt blood and rape in a star wars movie? You're saying you can't make a war-scifi movie without having it be completely 100% realistic?
Yeah, I think "imperator" speaks for itself, you were probably born LONG after the original trilogy was released.
Also, by episode 1 you mean A new hope i'm assuming because of the context of the rest of the post? Well, the late 70's don't agree with you that it was an enormous failure (or an "enormerous" one for that matter).
In fact, if I recall it became the highest grossing film of all time? Yup, Star Wars broke away from what the norm was at the time (which was more dark and depressing, reflecting the war at the time) and it was HUGELY successful. Now I feel bad for responding to your post. Was it a troll? 
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On September 04 2011 21:26 Holy_AT wrote:
The first starwars films were not great in story telling either.
The characters were very simple and stiff. You only got to know the main characters a bit after 3 full films.
You dont even know who leads the rebellion, you know nothing about the imperator he is just the evil guy. Starwars was about the special effects and adventure all along not about the stroy telling.
What really hurts is this children crap they put in. I want to see dirt blood and rape in war and action movies and not these steril shit. I want to see strugle and not this bullshit.
This vader buring scene should be all over every battle scene and should be nothing special.
The childish approach is lame and the story telling is lame.
They should have set it darker more realistically with more storytelling and not this shit, episode 1 was an enormerous failure.
As has been repeated quite a few times here, episode IV was not about the overarching war, because that came later. It was about Luke Skywalker's quest. He was happily living on Tatooine, when disaster happened. He was sent on a quest and chased around the galaxy by an evil force. I agree that Darth Vader had about as much character as Darth Maul, however there is one important difference: we are properly introduced to our hero and because the villain is set on killing our hero (in fact, heroes), we hate him by proxy. The only reason anybody even knows Darth Maul is the villain is because he is black and red and has spikes on his head. Neither Qui Gon, nor Obi Wan are interesting characters, nor is the film focused on their quest. This leads to Darth Maul being an uninspired bad guy, rather than a Force of Evil, like Darth Vader.
As for the childish crap: episode IV had it too. C3PO was comic relief and a bumbling idiot kids could relate to. Chewy was endearing. However, it did not detract from the story for adults, because there were interesting empathetic characters to drive the story on. Jar Jar Binks is not only far more annoying than C3PO because of his speech, but also because he is probably the most prominent character of the movie. He stands out in his awfulness because of the blandness of everybody else.
Back ontopic: George Lucas should keep his money grubbing hands off the originals. There is no reason to remaster classics (although he legally has the right to, it is pathetic): you will not make them better, because they are loved despite, and possibly because of their flaws. Digitally removing artifacts is fine (such as making the strings invisible at the higher resolutions available on bluray), but changing the movie in any significant manner is just retarded.
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On September 04 2011 21:01 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 19:59 SoylentCreep wrote:On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote:
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome.
- Podrace was cool
- Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : / That's probably the reason why Star Wars fans are so butthurt about episode 1 (-3). Die Hard is an action movie (btw from the 80ies) and people didn't expect some masterful story behind a movie like that. They wanted action and boy did they get served. But for Star Wars people expected some more bang for their buck. Especially after 30 years of waiting the audience didn't want to see some boring stuff about trade politics and blockades, with boring characters nobody can identify with. Furthermore these characters are the most generic I have seen in a such a big blockbuster movie in a long time. None of those phantom manace characters are likeable at all. The "cool" things you mentioned are indeed well done from a purely CGI standpoint but things like that should really be just the topping on an awesome-cake made of a interesting and well-executed storyline and great characters with good (or even sometimes cheesy) dialogue like in the old movies. Somebody mentioned that phantom menace was a movie made for kids only. Honestly I can't imagine that. Imagining kids to sit through all those senate scenes only to have their moms wake them up telling them: " Look! There's this jarjar guy in the underwater city." I didn't like the earlier changes in ROTJ when they changed the last scene to show the Anakin from the new movies but changing Vader's line is kind of not necessary. To sum it up in one sentence: Changing Vader's dialogue in the BluRay's makes as much sense as changing the APM in patch 1.40. Weird choice of words, saying fans are butthurt but then going on to support their views. Anyway though, George Lucas did say that the movie was made for kids but it seems like a BS excuse for making such a bad movie. Ive always liked Star Wars but Im not one of the super fans. Still, given the quality of the first 3 films I expected a lot more from the prequels. Instead, we got shitty acting, boring plot, boring characters, and super flashy CGI. I saw it as a teenager and I was pretty disappointed. I imagine the disappointment for the true fans must have been exponentially worse Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 20:07 LetoAtreides82 wrote:On September 03 2011 01:22 Hawk wrote:This wasn't realized after the last batch of new starwars movies??? This is really stupid though  also, how many times is that bastard going to add new content and digitally remaster the same goddamn movies?? As many times as he wants, it's his movie. If you don't like it don't buy it. that doesnt mean its not stupid lol I hate it when people say stupid shit like this. Its as if you think that ownership of something means no one but the owner can voice their opinion on it.
You can voice your opinion but Lucas knows your opinion on it, has known for many years now, and he doesn't care. It's annoying to see people drone on and on about it when it's not going to do any good, you're not going to change his mind.
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On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote:
I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Do you know what would happen if Obama during a meeting with other country's official said something like "Eat shit and die!" instead of what he intended?
One line can change everything.
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I just realized that I have never seen the original star wars, only the special edition. Is that the reason I never liked Star wars in general?
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On September 05 2011 01:29 redviper wrote:
I just realized that I have never seen the original star wars, only the special edition. Is that the reason I never liked Star wars in general?
Yes.
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On September 05 2011 00:05 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote:
I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting. Do you know what would happen if Obama during a meeting with other country's official said something like "Eat shit and die!" instead of what he intended? One line can change everything.
If darth vader said "eat shit and die" it might be a big deal too :D Actually that would be pretty awesome if just before killing the emperor he went "EAT SHIT AND DIEE!"
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On September 04 2011 21:54 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 21:26 Holy_AT wrote:
The first starwars films were not great in story telling either.
The characters were very simple and stiff. You only got to know the main characters a bit after 3 full films.
You dont even know who leads the rebellion, you know nothing about the imperator he is just the evil guy. Starwars was about the special effects and adventure all along not about the stroy telling.
What really hurts is this children crap they put in. I want to see dirt blood and rape in war and action movies and not these steril shit. I want to see strugle and not this bullshit.
This vader buring scene should be all over every battle scene and should be nothing special.
The childish approach is lame and the story telling is lame.
They should have set it darker more realistically with more storytelling and not this shit, episode 1 was an enormerous failure. As has been repeated quite a few times here, episode IV was not about the overarching war, because that came later. It was about Luke Skywalker's quest. He was happily living on Tatooine, when disaster happened. He was sent on a quest and chased around the galaxy by an evil force. I agree that Darth Vader had about as much character as Darth Maul, however there is one important difference: we are properly introduced to our hero and because the villain is set on killing our hero (in fact, heroes), we hate him by proxy. The only reason anybody even knows Darth Maul is the villain is because he is black and red and has spikes on his head. Neither Qui Gon, nor Obi Wan are interesting characters, nor is the film focused on their quest. This leads to Darth Maul being an uninspired bad guy, rather than a Force of Evil, like Darth Vader. As for the childish crap: episode IV had it too. C3PO was comic relief and a bumbling idiot kids could relate to. Chewy was endearing. However, it did not detract from the story for adults, because there were interesting empathetic characters to drive the story on. Jar Jar Binks is not only far more annoying than C3PO because of his speech, but also because he is probably the most prominent character of the movie. He stands out in his awfulness because of the blandness of everybody else. Back ontopic: George Lucas should keep his money grubbing hands off the originals. There is no reason to remaster classics (although he legally has the right to, it is pathetic): you will not make them better, because they are loved despite, and possibly because of their flaws. Digitally removing artifacts is fine (such as making the strings invisible at the higher resolutions available on bluray), but changing the movie in any significant manner is just retarded.
To add to your points we also know Darth Vader is a bad guy because he FUCKING CHOKE HOLDS A DOOD 10 minutes into the film. And then does it again to his own subordinate. Darth Maul has like 2 shitty lines. Also the music when we first see vader is FUCKING EPIC, whereas we meet maul chatting w/ palpitine in some quiet area outside the senate.
And to the original complaint about storytelling, are you serious? New Hope is like THE coming of age story, and you're telling me its characters are simple? We see Han transform from a heartless space pirate to a genuinely good dood who puts the rebellion above himself (for the first time ever, look at that character development) to allow Luke to save the day. We see Luke go from a lame ass farm boy loser who day dreams about leading a meaningful life, TO A FUCKING JEDI MASTER! You think Luke had the Scarlac scene in him at the beginning of new hope. Hell no, he developed over the course of 3 films into a giant badass. Leia went from the lame princess in distress character to leading the rebel alliance.
You want to compare those arcs to the arcs in 1,2,3? Or any trilogy for that matter? Idn how you can possibly call them simple characters.
PS- Its EMPEROR
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On September 04 2011 21:49 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 21:26 Holy_AT wrote:
The first starwars films were not great in story telling either.
The characters were very simple and stiff. You only got to know the main characters a bit after 3 full films.
You dont even know who leads the rebellion, you know nothing about the imperator he is just the evil guy. Starwars was about the special effects and adventure all along not about the stroy telling.
What really hurts is this children crap they put in. I want to see dirt blood and rape in war and action movies and not these steril shit. I want to see strugle and not this bullshit.
This vader buring scene should be all over every battle scene and should be nothing special.
The childish approach is lame and the story telling is lame.
They should have set it darker more realistically with more storytelling and not this shit, episode 1 was an enormerous failure. ... Jesus fuck. That's like saying: "I didn't like Raiders of the Lost Ark because it didn't show scenes where Jews were gassed down despite the fact that there were nazis in the movie. It's unrealistic and bullshit. Nazis don't work this way." I'm sorry, you want to see dirt blood and rape in a star wars movie? You're saying you can't make a war-scifi movie without having it be completely 100% realistic? Yeah, I think "imperator" speaks for itself, you were probably born LONG after the original trilogy was released. Also, by episode 1 you mean A new hope i'm assuming because of the context of the rest of the post? Well, the late 70's don't agree with you that it was an enormous failure (or an "enormerous" one for that matter). In fact, if I recall it became the highest grossing film of all time? Yup, Star Wars broke away from what the norm was at the time (which was more dark and depressing, reflecting the war at the time) and it was HUGELY successful. Now I feel bad for responding to your post. Was it a troll?
The guy makes some fair points though. In the original movies, you're basically told that the Empire is evil, and you're expected to nod your head. They don't really elaborate on why they are evil, or what the Rebels goals are. Maybe the Rebels want to instill their own evil empire. Maybe they want to rebel because they are bored. *shrug*
As for the "imperator" comment, the guy is from Austria, he probably speaks English as a second language, cut him some slack.
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oh god that is terrible... the ewok blinking and yoda cgi is a good change though.
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George Lucas, mark my words, you will pay for this vile act!
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This is like sound of marine death in BW and SC2.
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On September 05 2011 00:05 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote:
I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting. Do you know what would happen if Obama during a meeting with other country's official said something like "Eat shit and die!" instead of what he intended? One line can change everything.
If he said that, then he get +1 awesome point?!?!?
So what if some guy hate his fans?
Maybe he just want to live a normal day life w/o being disturb?
Have you guys ever thought of that?
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I'm pretty sure he just does this kind of stuff to upset nerds that think that franchise belongs to them. It also keeps the movies sort of in the spot light.
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He knows he has borderline religious fans, he knows people are already pissed about getting Hayden Christensen as vader after death in Return of the Jedi and a lot of other stuff, so I really have to wonder if he is just doing it for the cash. I so want to belive he actually wants to improve his work, but it's getting harder and harder to the point where I am concidering that he is just sitting at home and thinking up subtle ways to piss of more fans.
This is like if at the end of Shawshank Redemtion a prison guard was standing outside the prison and shot Andy as he tried to escape on a new blu-ray version.
On September 05 2011 03:39 Xiphos wrote:If he said that, then he get +1 awesome point?!?!?
So what if some guy hate his fans?
Maybe he just want to live a normal day life w/o being disturb?
Have you guys ever thought of that? If he wants to be left alone to live his life with the shitload of cash he's made then why does he insist on shitting all over his previous work? Why can't he just let it be and stop pissing people off if he doesn't want to get disturbed?
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Can't even tell the difference... But ok
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On September 05 2011 03:31 Ferrose wrote:
As for the "imperator" comment, the guy is from Austria, he probably speaks English as a second language, cut him some slack.
The emperor's called "Imperator" in the German versions.
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