On September 04 2011 03:09 TurtlePerson2 wrote: Personally, I kind of feel sorry for George Lucas. He hasn't directed a good film since 1977. He hasn't produced a good film since 1989. He has lost most if not all of his credibility as a Hollywood great. I guess he still has a lot of money.
The man is quite wealthy, don't feel bad for him.
His company has accomplished amazing things even discounting his movies (Industrial Light and Magic).
I think the "no" is kinda of unnecessary, but it's not that bad. The new noise Obi-Wan makes to scare the sandpeople away........well that's a different story.
On September 04 2011 02:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote: I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Also, i dont get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it. I thought it had some cool stuff even though the characters were a bit boring. People always think they know better, but they probably dont. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Oh, and to that review that constantly complained about plot holes and such in phantom - watch IV V and VI - FULL of plot holes and things that dont make sense, talk about bias O.o People are overrating the early movies soooo much.
You can easily get the original versions on DVD anyways, so there really is no reason to care that much.
i don't get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it
i liked it
liked
-_- definitely won't ask you about movie recommendations.
Wouldn't say I'm a hardcore star wars fan but even I can understand why people hate that movie
- Jar Jar
- A kid piloting a starship
- The mystical force being reduced to a microorganisms
- The kid who played Anakin
- Stale characters. There is not one person who's even 1/4 as cool as Han solo or Darth Vader
- Generally just a very dull plot.
Nostalgia plays no part either, considering this is from my generation. It's just a shit movie.
-My mom's favorite character is Jar Jar lol dunno why. C-3PO has always pissed me off way more than Jar Jar.
-¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-Ignored it lol. Didn't happen.
-All kid actors are terrible, and I don't know how the movie could have been possibly made without a kid playing Anakin, lol
-I really liked Gui Gon, and Darth Maul was cool too
-Kind of agree with you there. The final battle was cool imo, and I found the scene with Gui Gon's death to be more emotionally moving than the iconic "I am your father scene", probably because of spoilers, but I'm not sure.
I watched that movie at least 10 times before I was 8, so I was kind of perplexed when I found out everyone seemed to hate it.
What was cool about Darth Maul. He is essentially the main villain apart from a hologram, he was on all the posters. So, who was he? What were his motivations? Why is he helping the Sith? If you could describe his character in 3 words what would they be? And you can't use the words 'double sided lightsaber' 'red and black' 'spikes' or 'black cloak'. Oh and no referencing additional fiction like comics or novels.
Likewise, how would you describe Darth Sidious in the original trilogy? Probably something like 'Really really evil' or 'Dark evil evil', 'lol psionic storm' etc.
Even Darth Vader, before the audience learns about him being Luke's Father etc. he is basically portrayed as a mindless drone fulfilling Sidious' deeds. It took the whole of 3 entire movies for him to develop as a character as well.
On the other hand, Darth Maul unfortunately simply didn't really get enough screen time (What, maybe 10 minutes? Haven't watched Star Wars recently, planning on doing a full marathon tho lol) for his character to develop at all. Instead of him actually becoming a more developed character over the whole trilogy he kind of just got killed off in one movie (Same story with Gui Gon). Imagine if in the duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader in Ep.IV if Darth Vader died. You'd basically have the same thing as you have with Darth Maul.
So on some levels I agree with you, it was kind of a shitty storytelling idea by Lucas. He was still IMO on par with Ep. IV's portrayal of Darth Vader, however.
On September 04 2011 17:07 Fourn wrote: I like all 6 films.
I think it is hilarious how butthurt Star Wars nerds get when someone says they like Phantom Menace.
Starwars hipsters are the hipsters of hipsters. I didn't like jarjar binks, but I did enjoy all 6 films. I won't say 1-3 are better than 4-6, but they were still good.
On September 03 2011 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 03 2011 02:50 aDd3z wrote: thats a pretty bad change but i like that yoda will be computer-generated in episode one now but i dont like the old movies (4-6) anyway so i dont really care
Please watch that. At least the five first minutes.
One of the worst reviews I've ever seen in my life. You would actually use this as your basis for proving a point?
Thanks for sharing.
That review makes numerous good points about the film.
Any potential it had at being a decent review in the first place is completely squandered by the fact that it's created to try to make everybody hate the movies. The part where he had the descriptive word test was the most obviously edited shit ever hahahahaha. Like really? Qui-gon, little Anakin, and Padme are not memorable characters? I don't know, it just tries TOO hard to make the film look bad. I agree with a few points within it but to say it's a fair portrayal of the film is absolutely wrong. It should just never be referenced in the old vs new argument, sorry
I don't know about anybody else, but when Qui-gon got impaled my heart broke. I had fallen in love with that character throughout the movie. Maybe you can credit that to Liam Neeson though
I dont really see a problem with that. If he hates the movies, his review is going to reflect his hate. If people read his review and agree with him, of course theyll hate the movies too. Thats how movie reviews work. I didnt agree with all of his points, but the review was pretty damn accurate in my opinion
Secondly, the point about unmemorable characters was one of the more valid arguments of the whole review. In the original 3 movies, each character had specific personality traits that distinguished them from each other. Luke was a hot-headed, naive fish out of water. Han was a cavalier rogue with a good heart. Leia was a stern leader with a strong sense of justice. You remember them by who they were rather than what they did. Of course what they did in the plot was also very important.
In the Phantom Menace, no one really had any memorable personalities. Padme was only memorable because Natalie Portman is sexy as hell. Anakin was only memorable because his actor was god awful. Jar Jar was memorable because he was annoying as fuck. Other than that, everyone just acted really formal/stern. No one was interesting whatsoever. Yea they were integral in the plot and what they did made them easy to remember, but just as characters they were completely forgettable and boring.
On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote: I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Also, i dont get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it. I thought it had some cool stuff even though the characters were a bit boring. People always think they know better, but they probably dont. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Oh, and to that review that constantly complained about plot holes and such in phantom - watch IV V and VI - FULL of plot holes and things that dont make sense, talk about bias O.o People are overrating the early movies soooo much.
You can easily get the original versions on DVD anyways, so there really is no reason to care that much.
The problem with the Phantom (of?) Menace isn't plot holes. It's that there is no story. There is nothing for the viewer to engage with. The viewer doesn't even know what is SUPPOSED to engage them. They aren't told what is happening or why it matters. The most exciting part of the film is a heavily choreographed sword fight between 3 people we don't care about who are fighting for a reason we do not understand and don't give a fuck about. The rest of the film is head beatingly dull bullshit about the politics and trade of space organisations that also are not explained.
Watch the bit in the Plinkett review (that's presumably the review you meant) where he asks who the main character of the Phantom Menace is. You'll see what I mean when I say there's nothing for the viewer to care about.
Man I don't even like Star Wars that much. But the Phantom Menace is fucking bad.
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : /
On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote: I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Also, i dont get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it. I thought it had some cool stuff even though the characters were a bit boring. People always think they know better, but they probably dont. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Oh, and to that review that constantly complained about plot holes and such in phantom - watch IV V and VI - FULL of plot holes and things that dont make sense, talk about bias O.o People are overrating the early movies soooo much.
You can easily get the original versions on DVD anyways, so there really is no reason to care that much.
The problem with the Phantom (of?) Menace isn't plot holes. It's that there is no story. There is nothing for the viewer to engage with. The viewer doesn't even know what is SUPPOSED to engage them. They aren't told what is happening or why it matters. The most exciting part of the film is a heavily choreographed sword fight between 3 people we don't care about who are fighting for a reason we do not understand and don't give a fuck about. The rest of the film is head beatingly dull bullshit about the politics and trade of space organisations that also are not explained.
Watch the bit in the Plinkett review (that's presumably the review you meant) where he asks who the main character of the Phantom Menace is. You'll see what I mean when I say there's nothing for the viewer to care about.
Man I don't even like Star Wars that much. But the Phantom Menace is fucking bad.
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : /
If a compilation of hysterical animated visual effects showed into a horrible nonexistent story that makes no sense at all, nonexistent characters who have 0 personality, bad humor and filmed in such horrible way and with such a lack of creativity that a computer could have done it as well, is a good follow up to the original Star Wars, well... What should I say?
Lets be honest, Phantom Menace was purely a kids film. There is nothing wrong with that exactly but George Lucas went way out of his way to make sure little kids would like and understand it. It wasn't insanely horrible, at least not like Attack of the Clones, but it was still pretty bad. That said, and I know I will get a lot of shit for saying it, Revenge of the Sith was the 2nd best Star Wars movie ever made :D.
On September 04 2011 02:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote: I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Also, i dont get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it. I thought it had some cool stuff even though the characters were a bit boring. People always think they know better, but they probably dont. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Oh, and to that review that constantly complained about plot holes and such in phantom - watch IV V and VI - FULL of plot holes and things that dont make sense, talk about bias O.o People are overrating the early movies soooo much.
You can easily get the original versions on DVD anyways, so there really is no reason to care that much.
i don't get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it
i liked it
liked
-_- definitely won't ask you about movie recommendations.
Wouldn't say I'm a hardcore star wars fan but even I can understand why people hate that movie
- Jar Jar
- A kid piloting a starship
- The mystical force being reduced to a microorganisms
- The kid who played Anakin
- Stale characters. There is not one person who's even 1/4 as cool as Han solo or Darth Vader
- Generally just a very dull plot.
Nostalgia plays no part either, considering this is from my generation. It's just a shit movie.
-My mom's favorite character is Jar Jar lol dunno why. C-3PO has always pissed me off way more than Jar Jar.
-¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-Ignored it lol. Didn't happen.
-All kid actors are terrible, and I don't know how the movie could have been possibly made without a kid playing Anakin, lol
-I really liked Gui Gon, and Darth Maul was cool too
-Kind of agree with you there. The final battle was cool imo, and I found the scene with Gui Gon's death to be more emotionally moving than the iconic "I am your father scene", probably because of spoilers, but I'm not sure.
I watched that movie at least 10 times before I was 8, so I was kind of perplexed when I found out everyone seemed to hate it.
What was cool about Darth Maul. He is essentially the main villain apart from a hologram, he was on all the posters. So, who was he? What were his motivations? Why is he helping the Sith? If you could describe his character in 3 words what would they be? And you can't use the words 'double sided lightsaber' 'red and black' 'spikes' or 'black cloak'. Oh and no referencing additional fiction like comics or novels.
Likewise, how would you describe Darth Sidious in the original trilogy? Probably something like 'Really really evil' or 'Dark evil evil', 'lol psionic storm' etc.
Even Darth Vader, before the audience learns about him being Luke's Father etc. he is basically portrayed as a mindless drone fulfilling Sidious' deeds. It took the whole of 3 entire movies for him to develop as a character as well.
Vader in the first 5 minutes of A New Hope has way more personality than anyone in episode 1...
Oh, it takes some effort to get used to the reviewer, but he's awesome and makes some great points which show that he has a good understanding on how movies work.
Damn it just seriously offends me the ways he is trying to forcefully tie the prequels together with the original trilogy. Fine he made the prequels and they were bad, so be it, I can live with that, but damn you Lucas for shoving in all the crap from the new ones into the original ones (if you can even call them that anymore..) Why can’t he just make a Blu-ray version of the originals with enhanced coloring, sharpness and such? That’s what I think most star wars fans would want, that’s what would like to see anyway.
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : /
That's probably the reason why Star Wars fans are so butthurt about episode 1 (-3). Die Hard is an action movie (btw from the 80ies) and people didn't expect some masterful story behind a movie like that. They wanted action and boy did they get served. But for Star Wars people expected some more bang for their buck. Especially after 30 years of waiting the audience didn't want to see some boring stuff about trade politics and blockades, with boring characters nobody can identify with. Furthermore these characters are the most generic I have seen in a such a big blockbuster movie in a long time. None of those phantom manace characters are likeable at all. The "cool" things you mentioned are indeed well done from a purely CGI standpoint but things like that should really be just the topping on an awesome-cake made of a interesting and well-executed storyline and great characters with good (or even sometimes cheesy) dialogue like in the old movies.
Somebody mentioned that phantom menace was a movie made for kids only. Honestly I can't imagine that. Imagining kids to sit through all those senate scenes only to have their moms wake them up telling them: " Look! There's this jarjar guy in the underwater city."
I didn't like the earlier changes in ROTJ when they changed the last scene to show the Anakin from the new movies but changing Vader's line is kind of not necessary. To sum it up in one sentence: Changing Vader's dialogue in the BluRay's makes as much sense as changing the APM in patch 1.40.
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : /
That's probably the reason why Star Wars fans are so butthurt about episode 1 (-3). Die Hard is an action movie (btw from the 80ies) and people didn't expect some masterful story behind a movie like that. They wanted action and boy did they get served. But for Star Wars people expected some more bang for their buck. Especially after 30 years of waiting the audience didn't want to see some boring stuff about trade politics and blockades, with boring characters nobody can identify with. Furthermore these characters are the most generic I have seen in a such a big blockbuster movie in a long time. None of those phantom manace characters are likeable at all. The "cool" things you mentioned are indeed well done from a purely CGI standpoint but things like that should really be just the topping on an awesome-cake made of a interesting and well-executed storyline and great characters with good (or even sometimes cheesy) dialogue like in the old movies.
Somebody mentioned that phantom menace was a movie made for kids only. Honestly I can't imagine that. Imagining kids to sit through all those senate scenes only to have their moms wake them up telling them: " Look! There's this jarjar guy in the underwater city."
I didn't like the earlier changes in ROTJ when they changed the last scene to show the Anakin from the new movies but changing Vader's line is kind of not necessary. To sum it up in one sentence: Changing Vader's dialogue in the BluRay's makes as much sense as changing the APM in patch 1.40.
The redlettermedia explains for whom these movies are made: for everybody. There is a marketing thought targeting every single category of the population, in order to attract the biggest audience: there are little kids and cartoonish creatures for little kids (which rlm explains why it's such stupid reasoning), super fast nerdy pod race for early teenagers, nice dresses all over the place for girls, boring political dialogues and laser fights for nerds, Samuel L Jackson (horribly miscasted) for the "urban market", means black people, etc etc etc.
That's part of the reason why these movies are so fucking horrible: nothing is done with any integrity, nothing is done for the movie, but to please a category of fans.
On September 03 2011 01:22 Hawk wrote: This wasn't realized after the last batch of new starwars movies???
This is really stupid though
also, how many times is that bastard going to add new content and digitally remaster the same goddamn movies??
As many times as he wants, it's his movie. If you don't like it don't buy it.
As many times as he feels he will sell few more copies because some nerds are excited to see the movie getting destroyed a little more with some gimmick crap.
It's his movie, but as an artist, you have a responsibility towards your audience and you work.
But wait, he is not an artist, he is a businessman.
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : /
That's probably the reason why Star Wars fans are so butthurt about episode 1 (-3). Die Hard is an action movie (btw from the 80ies) and people didn't expect some masterful story behind a movie like that. They wanted action and boy did they get served. But for Star Wars people expected some more bang for their buck. Especially after 30 years of waiting the audience didn't want to see some boring stuff about trade politics and blockades, with boring characters nobody can identify with. Furthermore these characters are the most generic I have seen in a such a big blockbuster movie in a long time. None of those phantom manace characters are likeable at all. The "cool" things you mentioned are indeed well done from a purely CGI standpoint but things like that should really be just the topping on an awesome-cake made of a interesting and well-executed storyline and great characters with good (or even sometimes cheesy) dialogue like in the old movies.
Somebody mentioned that phantom menace was a movie made for kids only. Honestly I can't imagine that. Imagining kids to sit through all those senate scenes only to have their moms wake them up telling them: " Look! There's this jarjar guy in the underwater city."
I didn't like the earlier changes in ROTJ when they changed the last scene to show the Anakin from the new movies but changing Vader's line is kind of not necessary. To sum it up in one sentence: Changing Vader's dialogue in the BluRay's makes as much sense as changing the APM in patch 1.40.
Weird choice of words, saying fans are butthurt but then going on to support their views.
Anyway though, George Lucas did say that the movie was made for kids but it seems like a BS excuse for making such a bad movie. Ive always liked Star Wars but Im not one of the super fans. Still, given the quality of the first 3 films I expected a lot more from the prequels. Instead, we got shitty acting, boring plot, boring characters, and super flashy CGI. I saw it as a teenager and I was pretty disappointed. I imagine the disappointment for the true fans must have been exponentially worse
On September 03 2011 01:22 Hawk wrote: This wasn't realized after the last batch of new starwars movies???
This is really stupid though
also, how many times is that bastard going to add new content and digitally remaster the same goddamn movies??
As many times as he wants, it's his movie. If you don't like it don't buy it.
that doesnt mean its not stupid lol
I hate it when people say stupid shit like this. Its as if you think that ownership of something means no one but the owner can voice their opinion on it.
On September 04 2011 02:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote: I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Also, i dont get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it. I thought it had some cool stuff even though the characters were a bit boring. People always think they know better, but they probably dont. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Oh, and to that review that constantly complained about plot holes and such in phantom - watch IV V and VI - FULL of plot holes and things that dont make sense, talk about bias O.o People are overrating the early movies soooo much.
You can easily get the original versions on DVD anyways, so there really is no reason to care that much.
i don't get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it
i liked it
liked
-_- definitely won't ask you about movie recommendations.
Wouldn't say I'm a hardcore star wars fan but even I can understand why people hate that movie
- Jar Jar
- A kid piloting a starship
- The mystical force being reduced to a microorganisms
- The kid who played Anakin
- Stale characters. There is not one person who's even 1/4 as cool as Han solo or Darth Vader
- Generally just a very dull plot.
Nostalgia plays no part either, considering this is from my generation. It's just a shit movie.
-My mom's favorite character is Jar Jar lol dunno why. C-3PO has always pissed me off way more than Jar Jar.
-¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-Ignored it lol. Didn't happen.
-All kid actors are terrible, and I don't know how the movie could have been possibly made without a kid playing Anakin, lol
-I really liked Gui Gon, and Darth Maul was cool too
-Kind of agree with you there. The final battle was cool imo, and I found the scene with Gui Gon's death to be more emotionally moving than the iconic "I am your father scene", probably because of spoilers, but I'm not sure.
I watched that movie at least 10 times before I was 8, so I was kind of perplexed when I found out everyone seemed to hate it.
What was cool about Darth Maul. He is essentially the main villain apart from a hologram, he was on all the posters. So, who was he? What were his motivations? Why is he helping the Sith? If you could describe his character in 3 words what would they be? And you can't use the words 'double sided lightsaber' 'red and black' 'spikes' or 'black cloak'. Oh and no referencing additional fiction like comics or novels.
Likewise, how would you describe Darth Sidious in the original trilogy? Probably something like 'Really really evil' or 'Dark evil evil', 'lol psionic storm' etc.
Even Darth Vader, before the audience learns about him being Luke's Father etc. he is basically portrayed as a mindless drone fulfilling Sidious' deeds. It took the whole of 3 entire movies for him to develop as a character as well.
On the other hand, Darth Maul unfortunately simply didn't really get enough screen time (What, maybe 10 minutes? Haven't watched Star Wars recently, planning on doing a full marathon tho lol) for his character to develop at all. Instead of him actually becoming a more developed character over the whole trilogy he kind of just got killed off in one movie (Same story with Gui Gon). Imagine if in the duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader in Ep.IV if Darth Vader died. You'd basically have the same thing as you have with Darth Maul.
So on some levels I agree with you, it was kind of a shitty storytelling idea by Lucas. He was still IMO on par with Ep. IV's portrayal of Darth Vader, however.
Darth Vader in Episode IV may not have a multi layered character but he was a strong, functional villain. From the moment he is introduced it is made clear that he is the bad guy of the movie. Our reasons for disliking him are made clear and plentiful. He imprisons and tortures Princess Leia. He blows up a planet. He does evil shit. We are told that he killed the heroes father. His background is explained not in depth but enough to establish a character; he is the right arm of the empire, feared but also a relic of an older time and the last practiser of an ancient magical art.
All this time we also have the hero characters which for various reasons we relate to and like SO much more than the ones in Episode 1. Since we like the hero and the hero is set against our functional villain, we share in the victory when the hero overcomes the villain.
These are the 8 points of a classic story arc. Episode IV has many of them. Episode IV is a very simple story, based on dozens of classic tales before it. It's part of the reason it works. However none of these apply to Episode I. Even the dumbest action movie has a basic plot arc but Episode 1 doesn't. We aren't introduced to a hero. We don't understand what they are fighting for. We don't understand what the basic motivation of the villain is other than 'kill dudes' and we don't understand why we should root for the 'heroes' over him. So when is comes to the final scenes it's just 3 guys hitting eachother with laser swords. Fine if all you want is mindless overchorerographed fighting.
On September 04 2011 01:37 Deadlyfish wrote: I dont get why this is such a big deal, it's one line in the movie, sure it might be silly, but people are overreacting.
Also, i dont get the hate about Phantom of Menace, i liked it. I thought it had some cool stuff even though the characters were a bit boring. People always think they know better, but they probably dont. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Oh, and to that review that constantly complained about plot holes and such in phantom - watch IV V and VI - FULL of plot holes and things that dont make sense, talk about bias O.o People are overrating the early movies soooo much.
You can easily get the original versions on DVD anyways, so there really is no reason to care that much.
The problem with the Phantom (of?) Menace isn't plot holes. It's that there is no story. There is nothing for the viewer to engage with. The viewer doesn't even know what is SUPPOSED to engage them. They aren't told what is happening or why it matters. The most exciting part of the film is a heavily choreographed sword fight between 3 people we don't care about who are fighting for a reason we do not understand and don't give a fuck about. The rest of the film is head beatingly dull bullshit about the politics and trade of space organisations that also are not explained.
Watch the bit in the Plinkett review (that's presumably the review you meant) where he asks who the main character of the Phantom Menace is. You'll see what I mean when I say there's nothing for the viewer to care about.
Man I don't even like Star Wars that much. But the Phantom Menace is fucking bad.
I get that there is almost no story. I also like Die Hard, not for the story, but for the visuals and the amazing action. There are so many movies where you dont really care about the story, you just want to enjoy the action. You dont NEED a main character always.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
Yes, the movie isnt deep and might not have the same atmosphere and feeling as the other star wars movies, but i bet if it wasnt called "star wars" and it was just a seperate sci fi movie then people wouldnt be calling it bad. Oh well : /
Die Hard is an action movie but not a mindless action movie. For action to have intensity there has to be something at stake, i.e. you have to care about the characters. There's no set up for that in Episode I. I absolutely can't agree that it's possible to have an enjoyable action movie with nothing at stake. You're telling me you'd like to go to the cinema and just watch literally 2 hours of fighting and explosions? With no characters? I find that hard to believe.
Films like Die Hard, action movies that have remained popular, have done so because they are based in strong, simple, functional story arcs.
And although the story is flimsy and not very well done, i did understand it. It was pretty simple... Not sure how people dont get it.
Really. Tell me, what was the purpose of the blockade over Naboo that the whole film focused on? What supplies were the Naboo not getting that they needed? Why were the Trade Federation following a holograms orders? What was the holograms motivation and more crucially how was his eventual victory achieved?
- The underwater city was awesome. - Podrace was cool - Jedi's kicking robot ass was enjoyable.
I'm afraid I cannot agree. This is purely opinion now, but to me the underwater city was a pointless excursion to some city full of annoying assholes, the podrace was a stupendously overlong and purposeless sequence, and Jedi kicking robot ass holds nothing but boredom for me. As Plinkett said in his review, when the main adversaries of your heroes fall apart like butter and pose absolutely no threat then the action is unenjoyable. I found nothing to enjoy in watching a couple of actors swing out well practised moves on machines that literally crumbled without resistance.
Anyway I've clearly gone on for way too long about something I don't really care about, but I'll just say that if Episode I was just some sci fi film and not a Star Wars film, we definitely would have called it fucking awful. But we wouldn't still be talking about it.
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