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On February 24 2012 00:11 TheAntZ wrote:
Of course it is, because if a theory is correct its no longer a theory. Its a law.

On February 24 2012 02:10 zalz wrote:


People always say that.

But where is the logic behind forcing women to wear a veil? You aren't dealing with a rational enemy, you are dealing with a theocracy, one that regularly gets into heated arguments with Israel.

And we have a 101 customs that ate utterly irrational to the,. This isnt an argument for anything

Israel and Iran both have vested interests in the Israel/Palestina conflict. Now every time Israrel and Palestina get into a tussle, we have to take into account that Iran and Israel might start lobbing nukes at one another?

And what about Saudi-Arabia? You can bet your life savings on the fact that they are going to try and get a nuke of their own. Now we have two countries, both fanatically religious (Saudi-Arabia even more than Iran) with nuclear weapons. Both of which hate the other and both of which hate the west and both of which hate Israel.

Israel has the world biggest superpower behind its back and is the only power with nukes in the middle east. They know it and they willfully vully surrounding nations to do there bidding. Iran wants a nuke to protect there own interest and considering Americas war-mongering i dont blame them

One of which is run by a thieving band of royals whom rely on a group of salafist imams for support. It isn't a coincidence that most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi-Arabia. They really hate our guts over there.

Lets see, the west removed Palastinians from there land with force. placed Israel there and has since been toppeling goverments and inserting puppet dictators who have terrorised the population with western resources in exchange for oil. I wonder why they hate us. Oh and we randomly invade there countrys for shits and giggles.

Iran's government might hate us, but the people in Iran are actually reasonably western by middle-eastern standards. Saudi-Arabia just hates us from top to bottom. The only reason they are BFF's with America is because they hate Iran more than America.

The people of Iran. The same people who put the leaders there themselves after they overthrew a dictatorship placed there after a CIA coup of a lawfull democractic goverment.

Saudi-Arabia is going to collapse as soon as the oil runs out. What are they left with then? Their secularish royal family will get killed without their obscene ammount of money. Then we have the salafists in charge. Don't expect Saudi-Arabia to modernize its economy. The religious core was already calling the telephone an obscene intrusion of western culture.

What logic is there behind flying yourself into a building? Logic does not dictate the world and it certainly does not dictate the middle-east and it most certainly does not dictate saudi-arabian salafist imams.

Even if Iran doesn't throw the bomb, we are still facing a Saudi-Arabia that will get the bomb in return. Iran's regime with a bomb scares me, if Saudi-Arabia gets a bomb I will seriously start digging a shelter.

You just can't let these countries get a bomb. Complain all you like about how it isn't fair because we have nukes. I am not going to let the world go down in a nuclear holocaust because of "fairness."

On February 24 2012 03:00 Mindcrime wrote:




That's not how it works. Theory and law serve two different functions.

On February 24 2012 04:31 Castrophy wrote:
I don't understand why everyone is always for protecting Israel. I understand that they are our ally but in reality they are the most hated country in the middle east and cause a lot of our problems there. If we were to say to Iran hey we don't want to butt into what you're doing unless it's going to hurt or harm us to you really think that they would launch a nuke at the US. I think you would have to be crazy to believe that Iran would ever try and go into nuclear warfare with the United States even if you believe the whole country is "radical islamists".

On February 24 2012 04:31 Castrophy wrote:
I don't understand why everyone is always for protecting Israel. I understand that they are our ally but in reality they are the most hated country in the middle east and cause a lot of our problems there. If we were to say to Iran hey we don't want to butt into what you're doing unless it's going to hurt or harm us to you really think that they would launch a nuke at the US. I think you would have to be crazy to believe that Iran would ever try and go into nuclear warfare with the United States even if you believe the whole country is "radical islamists".

On February 24 2012 05:11 DoubleReed wrote:
I dunno, Greece and Turkey hate each other but they aren't bombing each other. I certainly think Israel and the middle east can coexist. I think may take more economic and social change. Israel is becoming more fundamentalist which is obviously not helping things though. I don't think anything is inevitable.

On February 24 2012 05:16 Djzapz wrote:

Greece and Turkey hate each other for reasons which are less ingrained into the traditions of the countries as far as I know. Don't forget, Israel has Jerusalem which is no small thing. Also the creation of Israel was not executed in the cleanest of ways.

On February 24 2012 05:22 DoubleReed wrote:


Yea but just because people hate each other doesn't mean they want to kill each other. That's my main point. It's not like they have to be buddies. We just have to get the countries to see mutual benefits to each others existence. Money and trade, baby.

On February 24 2012 05:28 Djzapz wrote:

Well let's not bother with the "what could have been", the fact is that in the current conjuncture, those countries are fundamentally fervently opposed. That can't be fixed by good intentions or trade though. You can't pep talk people into becoming friends, especially not after people on both sides have lost family and friends and there's this general sense of unfairness that cannot be fixed, at least not for this generation or the next.

On February 24 2012 05:37 DoubleReed wrote:


What? I'm not talking about what if situations. I'm talking about right now.

I think you underestimate trade and money in its effects on regional stability. Many populations in the middle east is getting frustrated with anti Israeli sentiments because they don't see how it's going to actually help the issues in their countries. They still hate Israel of course, but they want to better their own lives more.

My whole point was that they don't have to become friends. Stable peace is the goal.

On February 24 2012 05:51 zalz wrote:


I think you might be underestimating the scope of anti-semitism in the middle-east. It is really extremely prevalent.

I don't know if people in the middle-east really want to improve their own lives more than that they hate jews or hate non-believers. Remember all those protests calling for the death of a cartoonist in Sweden? I mean, are you serious? Are you people really complaining about a cartoon whilst your own governments are fucking you over like that?

I think a lot of people in the middle-east believe that their problems are the result of jews. Their governments are more than eager to shift blame from themselves to Israel.

Jews also suffer a rather peculiar form of racism. Most racism is aimed at the perceived notion that a certain minority is under performing or not adapting to the main culture. Jews on the other hand seem to get accused of over-performing and controlling the world.


It isn't unheard of that people blame others for their problems. I think we recently had a thread where Serbians began to blame the US for making them go out and commit genocide.

Given how far people can twist and bend logic, I don't think it's unheard of that some people might honestly believe that Israel is the cause of their poverty.

On February 24 2012 05:51 zalz wrote:


I think you might be underestimating the scope of anti-semitism in the middle-east. It is really extremely prevalent.

I don't know if people in the middle-east really want to improve their own lives more than that they hate jews or hate non-believers. Remember all those protests calling for the death of a cartoonist in Sweden? I mean, are you serious? Are you people really complaining about a cartoon whilst your own governments are fucking you over like that?

I think a lot of people in the middle-east believe that their problems are the result of jews. Their governments are more than eager to shift blame from themselves to Israel.

Jews also suffer a rather peculiar form of racism. Most racism is aimed at the perceived notion that a certain minority is under performing or not adapting to the main culture. Jews on the other hand seem to get accused of over-performing and controlling the world.


It isn't unheard of that people blame others for their problems. I think we recently had a thread where Serbians began to blame the US for making them go out and commit genocide.

Given how far people can twist and bend logic, I don't think it's unheard of that some people might honestly believe that Israel is the cause of their poverty.

On February 24 2012 06:15 DoubleReed wrote:


I may be mistaken of course. But it sounded like frustrations of anti Israel sentiments not benefiting anyone was growing significantly, even if it is still the minority. I thought this was a recent trend in attitudes in the region.

And come on, I'm not saying it's going to be easy. But the world changes pretty quickly nowadays, and I'm not sure what the situation will look like in a generation.