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Dzemoo
48 Posts
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Yongwang
United States196 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:16 Focuspants wrote: Again, factually false. Not leaving the poor to die, is not becoming a welfare state. Our middle class is still robust here in Canada. It is the majority. Your middle class is decayed, and is continuing to crumble. Your country has alienated everyone but the very rich, and has tricked you into believing that you are somehow on the path to becoming great. Nobody has forced anything on you, because you have NEVER held any of these policies ever. Obamas healthcare plan basically only gave healthcare to those that cant afford it, and put regulations on insurance companies so they cant refuse to pick up, or drop people because they feel like saving money. How is that bad, and how does it make you less free? You are so ridiculous, you make it very clear that a significant portion of your population is brain washed. Look at some of the employment rates, the standard of living, average income, minimum wage, etc... of the countries I have listed, and see how they are far better in ALL of them, than in the US. You are delusional, and believe what you hear, instead of looking at the rest of the world and realizing, factually, you are being taken for a ride. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are brainwashed? Are you so arrogant that you believe establishing a welfare state is the only right way to run a government? And I agree with you on something here, our politicians on BOTH SIDES are serving the elites and not the people. | ||
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:03 Yongwang wrote: If you think there is anything moderate about Obama, then I feel sorry for you. He might be "centre-right" in a socialist or communist country, but in a freedom loving country, he is anything but. In my country Obama would be a far-right candidate. I dont feel like a slave in my communist country. Its a strange world. | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:16 Yongwang wrote: How am I far-right? Far-right are the religious bigots who hate gays and abortion. I'm actually very liberal (or rather, libertarian) on social issues and I'm fiscally conservative. I'm not opposed to all welfare, I think that some people do genuinely need government assistance, such as disabled people. I am however opposed to able bodied people who refuse to even try to work, and instead beg for handouts and live comfortably off of people who actually work for a living. Foreign policy aside, is that really much different from yourself? Ok here, I am going to blow your mind. When 1% of your population has 90% of the wealth, how would it even be possible for every able bodied person to be able to work and make a living? The more the top controls, the less the rest have. This is why a stable and fruitful middle class is SO important. Policy should drive everyone into the middle class. The US has instilled illusions of grandeur into the minds of everyone in the country, pushing everyone to think they can become rich. By definition, for there to be rich, there has to be poor. The more the rich control, the less of a middle class there is, the more poor there are. If youre actually intellectually void enough to believe that with your countries division of wealth everyone can just get up and work and make an honest living, I feel sorry for you. Its simple math. There is only so much money to go around, and almost all of it is controlled by a few people. This leaves little for the average person, and less-nothing for the less fortunate. This is why your country will never reach its true potential. Not because Obama wants the poor to not die because they cant afford a doctor. | ||
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Yongwang
United States196 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:21 Undrass wrote: In my country Obama would be a far-right candidate. I dont feel like a slave in my communist country. Its a strange world. Obama wants to "fundamentally transform" (his words, not mine) America into a country like Norway, so how would he be far-right? Obama's views are in-line with the mainstream left in Europe. | ||
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:21 Yongwang wrote: Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are brainwashed? Are you so arrogant that you believe establishing a welfare state is the only right way to run a government? And I agree with you on something here, our politicians on BOTH SIDES are serving the elites and not the people. just fyi, welfare state !=socialism or for that matter, welfare state != anything that isn't conservative | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:23 Yongwang wrote: Obama wants to "fundamentally transform" (his words, not mine) America into a country like Norway, so how would he be far-right? Obama's views are in-line with the mainstream left in Europe. If you think hes in line with countries like Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc... (all of the left bastions) you are again, delusional. We have 3 major parties here, one is conservative (right of center) one is liberal (moderate) and one is social (left). Obama would most closely line up with our conservative party. | ||
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Dzemoo
48 Posts
Honestly, who are you to tell someone what to do with their hard working money? They're the 1% for a reason, because they worked harder in one day then you did in your whole life. | ||
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:25 Dzemoo wrote: Lol I'm tried of hearing these Liberals whine about the 1%. Honestly, who are you to tell someone what to do with their hard working money? They're the 1% for a reason, because they worked harder in one day then you did in your whole life. Have you ever met a fry-cook, strawberry picker, or a janitor in your life? Salary positions in banks that use purely algorithmic trading (ie. investing in companies based on what their prices are, regardless of what they actually make or how viable they are) start at 200k per year. It's hard work, but it's not directly a value-added service to society. Liberals don't hate the 1% (unless they happen to be part of the Wall Street crew that tanked the economy), they just think that taxing those who make more than 1 million a year by an extra 2 percent surcharge is a reasonable price to pay for billions of dollars towards say, quality education for a run-down neighborhood. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:25 Dzemoo wrote: Lol I'm tried of hearing these Liberals whine about the 1%. Honestly, who are you to tell someone what to do with their hard working money? They're the 1% for a reason, because they worked harder in one day then you did in your whole life. how do you measure how hard you've worked? | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:25 Dzemoo wrote: Lol I'm tried of hearing these Liberals whine about the 1%. Honestly, who are you to tell someone what to do with their hard working money? They're the 1% for a reason, because they worked harder in one day then you did in your whole life. HAHAHAHA typical. Americans make me laugh. Read my post above. Your system is set up to make 1% of the people succeed. A system set up to have a thriving middle class (the majority of what people should be) is far mroe successful overall. Its like the Colbert Reports great sketch; the poor are just lazy. If everyone worked hard, they could ALL be part of the 1%! It makes me laugh how easily people are duped into believing that the only factor that goes into your income is how hard you work. Some of the hardest workign people are poor. A single mother working 100 hours a week at 3 jobs works harder than almost anyone. You are so ridiculous. *EDIT, not all Americans, unfortunately the 50% of your country that are insane like these posters ruin it for the rest of you  | ||
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Dzemoo
48 Posts
By how rich you are. On February 12 2012 07:29 SerpentFlame wrote: Have you ever met a fry-cook, strawberry picker, or a janitor in your life? Salary positions in banks that use purely algorithmic trading (ie. investing in companies based on what their prices are, regardless of what they actually make or how viable they are) start at 200k per year. It's hard work, but it's not directly a value-added service to society. Liberals don't hate the 1% (unless they happen to be part of the Wall Street crew that tanked the economy), they just think that taxing those who make more than 1 million a year by an extra 2 percent surcharge is a reasonable price to pay for billions of dollars towards improving say, public education. Lol are you saying fry-cooks deserve the money that ceo's have? My families net worth is around 1 million dollars, and we're going to expand our business and hopefully triple that. It's not my duty to pay extra money to some drug abuser who doesn't want to work. And it would be nice to pay taxes if they actually went to schools, but I'd rather not, seeing as how most of our taxes just go to the military. Either way, the U.S. has strong problems with it's education budget and management (for example, Dallas ISD recently bought 500 ipads, but are closing down 5 different schools.) So I don't even want to pay taxes for this. All these government programs that Liberals endorse just help the lazy leech off society and they don't encourage hard work. I'm tired of it. There is a reason West EU is going to crap. On February 12 2012 07:29 Focuspants wrote: HAHAHAHA typical. Americans make me laugh. Read my post above. Your system is set up to make 1% of the people succeed. A system set up to have a thriving middle class (the majority of what people should be) is far mroe successful overall. Its like the Colbert Reports great sketch; the poor are just lazy. If everyone worked hard, they could ALL be part of the 1%! It makes me laugh how easily people are duped into believing that the only factor that goes into your income is how hard you work. Some of the hardest workign people are poor. A single mother working 100 hours a week at 3 jobs works harder than almost anyone. You are so ridiculous. *EDIT, not all Americans, unfortunately the 50% of your country that are insane like these posters ruin it for the rest of you Are you really calling me insane because I value hard work and not leeching off society? Go ahead, call me insane. I'll just call you a little pussy. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
how do you measure how hard you've worked? By how rich you are. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
So you're rich because you're rich? Great job dude, I think you nailed it. | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
Do we have any economically successful countries with moderate social disparity in the world? Yes we do, they are called Scandinavian countries. Feel free to look them up. Now look at their system. You are looking at a system that, speaking on relative terms, works very well. Compare it to your own system and realize where it is failing. If you are retarded enough to call Obama a socialist, I guess you see these as radically socialist countries. In fact, in your own mind and according to undisputed objective facts, you believe socialism works better than capitalism. Nice. Do we have any safe countries with very low crime rates and practically inexistent fatal crimes? Of course, I happen to live in one. Do they have gun control? You bet they do. You see, the average sociopath or deranged 15-year-old "player" cannot kill or even injure an upstanding human without a gun at his disposal. If people carried guns where I live I would already be dead on numerous occasions. Luckily for me, it is practically impossible to acquire a gun in Slovenia and if you get caught with one, you go to jail. This means that people who want to murder me, for example because their girlfriend likes me, or I happen to annoy them, or they are retarded children "who don't give a fuck", or we happen to have a drunken argument actually have to fight me and somehow this makes it a lot harder for them to kill me. Can you imagine? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Mitt Romney hoped to reinvigorate his presidential prospects with a victory in Maine's GOP caucuses Saturday while Ron Paul reached for his first triumph in what shaped up as a two-man race because neither Newt Gingrich nor Rick Santorum actively competed in the state . This contest received far less attention than others on the calendar so far, but emerged as a crucial opportunity for Romney, the early front-runner now trying to stabilize his campaign after embarrassing rout Tuesday in Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri. Santorum won all three, further exposing the problems Romney faces in uniting conservatives behind his bid to challenge President Barack Obama. "I want to ask for your help today," the former Massachusetts governor told Portland caucus-goers in a packed school auditorium. "If I get your vote, it'll help me become our nominee. If I become our nominee, I'm going to beat this guy and bring America back." Romney visited two caucus sites Saturday after abandoning plans to take the day off. The change was evidence that his campaign can ill-afford another loss, particularly in a state so close to home and one that he won easily in his unsuccessful 2008 campaign for the nomination. Source | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 12 2012 07:40 Djabanete wrote: So you're rich because you're rich? Great job dude, I think you nailed it. The circularity of the argument is almost beautiful. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
Yes. Trustfund kinds had to suffer through all that elite education where people actually noticed if you showed up. If only they could've been having fun smoking weed too. | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works [...] | ||
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