On February 03 2012 14:03 eyeballball3 wrote: Makes sense to me. People should have health savings account or buy their own health insurance independent from the government. Having on mandate on insurance is worst than having a mandate on high school education. Government should only do what people can't do best themselves. Whenever government intervenes with anything, the prices inflate so much that a normal person can buy their health insurance independently. Look at what happened to education when government got involved.
yep and while we're at it let's ditch the post office for private couriers (nevermind people who live in rural areas that are too expensive to service), stop paving roads (private toll roads were just find) and go back to having private armies (hey, they worked in Europe for hundreds of years, who are we to say no to that?!)
I mean, just look at all of these countries and how much they waste on health care while us glorious Americans enjoy the low costs provided by our private insurers!
Ditching the post office for private couriers is an excellent idea and will likely come to fruition whether people like it or not. The USPS is going bankrupt because it is being restrained by law to not follow good business practice and is forced to live with one hundred year old idealogy.
Why do I have to have money taken from me because people choose to live in the middle of no where? Since when is it a right to dodge the costs of making a life decision on where to live? If people choose to live in the middle of nowhere, it is a choice and they should have to live with that choice good and bad.
On February 03 2012 14:17 Rabbet wrote: With the extra 6 per year I would save on taxes I would likely put an addition on our cabin and build a better boat house.
you hear that guys? he has to put an addition on his house and build a better boat house
gee, sorry to ask you to help people who are dying with a few dollars.
what a dick.
You're not trying to ask him though, you're trying to force him. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to force tax payment for health care, just that it's not exactly "asking" when you go to jail if you refuse to pay the tax.
On February 03 2012 14:29 Vasoline73 wrote: You're not trying to ask him though, you're trying to force him. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to force tax payment for health care, just that it's not exactly "asking" when you go to jail if you refuse to pay the tax.
he has a choice.
participate in society and pay his taxes
or the firemen dont come to his house when it's on fire.
On February 03 2012 14:17 Rabbet wrote: With the extra 6 per year I would save on taxes I would likely put an addition on our cabin and build a better boat house.
you hear that guys? he has to put an addition on his house and build a better boat house
gee, sorry to ask you to help people who are dying with a few dollars.
what a dick.
The addition would be for the cabin, we already put a 1500 sq ft addition on the house.
You are asking me to give money to help people who are dying, and we do. We give nice sums to charities every year(part of a tax loop hole). But what I am arguing against is the theft of my hard earned dollars, through taxation, to support a mandate that government has no business being in(healthcare).
If you want to live under a rock and ignore the facts, that's fine by me.
Most people have tens of thousands of 9th cousins. What a ridiculously stupid point to make. Obviously because they are so minisculely related it means they are the exact same politician /rollseye
Your stupid propaganda posts just make me want to vote for RP less and less, and a few months ago he was my 2nd choice behind Hunstman
On February 03 2012 14:29 Vasoline73 wrote: You're not trying to ask him though, you're trying to force him. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to force tax payment for health care, just that it's not exactly "asking" when you go to jail if you refuse to pay the tax.
he has a choice.
participate in society and pay his taxes
or the firemen dont come to his house when it's on fire.
Funny you should mention that, the majority of firemen in the united states are volunteers which are funded through private donations and local, small-scale taxes.
On February 03 2012 14:29 Vasoline73 wrote: You're not trying to ask him though, you're trying to force him. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to force tax payment for health care, just that it's not exactly "asking" when you go to jail if you refuse to pay the tax.
he has a choice.
participate in society and pay his taxes
or the firemen dont come to his house when it's on fire.
It is funny you mention that firemen wouldn't come here if there was a fire. We have a sprinkler system that if the temperature ever goes to a certain level it will set off the sprinklers in the hot zone. So yes, I would like to not have to pay to have firemen sitting around waiting to help me in a non-existent emergency because my house would never burn down. We paid for this system to bring the cost of our insurance down(yes were stilled insured) and bring the level of safety of our home up.
On February 03 2012 14:29 Vasoline73 wrote: You're not trying to ask him though, you're trying to force him. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to force tax payment for health care, just that it's not exactly "asking" when you go to jail if you refuse to pay the tax.
he has a choice.
participate in society and pay his taxes
or the firemen dont come to his house when it's on fire.
lol actually no, he doesn't have a choice. Unless you want to say that the choice is "pay or get thrown in jail." If it was as simple as "pay or you won't receive government services" then I don't think any libertarian in the world would have a problem with the system.
On February 03 2012 14:48 liberal wrote: If it was as simple as "pay or you won't receive government services" then I don't think any libertarian in the world would have a problem with the system.
he could try moving to a libertarian commune. unfortunately they tend not to last too long given that libertarianism is silly in practice.
oh, and btw it doesnt have to be firemen. it could be the police. or it could be the army which protects you from random Eric Prince types from shooting you and taking your stuff. where I live currently taxes pay for the firemen. and ****'s on fire all the time.
I have two guns, a security system that is monitored by a private enterprise, and two dogs. I'd rather be self-reliant than call the police who will take 15 minutes to get here. No doubt you'd also promote a system that limits my ability to purchase a firearm and defend myself.
On February 03 2012 14:03 eyeballball3 wrote: Makes sense to me. People should have health savings account or buy their own health insurance independent from the government. Having on mandate on insurance is worst than having a mandate on high school education. Government should only do what people can't do best themselves. Whenever government intervenes with anything, the prices inflate so much that a normal person can buy their health insurance independently. Look at what happened to education when government got involved.
yep and while we're at it let's ditch the post office for private couriers (nevermind people who live in rural areas that are too expensive to service), stop paving roads (private toll roads were just find) and go back to having private armies (hey, they worked in Europe for hundreds of years, who are we to say no to that?!)
I mean, just look at all of these countries and how much they waste on health care while us glorious Americans enjoy the low costs provided by our private insurers!
Ditching the post office for private couriers is an excellent idea and will likely come to fruition whether people like it or not. The USPS is going bankrupt because it is being restrained by law to not follow good business practice and is forced to live with one hundred year old idealogy.
Why do I have to have money taken from me because people choose to live in the middle of no where? Since when is it a right to dodge the costs of making a life decision on where to live? If people choose to live in the middle of nowhere, it is a choice and they should have to live with that choice good and bad.
The USPS is going bankrupt because it's being forced to adopt a long term service agreement which forces it to pay for all SS and Medicare mail for the next 70 years in the next 10 years. After it's over, the USPS will probably be hailed as a perfect model for moving postage, running a healthy budget surplus. However, right now, it's politically expedient to target it as a huge bureaucratic nightmare.
On February 03 2012 14:57 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I have two guns, a security system that is monitored by a private enterprise, and two dogs. I'd rather be self-reliant than call the police who will take 15 minutes to get here. No doubt you'd also promote a system that limits my ability to purchase a firearm and defend myself.
Are you under the impression that the only thing police do is protect people's homes?
On February 03 2012 14:34 Rabbet wrote: But what I am arguing against is the theft of my hard earned dollars, through taxation, to support a mandate that government has no business being in(healthcare).
such short sightedness, such selfishness, such ingratitude.
your "hard earned dollars"? what a joke. even if you went to private school, rode through the woods on a bicycle you made your damn self and killed/grew all of your own food the people you work with who make your income possible use the public infrastructure, public safety and public health.
you are NOTHING without society and if you want to see how fast your little fantasy evaporates take it to a country where the government really doesnt do anything, including taking your money. I hear Etheopia is nice. Somalia, too.
whoever taught you about government and/or history failed miserably to instill in you an appreciation for the social contract and what it means to be a good citizen.
you speak of theft? someone seems to have robbed you of your common sense.
On February 03 2012 14:34 Rabbet wrote: But what I am arguing against is the theft of my hard earned dollars, through taxation, to support a mandate that government has no business being in(healthcare).
such short sightedness, such selfishness, such ingratitude.
your "hard earned dollars"? what a joke. even if you went to private school, rode through the woods on a bicycle you made your damn self and killed/grew all of your own food the people you work with who make your income possible use the public infrastructure, public safety and public health.
you are NOTHING without society and if you want to see how fast your little fantasy evaporates take it to a country where the government really doesnt do anything, including taking your money. I hear Etheopia is nice. Somalia, too.
whoever taught you about government and/or history failed miserably to instill in you an appreciation for the social contract and what it means to be a good citizen.
you speak of theft? someone seems to have robbed you of your common sense.
I feel like people lose sigh of the fact that government and community was established for a reason. There was once a time where a pack of bandits would ride over to your property, rape your wife, kill her, kill you, then steal all your shit. Just tough luck! When suddenly, people started to realize that kinda blows, so slowly but surely, we are where we are today, where we never have to worry about such things. Businesses are protected, people are protected. We don't have to lay our own roads to get places, we don't have to generate our own electricity, we don't have to find our own water source. And you know what, I think that's a great thing that we've come this far. I feel like those services are worth the taxes I pay. In fact, I'd say I get a really good deal.
On February 03 2012 14:57 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I have two guns, a security system that is monitored by a private enterprise, and two dogs. I'd rather be self-reliant than call the police who will take 15 minutes to get here. No doubt you'd also promote a system that limits my ability to purchase a firearm and defend myself.
Are you under the impression that the only thing police do is protect people's homes?
Oh, they also give me tickets for driving in the carpool lane.
On February 03 2012 14:34 Rabbet wrote: But what I am arguing against is the theft of my hard earned dollars, through taxation, to support a mandate that government has no business being in(healthcare).
such short sightedness, such selfishness, such ingratitude.
your "hard earned dollars"? what a joke. even if you went to private school, rode through the woods on a bicycle you made your damn self and killed/grew all of your own food the people you work with who make your income possible use the public infrastructure, public safety and public health.
you are NOTHING without society and if you want to see how fast your little fantasy evaporates take it to a country where the government really doesnt do anything, including taking your money. I hear Etheopia is nice. Somalia, too.
whoever taught you about government and/or history failed miserably to instill in you an appreciation for the social contract and what it means to be a good citizen.
you speak of theft? someone seems to have robbed you of your common sense.
Social contract? Ok, so if I have to hold up my end of this contract why doesn't the government have to hold up its end? It comes down to who has the power and as it stands the government has the power. If I take someones money, I go to jail. Yet the government takes my money unwillingly ever tax year, and so what? The government was never created by the people for the people to intrude on our lives and force us into doing things we do not want to do(giving away my own money). I don't disregard the social contract, I don't steal from people and I don't use violence against people, but it is quite hypocritical that government abuses the powers that we have given them and people like you try to contort the view that keeping what is rightfully ours into a negative thing like shortsightedness, selfishness and ingratitude.
On February 03 2012 14:34 Rabbet wrote: But what I am arguing against is the theft of my hard earned dollars, through taxation, to support a mandate that government has no business being in(healthcare).
such short sightedness, such selfishness, such ingratitude.
your "hard earned dollars"? what a joke. even if you went to private school, rode through the woods on a bicycle you made your damn self and killed/grew all of your own food the people you work with who make your income possible use the public infrastructure, public safety and public health.
you are NOTHING without society and if you want to see how fast your little fantasy evaporates take it to a country where the government really doesnt do anything, including taking your money. I hear Etheopia is nice. Somalia, too.
whoever taught you about government and/or history failed miserably to instill in you an appreciation for the social contract and what it means to be a good citizen.
you speak of theft? someone seems to have robbed you of your common sense.
I feel like people lose sigh of the fact that government and community was established for a reason. There was once a time where a pack of bandits would ride over to your property, rape your wife, kill her, kill you, then steal all your shit. Just tough luck! When suddenly, people started to realize that kinda blows, so slowly but surely, we are where we are today, where we never have to worry about such things. Businesses are protected, people are protected. We don't have to lay our own roads to get places, we don't have to generate our own electricity, we don't have to find our own water source. And you know what, I think that's a great thing that we've come this far. I feel like those services are worth the taxes I pay. In fact, I'd say I get a really good deal.
The Constitution of the United States created a government to limit....government. Justice and security are, according to the Constitution, acceptable roles of government. And you don't seriously believe that government has anything to do with power generation do you? Finding water? You don't think that those cars people drive are created by the government and are given to people for free do you?
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