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Kiwifruit
New Zealand130 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is what I mean I say Rick Perry is outspoken even by Republican standards: Link Man, I can just picture it now... Fundamentalist Christians at a Perry rally chanting: "USA! USA! USA!" Fuck religion is bad. | ||
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gimpy
United States72 Posts
1st: There IS a creator of the the universe, and he is most likely the God of the Bible, and we feel it is more important to obey Him over the Govt whenever the 2 are in conflict (like letting our kids know that homosexual sex is "sin" and treating abortion as "murder". 2nd: We are to be a blessing (by God's command) to those in need (conservative Christians are the most generous with their money to the needy by far) 3rd: No one should be forced to give their property/money to others without EXCEPTIONAL reasons. Generosity needs to be voluntary in almost all cases. TL is predominantly teenager and liberal, but as you get older, many of you will suddenly start to understand the wisdom of conservatism. (as I did) Street cred: BS Physics, MN State Human Services Worker | ||
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Kiwifruit
New Zealand130 Posts
On Thursday, in New Hampshire, Perry told a woman and her son that he regarded evolution as "a theory that's out there" and one that's "got some gaps in it.” When a woman in South Carolina congratulated him for his remarks Friday, Perry replied “Well, God is how we got here. God may have done it in the blink of the eye or he may have done it over this long period of time, I don't know. But I know how it got started." Gee Rick, are you sure that Creationism is the theory with some gaps in it? | ||
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Kiwifruit
New Zealand130 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:57 gimpy wrote: 2nd: We are to be a blessing (by God's command) to those in need (conservative Christians are the most generous with their money to the needy by far) Stats please. | ||
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Kiwifruit
New Zealand130 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:57 gimpy wrote: 1st: There IS a creator of the the universe, and he is most likely the God of the Bible, and we feel it is more important to obey Him over the Govt whenever the 2 are in conflict (like letting our kids know that homosexual sex is "sin" and treating abortion as "murder". Strong opponents of abortion are almost all deeply religious. The sincere supporters of abortion, whether personally religious or not, are likely to follow a non-religious, consequentialist moral philosophy, perhaps invoking Jeremy Bentham’s question, ‘Can they suffer?’ Paul Hill and Michael Bray saw no moral difference between killing an embryo and killing a doctor except that the embryo was, to them, a blamelessly innocent ‘baby’. The consequentialist sees all the difference in the world. An early embryo has the sentience, as well as the semblance, of a tadpole. A doctor is a grown-up conscious being with hopes, loves, aspirations, fears, a massive store of humane knowledge, the capacity for deep emotion, very probably a devastated widow and orphaned children, perhaps elderly parents who dote on him. Paul Hill caused real, deep, lasting suffering, to beings with nervous systems capable of suffering. His doctor victim did no such thing. Early embryos that have no nervous system most certainly do not suffer. And if late-aborted embryos with nervous systems suffer – though all suffering is deplorable – it is not because they are human that they suffer. There is no general reason to suppose that human embryos at any age suffer more than cow or sheep embryos at the same developmental stage. And there is every reason to suppose that all embryos, whether human or not, suffer far less than adult cows or sheep in a slaughterhouse, especially a ritual slaughterhouse where, for religious reasons, they must be fully conscious when their throats are ceremonially cut. Suffering is hard to measure, and the details might be disputed. But that doesn’t affect my main point, which concerns the difference between secular consequentialist and religiously absolute moral philosophies. One school of thought cares about whether embryos can suffer. The other cares about whether they are human. Religious moralists can be heard debating questions like, ‘When does the developing embryo become a person – a human being?’ Secular moralists are more likely to ask, ‘Never mind whether it is human, (what does that even mean for a little cluster of cells?); at what age does any developing embryo, of any species, become capable of suffering?’ - Richard Dawkins. | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:57 gimpy wrote: Wow, I'm starting to love Perry. I didn't know that much about him untill now. It is hard for you to understand us conservatives, but know that we're not crazy, we just belive STRONGLY in a few principles. 1st: There IS a creator of the the universe, and he is most likely the God of the Bible, and we feel it is more important to obey Him over the Govt whenever the 2 are in conflict (like letting our kids know that homosexual sex is "sin" and treating abortion as "murder". 2nd: We are to be a blessing (by God's command) to those in need (conservative Christians are the most generous with their money to the needy by far) 3rd: No one should be forced to give their property/money to others without EXCEPTIONAL reasons. Generosity needs to be voluntary in almost all cases. TL is predominantly teenager and liberal, but as you get older, many of you will suddenly start to understand the wisdom of conservatism. (as I did) Street cred: BS Physics, MN State Human Services Worker Now I know Bill O'rilley is the severe of severity but this is just an example of why I won't vote for anyone who believes that GOD should run the country. Hes probably the worst one out of anyone but I can't believe people would suggest that that their God should ever have any say in what the government does or what path it takes. This man is clearly so stubborn and stuck on his way or the highway. I've met countless Catholic's and worked with them as well. I've never had to work with such a group of stubborn idiots that have no sense of humor and think everything is determined by god right down to the times they have to take a shit. This country is made up of all races, religions, gays, lesbians, crackpots, and retards (literally not metaphorically). And I can't believe that someone would have the audacity to run it the way that THEIR god wants it to be run. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Hmm no god there.... maybe its in the swearing in process for the president. "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." I don't see god in that either. He may put his hand on a bible but the bible doesn't run the country. Stubbornness and Pride are the bane of all mankind. Also my Father once told me and his dad once told him kind of a family saying. "There are 3 things in this world that can ruin a man Drugs, Sex and Religion." | ||
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gimpy
United States72 Posts
Yes sir. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123258358706104403.html http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/charity-who-cares/ | ||
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Kiwifruit
New Zealand130 Posts
On August 21 2011 01:31 gimpy wrote: Yes sir. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123258358706104403.html http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/charity-who-cares/ Cheers. As a former Christian I am interested to see statistics. I used to fast and skip meals just so I could give more to the offering and tithes but I wouldn't count that as charity since it was giving to the Church but I see the graph in the first link shows they give more to secular organisations too. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:57 gimpy wrote: Wow, I'm starting to love Perry. I didn't know that much about him untill now. It is hard for you to understand us conservatives, but know that we're not crazy, we just belive STRONGLY in a few principles. 1st: There IS a creator of the the universe, and he is most likely the God of the Bible, and we feel it is more important to obey Him over the Govt whenever the 2 are in conflict (like letting our kids know that homosexual sex is "sin" and treating abortion as "murder". 2nd: We are to be a blessing (by God's command) to those in need (conservative Christians are the most generous with their money to the needy by far) 3rd: No one should be forced to give their property/money to others without EXCEPTIONAL reasons. Generosity needs to be voluntary in almost all cases. TL is predominantly teenager and liberal, but as you get older, many of you will suddenly start to understand the wisdom of conservatism. (as I did) Street cred: BS Physics, MN State Human Services Worker Oh trust me. I won't. Just to hit on your 3rd point. I don't understand what you mean by "forced" to give property. You live in this country. Enjoy its freedoms. Enjoy the protection that its military offers you (unless you are in the military, then I will say thank you). Enjoy the safety net. Why wouldn't you return money to your government. That makes no sense to me. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:57 gimpy wrote: Wow, I'm starting to love Perry. I didn't know that much about him untill now. It is hard for you to understand us conservatives, but know that we're not crazy, we just belive STRONGLY in a few principles. 1st: There IS a creator of the the universe, and he is most likely the God of the Bible, and we feel it is more important to obey Him over the Govt whenever the 2 are in conflict (like letting our kids know that homosexual sex is "sin" and treating abortion as "murder". 2nd: We are to be a blessing (by God's command) to those in need (conservative Christians are the most generous with their money to the needy by far) 3rd: No one should be forced to give their property/money to others without EXCEPTIONAL reasons. Generosity needs to be voluntary in almost all cases. TL is predominantly teenager and liberal, but as you get older, many of you will suddenly start to understand the wisdom of conservatism. (as I did) Street cred: BS Physics, MN State Human Services Worker Nothing would scare me more than having religious nuts in power. Theocracy anyone?? | ||
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
On August 21 2011 01:55 Kiwifruit wrote: Cheers. As a former Christian I am interested to see statistics. I used to fast and skip meals just so I could give more to the offering and tithes but I wouldn't count that as charity since it was giving to the Church but I see the graph in the first link shows they give more to secular organisations too. churches help families in need/the community. churches are willing to help people who both know they need help and want it as well. i'm not a religious person, but it seems you are not understanding that churches do help the commnunity they serve. | ||
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Spacely
United States108 Posts
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Tremendous
Denmark155 Posts
In the end, there is a reason that church and state are to be kept seperate. It is very hard to says which religion is the correct one and if one religion gets power then it would be very easy to force their will and beliefs on others. Everyone should be equal under the law, not just the people who agree with you. I think most of the candidates put a bit to much stock into the religous speaking points. As i see it these shouldnt be the focus for a potential president in a country that is in fairly severe economic troubles. Foreign policy also doesnt seem to get enough focus. But its still early. It will be interresting to see how things turn out. | ||
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Wesso
Netherlands1245 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On August 21 2011 02:25 Spacely wrote: Ron Paul or I bet Obama wins again. His intellect is probably the only thing I'm in agreement with you. I'm not too happy about his actual policies. | ||
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Kiwifruit
New Zealand130 Posts
On August 21 2011 02:10 BroboCop wrote: churches help families in need/the community. churches are willing to help people who both know they need help and want it as well. i'm not a religious person, but it seems you are not understanding that churches do help the commnunity they serve. I know this. Spent years as a youth leader and serving the Church in music ministries and occasionally volunteered at soup kitchens and food parcel drops. There was more harm than good - especially when there is so much emotional abuse (in terms of brainwashing and convincing that God hated sin and pressure to be 'loving' to neighbours etc). Not to mention that Christians are not very different to ordinary people - they can be mean and unfriendly just as your neighbour. Once you are involved with Churches you start to see that Christians are very much very manipulative and just as selfish as people outside of the Church. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
in this video from his campaign: @1:52 he says "American Ingenuity" while standing next to a guy working on a game made in Canada and openly promotes homosexual relationships between the characters. + Show Spoiler + left most monitor+ Show Spoiler + Commander Sheppard | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
On August 21 2011 02:55 Kiwifruit wrote: I know this. Spent years as a youth leader and serving the Church in music ministries and occasionally volunteered at soup kitchens and food parcel drops. There was more harm than good - especially when there is so much emotional abuse (in terms of brainwashing and convincing that God hated sin and pressure to be 'loving' to neighbours etc). Not to mention that Christians are not very different to ordinary people - they can be mean and unfriendly just as your neighbour. Once you are involved with Churches you start to see that Christians are very much very manipulative and just as selfish as people outside of the Church. My experience with very religious people is that they're the most selfish and intolerant people I've met in my life, and it's all hidden under the firm attitude that they are morally superior to others. Or perhaps it is the existence of this unquestioned attitude that allows this dichotomy to take place. With very religious I mean they can't hold a conversation without slipping in God or some bible quote or things like that. | ||
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KoTakUEurO
605 Posts
On August 21 2011 02:06 Undrass wrote: Nothing would scare me more than having religious nuts in power. Theocracy anyone?? yes i absolutely agree. Religion has absolutely no place in government, as it clouds what practical steps should be taken to effectively fix a problem. I recall Perry saying to "pray for jobs" or something like that. Would you really want someone like that in government? | ||
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