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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11603 Posts
January 11 2012 02:27 GMT
#5121
On January 11 2012 11:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ron Paul is going to SC tomorrow and plans to expanding advertising targeting Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. No idea why he doesn't target Romney.


Maybe he's hoping Gingrich and Perry will pull Romney's house down for him?
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Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 11 2012 02:29 GMT
#5122
On January 11 2012 10:29 Derez wrote:]
I'm still unsure why so many people rate Obama's chances so poorly. He has the money, has all his personal issues behind him, has proven to be able to run an incredible campaign and with some economic recovery he should be fine to be honest. I can't think of a single 'clean' republican candidate, except for maybe Huntsman.

Partisan affiliation is still much closer to 2010 than to 2008. There may also be a significant enthusiasm gap.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 02:29 GMT
#5123
So if Ron Paul is going the convention strategy(again), it's obvious he will have more delegates than last time what is his actual plan? Announce a third party run and then have his own convention?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 11 2012 02:36 GMT
#5124
I don't see Ron Paul going third party. His goal is to influence the debate, which he clearly is doing. Ron Paul is ahead of his time. The real fruits of what he has done probably aren't going to be realized for years yet.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 11 2012 02:36 GMT
#5125
On January 11 2012 11:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if Ron Paul is going the convention strategy(again), it's obvious he will have more delegates than last time what is his actual plan? Announce a third party run and then have his own convention?



I think it really depends on how many states he ends up winning. (If any at all). I certainly don't see him joining on as a VP to Romney/whoever, as that just doesn't seem to be his style.


Personally I would laugh so hard if he runs as a 3rd party and completely fucks Romney over
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:46:03
January 11 2012 02:40 GMT
#5126
On January 11 2012 11:36 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 11:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if Ron Paul is going the convention strategy(again), it's obvious he will have more delegates than last time what is his actual plan? Announce a third party run and then have his own convention?



I think it really depends on how many states he ends up winning. (If any at all). I certainly don't see him joining on as a VP to Romney/whoever, as that just doesn't seem to be his style.


Personally I would laugh so hard if he runs as a 3rd party and completely fucks Romney over


I wouldn't be surprised if he got the most votes as a 3rd party candidate in the history of the US (although beating 1912 Roosevelt would be tough)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 02:41 GMT
#5127
On January 11 2012 11:36 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 11:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if Ron Paul is going the convention strategy(again), it's obvious he will have more delegates than last time what is his actual plan? Announce a third party run and then have his own convention?



I think it really depends on how many states he ends up winning. (If any at all). I certainly don't see him joining on as a VP to Romney/whoever, as that just doesn't seem to be his style.


Personally I would laugh so hard if he runs as a 3rd party and completely fucks Romney over


That is actually a fear in the Romney camp as that would/could be ruin for the campaign.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:43:56
January 11 2012 02:42 GMT
#5128
[image loading]

Santorum paid roughly $20 per vote, and essentially tied for first. Perry paid over $480 per vote, far more than any other candidate, and came in fifth.

Just a little evidence against the claim that elections are all about who has the most money to spend.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11603 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:46:05
January 11 2012 02:45 GMT
#5129
Huntsman: Country First.

...with country music playing the background. Which country comes first exactly?
He really isn't a very good orator, but it really is the case that every single televised candidate has now been given a shot at being the anti-Romney.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 11 2012 02:48 GMT
#5130
Huntsman is basically Romney-lite. If you're not going to vote for Romney, Huntsman is definitely not the guy that you're going to turn to out of the republican candidates.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 11 2012 02:49 GMT
#5131
Is there a live stream to watch the debates somewhere?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 11 2012 02:51 GMT
#5132
man ron paul's speech is quite good
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11603 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:54:23
January 11 2012 02:53 GMT
#5133
What exactly is the point of Super PAC's? They seem to flood the system with money for any candidate that has big business ties.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 02:55 GMT
#5134
Santorum now speaking.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 11 2012 03:03 GMT
#5135
On January 11 2012 11:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 11:36 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 11 2012 11:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if Ron Paul is going the convention strategy(again), it's obvious he will have more delegates than last time what is his actual plan? Announce a third party run and then have his own convention?



I think it really depends on how many states he ends up winning. (If any at all). I certainly don't see him joining on as a VP to Romney/whoever, as that just doesn't seem to be his style.


Personally I would laugh so hard if he runs as a 3rd party and completely fucks Romney over


That is actually a fear in the Romney camp as that would/could be ruin for the campaign.



Oh definetely. What would be really curious to me is how much he could take away from Obama.

Imagine a 33/32/32 electoral college split or something. Ohhh the drama
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 03:03 GMT
#5136
Does Newt Gingrich know that energy is sold to the highest bidder?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
January 11 2012 03:06 GMT
#5137
On January 11 2012 11:42 liberal wrote:
[image loading]

Santorum paid roughly $20 per vote, and essentially tied for first. Perry paid over $480 per vote, far more than any other candidate, and came in fifth.

Just a little evidence against the claim that elections are all about who has the most money to spend.


The problem is much more apparent when you're looking at it from a national scale. Iowa is one of the most socially conservative states and not that great of a representation of the whole country. Perry has dug himself into a deep enough hole that no amount of money could save him.

Apparently in over 90% of congressional races in 2008 were won by the candidate that spent more money. That's insanity.


Source:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/11/money-wins-white-house-and.html
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
January 11 2012 03:09 GMT
#5138
That's insanity.


Not really. It's what you'd expect, the candidates with more appeal and support garnering more money.

Barack Obama raised far more than John McCain in 2008 because he was the candidate with superior appeal. People back who think they will win.

Now that Mitt has won NH, are you ready for The Hair vs. The Mouth? What a great choice we're going to have, Mittens Romney or Barackulus Obama.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 11 2012 03:10 GMT
#5139
@Voltaire (jealous of your nic btw)

To be fair, we could argue that the most attractive candidate would attract the most money, and thus would have the capacity to spend the most money.

But yeah it is pretty disturbing. Makes you wonder if someone like Bill Gates (or dare I say...Donald Trump) just blew his fortune completely in an attempt to win
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11603 Posts
January 11 2012 03:13 GMT
#5140
Not when you have no cap on corporation and union spending. In that case a handful of powerful companies or lobby groups can do the financial heavy lifting vs widespread support of small donations. Now when you also happen to have many small donations, then I can see the appeal/ support argument.

With unchecked corporate/ union spending, I'm not convinced.
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