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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 01:23 GMT
#5101
On January 11 2012 10:21 Pillage wrote:
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Ron Paul to finish second.

South Carolina should be very interesting. Reports are saying that Newt will endorse Santorum if/when he drops out after South Carolina.


Has there been speculation of him leaving? I've heard nothing other than he's been dropping somewhat in the polls.


Newt is going all in in South Carolina something around 3 million dollars so far in attack ads going after Romney, he loses it's over.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 11 2012 01:23 GMT
#5102
On January 11 2012 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
South Carolina should be very interesting. Reports are saying that Newt will endorse Santorum if/when he drops out after South Carolina.

I know Newt has a bad temper, but I'm amazed that he would endorse a candidate whom he knows will lose to Obama. Romney (just imo) would be a close favorite unless unemployment falls noticeably.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 01:24 GMT
#5103
On January 11 2012 10:23 Signet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
South Carolina should be very interesting. Reports are saying that Newt will endorse Santorum if/when he drops out after South Carolina.

I know Newt has a bad temper, but I'm amazed that he would endorse a candidate whom he knows will lose to Obama. Romney (just imo) would be a close favorite unless unemployment falls noticeably.


Romney made a permanent enemy when his Super PAC's went after Newt in Iowa.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 01:40:17
January 11 2012 01:29 GMT
#5104
On January 11 2012 10:21 Pillage wrote:
Show nested quote +

Ron Paul to finish second.

South Carolina should be very interesting. Reports are saying that Newt will endorse Santorum if/when he drops out after South Carolina.


Has there been speculation of him leaving? I've heard nothing other than he's been dropping somewhat in the polls.


If he still doesn't get any votes after three states, he's going to look like the angry old man that he is more and more every day. At some point a candidate just loses all momentum, and if Newt doesn't pick up a decent amount of votes soon, he has to drop out.

That said, he is inexplicably polling well in South Carolina. I predict lots of dicussion on his number of marriages coming from Santorum.

Btw:
The Other Primary
There's more than one primary in New Hampshire tonight. The Republican race has been called for Mitt Romney sure, but the Democratic primary has also been called -- perhaps not unexpectedly -- for President Obama.

With 21 percent of precincts reporting, Mr. Obama has received 81 percent of the vote. That amounts to 10,620 ballots cast for the President so far. At this point in the counting, that's more than any of the Republicans except for Mr. Romney

I'm still unsure why so many people rate Obama's chances so poorly. He has the money, has all his personal issues behind him, has proven to be able to run an incredible campaign and with some economic recovery he should be fine to be honest. I can't think of a single 'clean' republican candidate, except for maybe Huntsman.


And as another interesting tidbit: Out of all voters in the primary describing themselves as 'republican', only 15% voted for Ron Paul, according to exit polls. Almost half went for Romney. Bad news for Paul once you get to states where independents can't vote in primaries.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
January 11 2012 01:31 GMT
#5105
On January 11 2012 09:08 yarders wrote:
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On January 09 2012 11:43 sc4k wrote:
Still waiting for someone to answer these points?

On January 06 2012 09:15 sc4k wrote:
Libertarianism just feels so jarring, I can't believe it's actually gaining traction. I guess the allure of having to pay less taxes will win almost anyone over. But the whole de-regulation thing just seems so dangerous. It's hard enough to deal with monopolies now in the modern world. How does a libertarian society deal with monopolies? I mean, companies just buying out all the competition aggressively, tying up all possible distribution outlets...all that sort of crap?

Also, I think the general criticism of the FDA seems a bit weird to me. Getting rid of that sort of regulation just seems so reckless as to the health of people in your society. You are happy to stand by and allow the possibility that people will be seriously harmed and damaged by drugs which aren't tested to any standard of care...until it's found that the damage has been done and everyone keeps away from it...I know that food and drugs regulation can't stop everything but it just seems crazy to actually reduce society's ability to protect itself from that...things like the thalidomide tragedy have taught us some serious lessons about regulation and to back off from that seems crazy.

Same goes for...how does a libertarian society effectively administer disease control? For example, a spread amongst livestock of a certain disease...how does it deal with culling animals? Seeing as it's not supposed to have coercive power to cull livestock...does that mean you are happy for BSE burgers to be floating around the country?




I consider myself a libertarian because I consider individual liberty vital for society. I want to maximise individual liberty and political freedom. My philosophy is this, 'An individual should be able to do whatever they please as long as it does not adversely effect another individual'

That doesn't mean I'm an anarcho-capitalist. Most governments (and all left wing governments) naturally trend towards greater control and centralisation and it is all our responsibility as individuals to fight against that. The recent SOPA/PIPA laws and internet regulation is a classic example of a government trying to control something it doesn't understand and fears.

In the UK we recently fought off a government attempt to introduce ID cards and huge national databases with all our personal information stored within them. You've probably read 1984 I don't need to say any more.

I don't believe there should be no government or no taxes but government should be small and taxes not excessive. I am actually a strong supporter or our National Health Service in the UK which offers free health care to everyone.

It also doesn't mean I'm against regulation. Certainly some regulation is vital, drinking water standards etc And I'd have no problem culling animals if they posed a threat as long as the individuals were compensated. Monopolies are of course very inefficient and again I would have no problem regulating them.



That's really funny because all of those views align with my own and I do not consider myself a libertarian. That's the funny thing about labels I guess. Maybe it also has to do with the country you live in and the culture. You might get away with some of those views in some countries and be considered centrist or even right leaning, but in the US they are redical leftist (national health care and common sense regulations). :D
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 11 2012 01:39 GMT
#5106
This speech that Romney is giving is easily his best yet. He's saying everything that he needs to say to win over conservative holdouts. He's going right for the jugular.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 01:48 GMT
#5107
On January 11 2012 10:39 xDaunt wrote:
This speech that Romney is giving is easily his best yet. He's saying everything that he needs to say to win over conservative holdouts. He's going right for the jugular.


I don't know... How long can Romney keep making the argument that Obama is trying to make the U.S. look like the European model while having little to no difference on social issues with Santorum.

Also it doesn't help that one's wife has more charisma than a Presidential candidate.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 11 2012 01:53 GMT
#5108
On January 11 2012 10:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:39 xDaunt wrote:
This speech that Romney is giving is easily his best yet. He's saying everything that he needs to say to win over conservative holdouts. He's going right for the jugular.


I don't know... How long can Romney keep making the argument that Obama is trying to make the U.S. look like the European model while having little to no difference on social issues with Santorum.

Also it doesn't help that one's wife has more charisma than a Presidential candidate.

Easy. This election isn't going to be about social issues. It's going to be about economics and fiscal policy, where there is ample opportunity to draw sharp contrasts with Obama.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 01:59 GMT
#5109
On January 11 2012 10:53 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On January 11 2012 10:39 xDaunt wrote:
This speech that Romney is giving is easily his best yet. He's saying everything that he needs to say to win over conservative holdouts. He's going right for the jugular.


I don't know... How long can Romney keep making the argument that Obama is trying to make the U.S. look like the European model while having little to no difference on social issues with Santorum.

Also it doesn't help that one's wife has more charisma than a Presidential candidate.

Easy. This election isn't going to be about social issues. It's going to be about economics and fiscal policy, where there is ample opportunity to draw sharp contrasts with Obama.


Again Romney won't mention his Governorship as the state was only 47 out of 50 in growth. As his opponents are already bashing his Baine Capital of creating 100k jobs.

As for Fiscal policy it's the same pretty much throughout his tax plan(s) have been rejected by several groups etc.


Ron Paul is coming out to speak.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 02:03 GMT
#5110
Wow Ron Paul is on fire.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
.maLice.
Profile Joined December 2011
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:10:53
January 11 2012 02:05 GMT
#5111
I just must say I've never seen a candidate like Dr. Ron Paul. I may not agree with his personal beliefs, but I agree 100% with all of his ideas on government and his world view. Ron Paul 2012!

Edit: http://www.c-span.org/Events/Ron-Paul-Hosts-Supporters-on-Primary-Night/10737426974-1/
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:07:27
January 11 2012 02:06 GMT
#5112
@Stealth
I agree, his speech is pretty powerful.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 02:07 GMT
#5113
Ron Paul just mentioned the MIC.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 11 2012 02:07 GMT
#5114
As I've pointed out countless times, the job creation number is meaningless because massachusetts was at full employment while Romney was there.

With regards to fiscal policy, it's all about perception during campaigns. Believe me, I'm painfully aware of how wanton republicans have been with spending over the past 10 years or so. However, Obama is still demonstrably worse. I don't know whether Romney will actually balance the budget as he claims, but that is going to be message and it clearl is going to resonate with a majority of voters.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
January 11 2012 02:10 GMT
#5115
Obama vs Ron Paul 2012 should be good!
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:15:01
January 11 2012 02:14 GMT
#5116
I like how Ron Paul actually talked about politics in his speech whereas Romney sort of just bashed Obama and talked about how great "AMURICAH" is.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 11 2012 02:14 GMT
#5117
is there any reason he's stuttering so much? or am I just used to obama's eloquence? at any rate he's putting out a lot of good points!
.maLice.
Profile Joined December 2011
United States174 Posts
January 11 2012 02:18 GMT
#5118
On January 11 2012 11:14 Roe wrote:
is there any reason he's stuttering so much? or am I just used to obama's eloquence? at any rate he's putting out a lot of good points!



It's just the way he's always been since I started watching him in 08. He doesn't right out his speeches or any of that nonsense. He just goes in front of the people and speaks from his heart.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 11 2012 02:19 GMT
#5119
Ron Paul is going to SC tomorrow and plans to expanding advertising targeting Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. No idea why he doesn't target Romney.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 11 2012 02:20 GMT
#5120
On January 11 2012 11:18 .maLice. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 11:14 Roe wrote:
is there any reason he's stuttering so much? or am I just used to obama's eloquence? at any rate he's putting out a lot of good points!



It's just the way he's always been since I started watching him in 08. He doesn't right out his speeches or any of that nonsense. He just goes in front of the people and speaks from his heart.

Pretty good for his age and no teleprompter hehe
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