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Can i have none of the above as an option. I think all the candidates are terrible.
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On August 16 2011 23:24 xbankx wrote:
Paul is a Repulican I can stand behind. He is like the only Republican that doesn't work for the top 2% of the country.
I am a Democrat and Ron Paul is the only person that actually makes sense. Would prefer him over any Democrat too...
Shame too that the best person for the job won't get elected.
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It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost.
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bachmann to win, then everyone will realize how crazy the repulicans are and they won't get voted in again
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The only two problems I see with Ron Paul is that he seems kind of like a secessionist and a Tea Party member.
EDIT: oh, he also wants to abolish the Department of Education and Federal Reserve. Fun guy.
EDIT2: although he did oppose the Republican Budget Plan. A big plus for him on that aspect.
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On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost.
1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution
2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate
He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid.
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On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.
That is exactly why I voted for her. Rather you guys have Obama for four more years than her. Nobody would ever vote that hag into office, hence a democratic autowin.
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On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid.
I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like;
1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves
2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war
3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour
4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!)
Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself.
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On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself.
This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012!
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On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid.
Are you serious? he wasnt a scientist rofl. He worked in obstetrics. As for the church and state thing, sure you may have a point but then again you cant really agree with someone on everything.
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On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012!
I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison.
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On August 18 2011 09:22 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. Are you serious? he wasnt a scientist rofl. He worked in obstetrics. As for the church and state thing, sure you may have a point but then again you cant really agree with someone on everything.
Yea that's the point he is not a scientist, he called himself a scientist not me. Someone who thinks the earth is 6000 years old and denys evolution cannot call themselves a scientist in any respect.
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On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:
1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution
2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate
lol thank you for proving my point completely. I tried to focus on the actual issues of the election and you go off on a tangent talking about evolution?
On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:
This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012!
His ideas on the issues that matter are what matter most. Literally every politician is going to have good and bad with them. The important thing is that Ron Paul supports more good policies than any other politician.
Politics has always been about choosing the lesser of two evils. I would take Ron Paul over Bachmann or Bush or Obama or Clinton or any of the rest of them, because of his stance on the wars, on drugs, on the economy, on immigration, state's rights, and the list goes on.
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On August 18 2011 09:26 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012! I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison. His foreign policy is very MEH(would of been good before all this shit started not now), he wants to restore the reputation of the United States by withdrawing from Afghanistan etc. Do you have any idea how much that will utterly destroy the international reputation of the US. He has no depth, how is he going to magically fix the economy? Reduce spending is about as much as you get out of him. You think Ron Paul has all the economic problems solved and that the current government isn't trying?
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On August 18 2011 09:32 toadyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:26 shinosai wrote:On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012! I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison. His foreign policy is very MEH(would of been good before all this shit started not now), he wants to restore the reputation of the United States by withdrawing from Afghanistan etc. Do you have any idea how much that will utterly destroy the international reputation of the US. He has no depth, how is he going to magically fix the economy? Reduce spending is about as much as you get out of him. You think Ron Paul has all the economic problems solved and that the current government isn't trying?
The current government is trying? Is that what they were doing when they proposed a budget and claimed they were "cutting" spending (when in actuality they were increasing spending!) Is that what they were doing when they increased the debt ceiling so we can continue spending ourselves into greater debt?
I think Ron Paul understands what caused the current economic collapse, and that he is in a good position to resolve it by that alone. The current government does not seem to understand the cause, so how can they fix it? Are you really going to rely on the exact same people that caused the problem to fix it? Or will you ask the guy who *predicted it before it happened* to give some input?
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On August 18 2011 09:32 toadyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:26 shinosai wrote:On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012! I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison. His foreign policy is very MEH(would of been good before all this shit started not now), he wants to restore the reputation of the United States by withdrawing from Afghanistan etc. Do you have any idea how much that will utterly destroy the international reputation of the US. He has no depth, how is he going to magically fix the economy? Reduce spending is about as much as you get out of him. You think Ron Paul has all the economic problems solved and that the current government isn't trying?
The government is trying to solve the problems? Like they did in the whole debt ceiling debate? The current government is failing by a huge margin, and their policies are what got us into the problems we are in to begin with. Ron Paul doesn't have all the answers to magically solve everything, no. Nobody does. But his answers make more sense than "more of the same."
If you want more of the same, have fun voting for Romney or reelecting Obama. All that rhetoric about change and nothing changed at all. Well, we dug ourselves a deeper hole, and we can keep digging while we swing back and forth from right to left.
edit: holy shit, I got ninja'd hard. It's like he's reading my thoughts, that's creepy...
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On August 18 2011 09:36 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:32 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:26 shinosai wrote:On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012! I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison. His foreign policy is very MEH(would of been good before all this shit started not now), he wants to restore the reputation of the United States by withdrawing from Afghanistan etc. Do you have any idea how much that will utterly destroy the international reputation of the US. He has no depth, how is he going to magically fix the economy? Reduce spending is about as much as you get out of him. You think Ron Paul has all the economic problems solved and that the current government isn't trying? The current government is trying? Is that what they were doing when they proposed a budget and claimed they were "cutting" spending (when in actuality they were increasing spending!) Is that what they were doing when they increased the debt ceiling so we can continue spending ourselves into greater debt? I think Ron Paul understands what caused the current economic collapse, and that he is in a good position to resolve it by that alone. The current government does not seem to understand the cause, so how can they fix it? Are you really going to rely on the exact same people that caused the problem to fix it?
You cannot just go slashing budgets when you have an extremely volitile and fragile economy. It's just not practical, it isn't as clear cut as that.
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On August 18 2011 09:26 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012! I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison.
The people who believe Ron Paul "knows his stuff" when it comes to economics and foreign policy are people who don't know much about economics and foreign policy. Yes, it's nice that he isn't a flip-flopper and that he does what he believes in. The problem is, a majority of his ideas are terrible.
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On August 18 2011 08:23 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:24 xbankx wrote:
Paul is a Repulican I can stand behind. He is like the only Republican that doesn't work for the top 2% of the country. I am a Democrat and Ron Paul is the only person that actually makes sense. Would prefer him over any Democrat too... Shame too that the best person for the job won't get elected.
Really? The guy is a nutcase, he's just not quite as bad as the others (except Romney, Ron Paul 'might' be worse than Romney, not that Romney is good, he's awful too). His economics are terrible and just plain backwards (he wants to lower inflation? It's below where we actually want it now, we need it HIGHER).
The guy actually wants to completely privatize all education, which is possibly the most moronic thing I've heard from a politician in this country other than the time Sarah Palin called New Hampshire the state that had the Shot Heard Around the World.
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On August 18 2011 10:07 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:26 shinosai wrote:On August 18 2011 09:22 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 09:11 Bibdy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:57 toadyy wrote:On August 18 2011 08:24 jdseemoreglass wrote:
It's really popular to make fun of Ron Paul. It's popular to call him a kook, and dismiss him or his ideas. Usually, people who do this point to some obscure or largely irrelevant statement, some fringe issue that usually the president doesn't even control.
Where does Ron Paul stand on the most important issues of all?
1) End our interventionist policies in the middle-east, and bring our troops home. This will save our reputation abroad, save billions of dollars in spending, and most importantly, save lives.
2) End the failed war on drugs that has incarcerated thousands, cost billions of dollars, and led to worse results and greater violence than the medical approach taken in many European nations.
3) Secure our borders to prevent illegal immigration, but don't force businesses to investigate their employees, and don't support any draconian measures to round people up and deport them from their home.
4) Reduce the power and influence of the federal reserve to put an end to the cycle of devaluation of currency and excessive artificial credit, which has lead to bubbles and economic instability.
5) Oppose the idea of a federal amendment denying gays the ability to marry. Leave the concept of marriage up to individuals, and allow the individual states to determine their laws regarding this and other issues.
6) Reducing spending to finally begin to dig us out of the deep hole we are in, reducing our deficit and eventually our enormous debt.
To me, these positions do not seem crazy. In fact, they sound to me like common sense and the best possible direction our nation could go in. You won't hear a platform like this from any politician on any side of the spectrum. Republicans will give lip service to issues like closing the borders, and Democrats will give lip service to ending the wars... In the end it is just more of the same, with presidents from both sides simply continuing the failed policies of the previous.
I've never voted, and I've never registered to vote. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports policies which I think are fundamentally immoral, for that would be a sanction of them. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever heard who actually inspires me to register and vote and engage in politics. The fact that he did so well in the last debate gives me hope that our nation isn't completely lost. 1) Calls himself a scientist - Doesn't believe in evolution 2) Calls himself a libertarian - Doesn't agree with keeping state and church seperate He is just a washed up radical conservative christian, sure he has good ideas that are mostly not even practical you can't just reduce spending and bring the boys home. There is a reason no one takes Ron Paul seriously anymore and yes it is because he is fucking stupid. I must admit, the church and state thing irks me, but there are a lot of good little two-point quips you could make about the guy, too, like; 1) Staunchly pro-life and anti-abortion - Still believes States have the right to make that call for themselves 2) Christian - Frustrated at evangelicals leading the country to war 3) Christian - Does not believe in Federally mandated decisions on what marriage is, and that we should control sexual (private) behaviour 4) For small government - believes that Social Security is merely in need of help and needs correction of the numbers (less borrowing from it!) Ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad with any political candidate. The only way to get a representative that believes all of exactly the same things you do, is to run for office yourself. This is exactly the problem wth Ron Paul though, everyone just thinks he is the magic man with no bad ideas. No one even weighs up the good and bad when it comes to him it's just I agree with this point about him so therefore I agree with everything RONPAUL2012! I definitely think there's a lot of things that Ron Paul has wrong. But when it comes to the things that MATTER, like economics and foreign policy, he's the only one who is going to change things. It would really suck for us to turn into a theocracy but I don't think that's likely. As an atheist I strongly disagree with his view on Church and State, but I think that in the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes, prayer in school is going to be a footnote in history by comparison. The people who believe Ron Paul "knows his stuff" when it comes to economics and foreign policy are people who don't know much about economics and foreign policy. Yes, it's nice that he isn't a flip-flopper and that he does what he believes in. The problem is, a majority of his ideas are terrible.
Yea this is pretty much it. The genuine good ideas on drugs etc would never see the light of day also.
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