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dOofuS
Profile Joined January 2009
United States342 Posts
November 13 2011 08:03 GMT
#2801
Wow, misreporting boos and crediting them to opposition to torture. What kind of moral and civilized country do we live in?
Rodimus Prime
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
182 Posts
November 13 2011 13:43 GMT
#2802
Just watching the November 9 debate on YouTube now. Something interesting Romney mentioned which I think is worth discussing is his comment about where profits go. He said that people are wrong to presume that they go to paying CEOs, as 'profits' are what's left over when CEOs are paid. But how accurate is this statement? Because at the end of the day he is only referring to their incomes. What about bonuses (for reaching profit targets) and golden handshakes? How ignorant would it be to presume that even after paying a CEO their basic salary, no further money goes to them from the profits?

If that above paragraph didn't make sense it's 'cos I'm trying to pay attention to the debate whilst typing at the same time.
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
November 13 2011 16:12 GMT
#2803
On November 13 2011 22:43 Rodimus Prime wrote:
Just watching the November 9 debate on YouTube now. Something interesting Romney mentioned which I think is worth discussing is his comment about where profits go. He said that people are wrong to presume that they go to paying CEOs, as 'profits' are what's left over when CEOs are paid. But how accurate is this statement? Because at the end of the day he is only referring to their incomes. What about bonuses (for reaching profit targets) and golden handshakes? How ignorant would it be to presume that even after paying a CEO their basic salary, no further money goes to them from the profits?

If that above paragraph didn't make sense it's 'cos I'm trying to pay attention to the debate whilst typing at the same time.


This kind of reasoning leads into a debate about the definition of profit - imho a clever trick to avoid discussing the real issue. "Contributions" and "rewards" need to be divided in some way by the employees, the government and the owners of a company; the question should be if the stakeholders are getting fair compensation for their contributions, or if maybe the CEOs are getting more than their fair share.
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
November 13 2011 18:57 GMT
#2804
On November 14 2011 01:12 Blix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 22:43 Rodimus Prime wrote:
Just watching the November 9 debate on YouTube now. Something interesting Romney mentioned which I think is worth discussing is his comment about where profits go. He said that people are wrong to presume that they go to paying CEOs, as 'profits' are what's left over when CEOs are paid. But how accurate is this statement? Because at the end of the day he is only referring to their incomes. What about bonuses (for reaching profit targets) and golden handshakes? How ignorant would it be to presume that even after paying a CEO their basic salary, no further money goes to them from the profits?

If that above paragraph didn't make sense it's 'cos I'm trying to pay attention to the debate whilst typing at the same time.


This kind of reasoning leads into a debate about the definition of profit - imho a clever trick to avoid discussing the real issue. "Contributions" and "rewards" need to be divided in some way by the employees, the government and the owners of a company; the question should be if the stakeholders are getting fair compensation for their contributions, or if maybe the CEOs are getting more than their fair share.


Great first post...deflected!!! Rodimus could never be Optimus.

Obama is ying, Romney is yang. Romney is the default windows settings. Only way he get's the nom, is if no one cares enough to change it. Only way he wins, vs Obama is if Obama supporters stop playing.

@StealthBlue - the ONLY comment on that story you linked says more than the story itself. Sniff. Isn't it pretty bad that a bunch of Starcraft junkies can tear apart the fluff being peddled as truth, and be in essence, correct. Everyone's reality is different, reality tunnels and related theory.. but seriously.. we live in some epic days, and it's hard to see the sun through the cloud of shit coming down the pipe. I'm liking the fact your chatting more though! Good Read.
I used to like trumpets, now I prefer pause. "Don't move a muscle JP!"
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
November 13 2011 22:35 GMT
#2805
I understand a lot of people have reservations about Ron Paul because some of his issues are a little bit out there, and I disagree with him on a lot of things, but to me, he's right on all of the important issues.

Paul wants to go back to isolationist foreign policy, first and foremost, and this is something that I think is absolutely necessary. Our "police the world" policy of the last 50-60 years or so, and especially the last 10, has been extremely detrimental to our economy in a variety of ways. On top of that, Paul is completely opposed to the Crony Capitalism that we have been plagued by for a long time, and he wants to dismantle the legal bribery that runs rampant in Washington in the form of lobbying.

I couldn't care less about where he stands on Abortion and Religion, etc. None of those things are important when our economy and very idea of democracy is falling apart all around us.
On my way...
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 13 2011 22:57 GMT
#2806
Wow, apparently Ron Paul got only 89 seconds of speaking time in a 90 minute debate. What the fuck is the point of inviting him if you're going to ask him questions? He's definitely not on that stage because of his good looks.
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
November 13 2011 23:26 GMT
#2807
On November 14 2011 07:35 ryanAnger wrote:
I understand a lot of people have reservations about Ron Paul because some of his issues are a little bit out there, and I disagree with him on a lot of things, but to me, he's right on all of the important issues.

Paul wants to go back to isolationist foreign policy, first and foremost, and this is something that I think is absolutely necessary. Our "police the world" policy of the last 50-60 years or so, and especially the last 10, has been extremely detrimental to our economy in a variety of ways. On top of that, Paul is completely opposed to the Crony Capitalism that we have been plagued by for a long time, and he wants to dismantle the legal bribery that runs rampant in Washington in the form of lobbying.

I couldn't care less about where he stands on Abortion and Religion, etc. None of those things are important when our economy and very idea of democracy is falling apart all around us.


It's not an isolationist foreign policy. I don't know why people keep saying this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism
Isolationism is separating yourself or a country from everything.

Non-interventionism – Political rulers should avoid entangling alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial differences (self-defense).


Isolationism = North Korea or Communist Germany
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
November 14 2011 01:44 GMT
#2808
After re-watching the lastest debates I'm honestly at a loss as to who is going to get it.

Something tells me there will be a last minute swoop in candidate.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
November 14 2011 01:53 GMT
#2809
On November 14 2011 07:57 xDaunt wrote:
Wow, apparently Ron Paul got only 89 seconds of speaking time in a 90 minute debate. What the fuck is the point of inviting him if you're going to ask him questions? He's definitely not on that stage because of his good looks.


Naw, I'm pretty sure he got more time than that, if you're talking about the november 9th debate.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 14 2011 01:54 GMT
#2810
On November 14 2011 10:53 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 07:57 xDaunt wrote:
Wow, apparently Ron Paul got only 89 seconds of speaking time in a 90 minute debate. What the fuck is the point of inviting him if you're going to ask him questions? He's definitely not on that stage because of his good looks.


Naw, I'm pretty sure he got more time than that, if you're talking about the november 9th debate.


No, I'm talking about last night's debate.

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-gets-89-seconds-to-speak-in-cbs-debate/
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
November 14 2011 01:55 GMT
#2811
Oh god ROFL.

I'm watching the debate now (busy last night).

First question about Iran's nuclear program has Cain dropping the "the first thing I would do is support the opposition movement in Iran" that wants to overthrow the government ahaha.

But then clarifies that doesn't mean military aid....oh Herman.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
November 14 2011 02:01 GMT
#2812
On November 14 2011 10:54 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 10:53 Kiarip wrote:
On November 14 2011 07:57 xDaunt wrote:
Wow, apparently Ron Paul got only 89 seconds of speaking time in a 90 minute debate. What the fuck is the point of inviting him if you're going to ask him questions? He's definitely not on that stage because of his good looks.


Naw, I'm pretty sure he got more time than that, if you're talking about the november 9th debate.


No, I'm talking about last night's debate.

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-gets-89-seconds-to-speak-in-cbs-debate/


oh my bad...
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 02:28:31
November 14 2011 02:11 GMT
#2813
Oh this is terrible.

GOP really went full retard for this election. Only Gingrich and Paul, maybe Romney and Huntsman, should be allowed to speak. Cain is a joke, Bachmann is a bimbo, Santorum is a troll, Perry is a hick...

"The table is being set for worldwide nuclear war against Israel"

the fuck woman, get off the stage.

Oh COME ON Gingrich, you had to make the "if the arab spring turns into an anti-Christian spring" comparison? Really? God forbid you say that the State department should do its best to ensure minority groups in those countries are not targeted, but no, you had to play the religion card.

I disagree with most of Ron Paul's platform but the man needs more time to speak.

Paul does well on torture point

ahaha "gets lonely over here in Siberia" when Huntsman gets a question, and Paul's whispered "tell me about it" was great
Suvorov
Profile Joined December 2010
294 Posts
November 14 2011 02:32 GMT
#2814
The theatrics of election. Let the people believe they are in a democracy so they won't revolt. Never ceases to amaze just how well acted this whole charade is.

I feel sorry for Ron - he's the only candidate with a working brain and no lobbying leeches in his ass - precisely because of this he will get media blocked all the way to oblivion. When the media purposely blocks the only candidate who's speaking the truth, that's when you gotta start worrying.

Best of luck to all my friends in the US =/
If you label every single aggressive strategy 'cheese', you are officially declaring yourself an incurable mental retard.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
November 14 2011 02:35 GMT
#2815
the republican nomination is turning from a race to an elimination challenge. who will be the person who doesn't self destruct before the RNC? frankly i don't know and i don't really care. i just find people self-destructing hilarious.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 02:39:56
November 14 2011 02:39 GMT
#2816
Gingrich imploding on the question about the guy killed in Oman (or yemen?)

ok he saved it somewhat
NtroP
Profile Joined July 2010
United States174 Posts
November 14 2011 02:41 GMT
#2817
They only gave him 89 seconds, because every debate he's allowed to speak in, he wins.
zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
November 14 2011 02:41 GMT
#2818
Ron Paul has still managed to gather monumental support with this "media blackout."

I think that eventually, people will finally understand what he's about and come to their senses. We've got another year to see how things play out.
psillypsybic!
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
November 14 2011 02:51 GMT
#2819
I don't mind the "start at zero" idea.

I just have a feeling the aid will end up pretty much the same once the dust settles
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 14 2011 02:51 GMT
#2820
On November 14 2011 11:39 Elegy wrote:
Gingrich imploding on the question about the guy killed in Oman (or yemen?)

ok he saved it somewhat


I thought his answer on that question was perfect.
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