EPTGirls using wealthy men to pay off student loans - Page 9
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OsoVega
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:59 SEA_GenesiS wrote: How is this not prostitution? How does she say that its not prostitution... Lol she exchanged sex for money. I know her intentions were er.. at the right place perhaps but still... You can't say thats not prostitution. Whats done is done In what particular way is this prostitution? Is it because it's loveless sex? Is it because both parties are using eachother? Is it because it's short-term? Is it because that guys is old enough to be my grandfather? Is it prostitution when a guy buys a woman at the bar some drinks, and she later sleeps with him? What about when a girl with no discernible talents, aside from her looks, marries a guy who makes a million a year, and spends the rest of her life pouring wine for him? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:47 sunprince wrote: "I don't like prostitution and anyone who disagrees with me is delusional." You're a fucking idiot. You haven't advanced a single argument that actually debates the issues. Stay out of the thread if you're just gonna demonize anyone who disagrees with your puritanical values. You actually agree with prostitution? It's so. So. It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing. No, more than that, that somehow people, specifically women, are wrong to oppose it. You paint them in an extremely negative light and try to imply that they're only doing it for their own selfish needs. Even if there's no cheating involved, it's still harder for women to find a husband if the guys have more attractive (and functionally cheaper) options available. The strongest opponents to prostitution are usually women, particularly older, married women. Likewise, these are the same groups who are most prone to engaging in slut-shaming as a form of social control, and are the most critical of stripping or younger girl/older men relationships. By contrast, younger women tend to have more positive views of both sex work or younger girls with older guys. Historically as well, slut-shaming has been primarily driven by other women, even if it's been enforced at times. The Victorian/Puritanical views our society holds on sex is primarily driven by women, not men. At least in America, the strongest opposition to prostitution, pornography, stripping, and the like disproportionately comes from older women. The idealistic view of this is that "mothers care more about protecting their daughters" or something like that, but again, there's a certain self-interest role here. Sorry if I can't give participate in a logical discussion to such an absurd claim. It's rationalizing such a bitter and spiteful view of "older married women" in America. | ||
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Riku
United States1064 Posts
While I agree it seems like it would often be glorified prostitution, I think that not every situation would be like that. However, I'm not sure what my stance on it is yet. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:04 Nightfall.589 wrote: The fuck? How is that analogous to this? They are directly paying them hundreds and thousands of dollars monthly to briefly hold a conversation with them and then fuck them. I could do literally the same with a prostitute, and im sure many of these girls purely fuck the guy and they dont have any pretense whatsoever. Its prostitution, I dont know if it falls under the legal semantics of prostitution, but its clear what it is. These girls are whores, plain and simple. In what particular way is this prostitution? Is it because it's loveless sex? Is it because both parties are using eachother? Is it because it's short-term? Is it because these guys are old enough to be my grandfathers? Is it prostitution when a guy buys a woman at the bar some drinks, and she later sleeps with him? | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:05 Gamegene wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2011 14:47 sunprince wrote: "I don't like prostitution and anyone who disagrees with me is delusional." You're a fucking idiot. You haven't advanced a single argument that actually debates the issues. Stay out of the thread if you're just gonna demonize anyone who disagrees with your puritanical values. You actually agree with prostitution? It's so. So. It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing. No, more than that, that somehow people, specifically women, are wrong to oppose it. You paint them in an extremely negative light and try to imply that they're only doing it for their own selfish needs. Even if there's no cheating involved, it's still harder for women to find a husband if the guys have more attractive (and functionally cheaper) options available. The strongest opponents to prostitution are usually women, particularly older, married women. Likewise, these are the same groups who are most prone to engaging in slut-shaming as a form of social control, and are the most critical of stripping or younger girl/older men relationships. By contrast, younger women tend to have more positive views of both sex work or younger girls with older guys. Historically as well, slut-shaming has been primarily driven by other women, even if it's been enforced at times. The Victorian/Puritanical views our society holds on sex is primarily driven by women, not men. At least in America, the strongest opposition to prostitution, pornography, stripping, and the like disproportionately comes from older women. The idealistic view of this is that "mothers care more about protecting their daughters" or something like that, but again, there's a certain self-interest role here. Sorry if I can't give participate in a logical discussion to such an absurd claim. It's rationalizing such a bitter and spiteful view of "older married women" in America. Prostitution is a very controversial topic. There are many people that view it as something that should be legal, and they have good reasons for it. | ||
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Swwww
Switzerland812 Posts
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:08 lizzard_warish wrote: The fuck? How is that analogous to this? They are directly paying them hundreds and thousands of dollars monthly to briefly hold a conversation with them and then fuck them. I could do literally the same with a prostitute, and im sure many of these girls purely fuck the guy and they dont have any pretense whatsoever. Its prostitution, I dont know if it falls under the legal semantics of prostitution, but its clear what it is. These girls are whores, plain and simple. Explain to me how all of the things I've listed above are not prostitution, and I may be inclined to agree with you. Seems pretty awful that people are forced into prostitution to pay for an education that will give them such a low level of employability in the end that they might even be tempted to continue their online activities in the future to pay the bills... Pretty sad thing to read really... Last I checked, they could always... You know... Pay off their student debt the same way that everybody else does. Nobody's forcing them into this. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:08 MrDudeMan wrote: Prostitution is a very controversial topic. There are many people that view it as something that should be legal, and they have good reasons for it. Fine. That's FINE. Perfectly fine. But it's just his attitude towards basically all married middle aged women that just baffles me completely. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:05 Gamegene wrote: You actually agree with prostitution? It's so. So. It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing. No, more than that, that somehow people, specifically women, are wrong to oppose it. You paint them in an extremely negative light and try to imply that they're only doing it for their own selfish needs. A: If something isn't good, it does not necessarily have to be evil. Day labor is not good or evil. Guns are not good or evil. Economies are not good or evil. There are plenty of jobs that can be considered neutral as well. B: This is a sign that your hatred of prostitution is axiomatic. This is not a good sign. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:05 Gamegene wrote: You actually agree with prostitution? It's so. So. It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing. No, more than that, that somehow people, specifically women, are wrong to oppose it. You paint them in an extremely negative light and try to imply that they're only doing it for their own selfish needs. Replace 'prostitution' with 'homosexuality', 'abortion', or 'interracial relationships' to see if you can spot your own fallacies. You still haven't given a single actual argument. Your 'logic' boils down to 'It should be obvious why prostition is wrong!" Well, guess what, you could say that about anything. Why don't you humor us and give some actual reasons. | ||
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Jragon
Australia1471 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:11 Malgrif wrote: While she does not label herself a prostitute, Suzanne's not one to mince words: "If this isn't what prostitution is called, I don't know what is." Yeah. I don't think you know what you're talking about either. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:05 Gamegene wrote: You actually agree with prostitution? It's so. So. It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing. No, more than that, that somehow people, specifically women, are wrong to oppose it. You paint them in an extremely negative light and try to imply that they're only doing it for their own selfish needs. Sorry if I can't give participate in a logical discussion to such an absurd claim. It's rationalizing such a bitter and spiteful view of "older married women" in America. What's wrong with prostitution? Seriously, what's wrong with it? Only people I know of that actually have an issue with the idea tend to be people with religious issues with it who can't give a good reason. If an adult is willing to have sex for cash, why not? Give me one logical reason why prostitution is wrong morally. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:10 acker wrote: A: If something isn't good, it does not necessarily have to be evil. Day labor is not good or evil. Guns are not good or evil. Economies are not good or evil. B: This is a good sign that your hatred of prostitution is axiomatic. Fine. Whatever. But come on. Are wome- No. Are families and couples really trying to do this out of self interests (so cynically)? | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:13 Gamegene wrote: Fine. Whatever. But come on. Are wome- No. Are families and couples really trying to do this out of self interests (so cynically)? I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'm merely responding to the bolded statement. The rest of the paragraph is less important compared to what I've bolded. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:09 Nightfall.589 wrote: Explain to me how all of the things I've listed above are not prostitution, and I may be inclined to agree with you. 1.Is it because it's loveless sex? 2.Is it because both parties are using eachother? 3.Is it because it's short-term? 4.Is it because these guys are old enough to be my grandfathers? 5.Is it prostitution when a guy buys a woman at the bar some drinks, and she later sleeps with him? I dont know how you think this is hard, I guess you live in some mythical land where the definition of prostitution is incredibly vague, perhaps not even heard of. Simply put, none of these situations constitute prostitution whatsoever and no real explanation is required. However you asked, and I'm a nice guy: 1) Loveless sex does not logically require you pay for sex, therefore it is not prostitution. 2) Manipulation does not logically require you pay for sex, therefore it is not prostitution. 3) Short term flings are not, by definition prostitution, some other variable must be applied [such as paying for sex!] 4) Age discrepancies in relationships are not necessarily prostitution and other variables must be applied to make it so [such as paying for sex!] 5) Buying a girl a drink in order to impress her into having sex with you is not prostitution, as buying the drink is in order to get her to like you, engage in sociable activities, and convince her to engage in free, non commodity based intercourse. Unlike prostitution. TLDR: Those 5 situations are not prostitution by the definition of prostitution and the definition of those words, unless further context is provided. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:13 Gamegene wrote: Fine. Whatever. But come on. Are wome- No. Are families and couples really trying to do this out of self interests (so cynically)? Not consciously, no. There's plenty of psychological and political science research that suggests that people unknowingly adopt positions that serve their own interests without realizing it. Simply put, people are more willing to accept and less critical of ideas that benefit them. An easy example is how the richer you are, the more likely you are to believe in trickle-down economics, and by contrast, the poorer you are, the more likely you are to believe that social security is a right. And no, it's not families and couples, because polls have shown that middle-aged married men actually disproportionately support prostitution. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:16 acker wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'm merely responding to the bolded statement. The rest of the paragraph is less important compared to what I've bolded. I guess my crazy ramblings have to do with this: Even if there's no cheating involved, it's still harder for women to find a husband if the guys have more attractive (and functionally cheaper) options available. The strongest opponents to prostitution are usually women, particularly older, married women. Likewise, these are the same groups who are most prone to engaging in slut-shaming as a form of social control, and are the most critical of stripping or younger girl/older men relationships. By contrast, younger women tend to have more positive views of both sex work or younger girls with older guys. Historically as well, slut-shaming has been primarily driven by other women, even if it's been enforced at times. The Victorian/Puritanical views our society holds on sex is primarily driven by women, not men. At least in America, the strongest opposition to prostitution, pornography, stripping, and the like disproportionately comes from older women. The idealistic view of this is that "mothers care more about protecting their daughters" or something like that, but again, there's a certain self-interest role here. I mean damn there's some arguments where you won't win no matter what you say, but this was just complete insanity. edit: fuck it. i realize now that this stance on women goes back to a morality spectrum of grey to gray and mine is far too white. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:18 lizzard_warish wrote: TLDR: Those 5 situations are not prostitution by the definition of prostitution and the definition of those words, unless further context is provided. What about the final case? Marrying someone for the money? | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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